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Food stamps: should illegal immigrants get free food?

Food stamps: should illegal immigrants get free food?

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    Votes: 7 12.5%

  • No food stamps for illegal immigrants

    Votes: 39 69.6%

  • Yes, give food stamps to illegal immigrants

    Votes: 10 17.9%
  • Total voters
    56
  • Poll closed .
weaver2 said:
Let's pretend BahamaBob (indicating familiarity with the Bahamas ...not the usual hangout of the working poor) that for a moment you you are a 40 year old paper maker in Millinocket, Maine. You are a highly experienced and skilled technical worker operating a very complex 75 foot long machine that makes paper at the rate of 35 miles of paper an hour . You earn upwards of $80 thousand a year, have 2 kids, a paid off a 4 bedroom home on 1.5 acres and a little primitive 3 bedroom camp on Boyd Lake. Your extended family has lived here for 4 generations.


Great Northern Nekoosha declares bankruptcy, closes the mill which was making a profit (it's complicated but it's legal), given 2 weeks warning, without the legal 2 month's severance pay and left town with your pension, which they can do if they declare bankruptcy.

You find two temporary jobs 85 miles away in Bangor. Together they pay half of what you were earning and your wife finds a local job at minimum wage. Fortunately your truck is a late model, the house is paid off, you've sold the camp , you have some savings and you're trying to sell your home so you can move to where there are jobs.. You are making it for the first year and a half. Then one of the temp jobs folds and the truck needs major repairs. The wife's local job folds because the economy in Millinocket is tanking. You've reduced your $150,000 home to $75,000 but nobody is buying anything in Millinocket.

You've gotten all the support from retired parents that they can afford, maxed out the credit card and there are no prospects for another job any time soon. This exact same story is being repeated in all paper and wood products industries, coal mining, small manufacturing plants and all the satellite businesses that depended on or supplied the basic industries.

Finally you can't hold it together any longer and apply for support, but in order to get it you can't have combined assets greater than $45,000. The truck's worth about $1500 and the house isn't selling at $75,000 and probably won't sell at $45,000.

Nobody in this depressed economy is buying trucks or houses.

Now for the logic part: how does it make any sense to require a family to sell a paid off home and live in a rental unit or sell a vehicle when the nearest jobs are 85 miles away.

Do you really think making a family homeless and unable to get to work is an incentive to work harder?
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If only there was some way for them to transport themselves to a different location.... :thinking


Agreeing that the scenario you've laid out is pretty ugly (and what if the person gets cancer! and what if their daughter gets cancer? and what if they all get AIDS AND CANCER!?!?!), the family in here has two basic options:

1. Remain where they (apparently) will not be able to support themselves.
2. Move to where they can.

I understand the ties-to-the-land, but nobody owes you a paper factory or it's financial equivalent within convenient range of the dirt you feel emotionally attached to.
 
weaver2 said:
"While critics still like to use old arguments of rampant abuse to lambast a program that feeds millions of Americans, the fraud rate has decreased from “about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent” by 2006.
And this decline has only continued, with the 3.5% rate of fraud in 2012 reducing to less than 1.5% today." (from Time Magazine 2017)

Forbes disagrees "How much did fraud grow? It jumped to $592.7 million in 2016, up a staggering 61% from $367.1 million in 2012". However, the problem I mentioned was not fraud it was what was allowed. Why should individuals be allowed to withdraw money from an ATM from a SNAP card? Starbucks, KFC, Taco Bell is that how the program is sold or meant to operate?





Most food support goes to working families whose wages are kept artificially low by Republicans who will not vote to raise the minimum wage. The biggest deterrent for obtaining a better job is not lack of education and job skills. It has to do with the demographics of job loss in extractive and manufacturing industries in rural areas. You don't know a thing about these people. I do. I lived in rural Maine for 46 years and I know a thing or two about extractive industries and paper mills. These people are not living on the dole and most are working two and sometimes three jobs to keep their families and homes together after the industries left and took their pensions with them.


Wow, who'd a thunk it, 44 million people lost their manufacturing jobs in rural areas. Save your BS, anyone working 2 or 3 jobs is not living in poverty. Beyond that this blog concerns immigrants. The number of immigrants working in paper mills in Maine would not fill a thimble.

Food pantries are not everywhere especially not in poor rural areas where the job loss is greatest. I'm guessing that someone who wants to make sure that the working poor are incentivized by denying support for them is probably not spending their days doing charitable work. And of all the ethnic groups alcoholism is lowest among Hispanics.
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News flash, the unemployment numbers in rural areas are not much different than urban areas. News flash 2, anyone who moved from Central America knows how to move. They can move to areas were employment is available. News flash 3, just because you do charity work does not mean you have to make excuses for them. I know you libs like to feel superior to the poor and believe in lots of support unless you have to pay for it yourself or lend a hand, however some of us are interested in actually helping those who need help and telling those who are milking the system to F off.

On alcoholism, studies show different. The biggest binge-drinkers, are Hispanics, at 25 percent, closely followed by 24.8 percent of Caucasians, 24.1 percent of multiracials, 19.8 percent of African Americans, and 11.1 percent of Asians.

Making up your own facts does not work. You should try using the truth.
 
weaver2 said:
"While critics still like to use old arguments of rampant abuse to lambast a program that feeds millions of Americans, the fraud rate has decreased from “about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent” by 2006.
And this decline has only continued, with the 3.5% rate of fraud in 2012 reducing to less than 1.5% today." (from Time Magazine 2017)







Most food support goes to working families whose wages are kept artificially low by Republicans who will not vote to raise the minimum wage. The biggest deterrent for obtaining a better job is not lack of education and job skills. It has to do with the demographics of job loss in extractive and manufacturing industries in rural areas. You don't know a thing about these people. I do. I lived in rural Maine for 46 years and I know a thing or two about extractive industries and paper mills. These people are not living on the dole and most are working two and sometimes three jobs to keep their families and homes together after the industries left and took their pensions with them.




Food pantries are not everywhere especially not in poor rural areas where the job loss is greatest. I'm guessing that someone who wants to make sure that the working poor are incentivized by denying support for them is probably not spending their days doing charitable work. And of all the ethnic groups alcoholism is lowest among Hispanics.
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weaver2 said:
Let's pretend BahamaBob (indicating familiarity with the Bahamas ...not the usual hangout of the working poor) that for a moment you you are a 40 year old paper maker in Millinocket, Maine. You are a highly experienced and skilled technical worker operating a very complex 75 foot long machine that makes paper at the rate of 35 miles of paper an hour . You earn upwards of $80 thousand a year, have 2 kids, a paid off a 4 bedroom home on 1.5 acres and a little primitive 3 bedroom camp on Boyd Lake. Your extended family has lived here for 4 generations.


Great Northern Nekoosha declares bankruptcy, closes the mill which was making a profit (it's complicated but it's legal), given 2 weeks warning, without the legal 2 month's severance pay and left town with your pension, which they can do if they declare bankruptcy.

You find two temporary jobs 85 miles away in Bangor. Together they pay half of what you were earning and your wife finds a local job at minimum wage. Fortunately your truck is a late model, the house is paid off, you've sold the camp , you have some savings and you're trying to sell your home so you can move to where there are jobs.. You are making it for the first year and a half. Then one of the temp jobs folds and the truck needs major repairs. The wife's local job folds because the economy in Millinocket is tanking. You've reduced your $150,000 home to $75,000 but nobody is buying anything in Millinocket.

You've gotten all the support from retired parents that they can afford, maxed out the credit card and there are no prospects for another job any time soon. This exact same story is being repeated in all paper and wood products industries, coal mining, small manufacturing plants and all the satellite businesses that depended on or supplied the basic industries.

Finally you can't hold it together any longer and apply for support, but in order to get it you can't have combined assets greater than $45,000. The truck's worth about $1500 and the house isn't selling at $75,000 and probably won't sell at $45,000.

Nobody in this depressed economy is buying trucks or houses.

Now for the logic part: how does it make any sense to require a family to sell a paid off home and live in a rental unit or sell a vehicle when the nearest jobs are 85 miles away.

Do you really think making a family homeless and unable to get to work is an incentive to work harder?
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Gee cry me a river with your BS.
Maine/Unemployment rate
3.2% (Jun 2019)

Plenty of jobs in Maine. The paper mills would also still be working except the Democrat controlled EPA forced them out of business.
 
You don't fall on a sword.

Deuce said:
If you can’t help everyone, you should help no one? Is that your assertion?

Why can’t I flip the question around to you? You claim to care about, say, homeless American veterans. But there are children starving in Africa right now! You monster!
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You're right about the EPA, but you're just being harsh. Pay rates in Maine suck. I would take a gig in Maine in a heartbeat, but I'm not working for half price.

BahamaBob said:
Gee cry me a river with your BS.
Maine/Unemployment rate
3.2% (Jun 2019)

Plenty of jobs in Maine. The paper mills would also still be working except the Democrat controlled EPA forced them out of business.
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weaver2 said:
"While critics still like to use old arguments of rampant abuse to lambast a program that feeds millions of Americans, the fraud rate has decreased from “about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent” by 2006.
And this decline has only continued, with the 3.5% rate of fraud in 2012 reducing to less than 1.5% today." (from Time Magazine 2017)







Most food support goes to working families whose wages are kept artificially low by Republicans who will not vote to raise the minimum wage. The biggest deterrent for obtaining a better job is not lack of education and job skills. It has to do with the demographics of job loss in extractive and manufacturing industries in rural areas. You don't know a thing about these people. I do. I lived in rural Maine for 46 years and I know a thing or two about extractive industries and paper mills. These people are not living on the dole and most are working two and sometimes three jobs to keep their families and homes together after the industries left and took their pensions with them.




Food pantries are not everywhere especially not in poor rural areas where the job loss is greatest. I'm guessing that someone who wants to make sure that the working poor are incentivized by denying support for them is probably not spending their days doing charitable work. And of all the ethnic groups alcoholism is lowest among Hispanics.
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SDET said:
You're right about the EPA, but you're just being harsh. Pay rates in Maine suck. I would take a gig in Maine in a heartbeat, but I'm not working for half price.
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I've never been to Maine. I know they have great lobsters and have heard that at times crickets on the highway make it slick as ice. I am a warm weather guy, I would not fit in there.
 
weaver2 said:
I posted the official summary of the EO from the Federal Register at post # 21. I'm aware that Trump is talking about SNAP Just in case you missed it here it is again.



Under the existing law states are allowed flexibility in determining who gets aid. This has resulted in some states doing the following:
1. instituting a program of automatic sign up for all benefit if the receive a non-monetary federal or state benefit. Automatic sign up was to avoid the complicated application process and the extended wait time between application and delivery of aid.
2. raising cut off level of asset ownership in applying for aid so that the working poor don't have to sell homes or cars in order to get temporary assistance.
3. raising the cut off level of family income in applying for school lunches so more kids are eligible for reduced cost for school lunch .

The cost of using the flexibility of the program to increase support is paid for by the state making the changes. This state support for the working poor for some reason infuriates conservatives and Trump's EO is meant to make sure one more obstacle is put in their way of trying to work out of poverty.

It must make the working poor very proud that they are helping Trump save your tax money.
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At one point in my life I was one of those "working poor" you speak of (although they didn't call us that back then). Then I started making smarter choices and eventually got out of debt and never went back. Where I live now I personally know people who describe themselves as "poor" who own Apple Phones, Apple watches, Apple computers (which in case you didn't know are not cheap). They drive cars that are expensive by my standards, take trips that I would never spend the money on.

You don't see much real poverty in the USA. I have seen it up close and personal in places like Appalachia, where poor people were made poorer by the policies of Barack Obama in the name of "global warming". I did some mission work there a few years ago. Yet people like you will get in my face all day with that "but Trump" crap.

I would rather give real poor people money out of my own pocket (and I have) that turn it over to a wasteful government that hasn't been able to manage money since I was born.
 
it's just me said:
At one point in my life I was one of those "working poor" you speak of (although they didn't call us that back then). Then I started making smarter choices and eventually got out of debt and never went back. Where I live now I personally know people who describe themselves as "poor" who own Apple Phones, Apple watches, Apple computers (which in case you didn't know are not cheap). They drive cars that are expensive by my standards, take trips that I would never spend the money on.

You don't see much real poverty in the USA. I have seen it up close and personal in places like Appalachia, where poor people were made poorer by the policies of Barack Obama in the name of "global warming". I did some mission work there a few years ago. Yet people like you will get in my face all day with that "but Trump" crap.

I would rather give real poor people money out of my own pocket (and I have) that turn it over to a wasteful government that hasn't been able to manage money since I was born.
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Deuce said:
If you can’t help everyone, you should help no one? Is that your assertion?

Why can’t I flip the question around to you? You claim to care about, say, homeless American veterans. But there are children starving in Africa right now! You monster!
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Fair argument but I will try put another spin on it. It truly pains me that millions of kids,both in inner urban cities and rural areas live not only in poverty but also in fear for their lives.

While as Warren Buffett has said we Americans won the vagina lottery. That we is were born in America so we get to live better than 95% of the world. In a nation as bountiful as ours, I want ALL of OUR kids to have a safe and hunger free life. Also I have no problem with foreign aid to feed other of the world's poor. I would not give special treatment to those who break our laws as that just encourages others to do the same.

Would any of us find it OK if for example India which has approximately 300 million of their lowest caste decided to fly those people to the Mexican border. For the price of a plane ticket those folks would have a place to live,free healthcare and better food than they could imagine for life. That is one example. I am sure you could easily add 50-100 nations to the list. Really not sure why this has not been done yet.
 
SDET said:
It's a travesty that we are keeping out productive people that play by the rules in favor of unproductive people who don't play by the rules. Office buildings in Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia and Brazil are full of people that would love to contribute to the USA economy. Coming to the USA illegally doesn't even cross their mind.
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Not sure how your reply had anything to do with making sure people get food to avoid starvation.....I hate to break it to you but every nation needs unskilled labor willing to work for peanuts in a market driven capitalist system where the worker has no power and the boss runs everything. You want to make working in a meat packing plant a good job again? Unionize it. You want to make picking strawberries in 100 degree sun an attractive option for "real" Americans? Unionize it. You want to make low skilled jobs attractive options for people? Unions, laws, penalties, oversight....then maybe, just maybe your son or daughter might say "gee, I could go get a degree but that job picking strawberries is a really good career path". You think this will ever happen in this era of right wing corporate hegemony? I got a bridge to sell ya...
 
Back in the day, jailbirds and ex-cons did those jobs. Now they stay unemployed and become repeat offenders.

Vadinho said:
Not sure how your reply had anything to do with making sure people get food to avoid starvation.....I hate to break it to you but every nation needs unskilled labor willing to work for peanuts in a market driven capitalist system where the worker has no power and the boss runs everything. You want to make working in a meat packing plant a good job again? Unionize it. You want to make picking strawberries in 100 degree sun an attractive option for "real" Americans? Unionize it. You want to make low skilled jobs attractive options for people? Unions, laws, penalties, oversight....then maybe, just maybe your son or daughter might say "gee, I could go get a degree but that job picking strawberries is a really good career path". You think this will ever happen in this era of right wing corporate hegemony? I got a bridge to sell ya...
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Integrityrespec said:
If they illegally crossed the border to get into the country and then applied for asylum to circumvent the immigration laws we should find a way to deport them. They have already passed up opportunities to seek asylum in Mexico If they are coming from the southern triangle. Our immigration laws are in bad shape and we need to fix them. We cannot take care of everyone.
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BahamaBob said:
I've never been to Maine. I know they have great lobsters and have heard that at times crickets on the highway make it slick as ice. I am a warm weather guy, I would not fit in there.
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Crickets??? Never happened.
 
swing_voter said:
Food stamps: should illegal immigrants get free food?

So the Trump administration passed a rule that illegal immigrants, non-citizens, can't get food stamps. This is free food handed out by the government.

Do you agree with this?
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They should not get food stamps. They should be fed on their way out of the country. If they are here illegally they should be banned from returning unless they turn themselves in or leave voluntarily. If we have to spend my tax dollars hunting them down then good buy for good. We don't need any more lawless people in our country. Especially when their are 10's of millions of law abiding people waiting to come here. People who respect our laws and the people of this country. Law abiding immigrants make America great lawless losers destroy our country like they did their own.
 
SDET said:
Back in the day, jailbirds and ex-cons did those jobs. Now they stay unemployed and become repeat offenders.
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I am very familiar with the usage of prisoners for forced labor. It was one of the main drivers in the South post-reconstruction for Jim Crow laws. Make it a crime to stand around, turn them into prisoners, sell their labor to the big boss of the county or state and bam, same deal as slavery without having to feed them. Worked great for about 100 years, then we had the civil rights movement. You might want to look that up some day.
 
Integrityrespec said:
If they illegally crossed the border to get into the country and then applied for asylum to circumvent the immigration laws we should find a way to deport them. They have already passed up opportunities to seek asylum in Mexico If they are coming from the southern triangle. Our immigration laws are in bad shape and we need to fix them. We cannot take care of everyone.
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cpwill said:
If only there was some way for them to transport themselves to a different location.... :thinking


Agreeing that the scenario you've laid out is pretty ugly (and what if the person gets cancer! and what if their daughter gets cancer? and what if they all get AIDS AND CANCER!?!?!), the family in here has two basic options:

1. Remain where they (apparently) will not be able to support themselves.
2. Move to where they can.

I understand the ties-to-the-land, but nobody owes you a paper factory or it's financial equivalent within convenient range of the dirt you feel emotionally attached to.
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My post didn't concern illegal immigrants because Trump's EO effects American citizens and legal immigrants. The current law will not give aid to people with big assets like a home or expensive vehicle. However, the current law allows states flexibility in interpreting eligibility for aid. Some states have used that flexibility to allowed people to keep homes and cars and still get aid. Trump's EO will stop that flexibility. Citizens and legal immigrants will be required to give up assets in order to get aid.

A poster agreed with Trump that people with assets should have to give them up in order to receive aid. The poster felt that giving people aid keeps them from wanting to work their way out of poverty. The scenario I described, which is unfortunately too true, was to show that most families needing help were working families, not welfare cheats, and taking away their housing and means of getting to work would only make it harder to work their way out of poverty.

This same scenario is being repeated in the coal mining areas of Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia and Pennsylvania; in the steel manufacturing areas surrounding the coal mining areas; in paper making areas of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, New York, Michigan, Wisconsin, and in the wood products manufacturing areas in most of the southern states. All of theses people worked hard and paid taxes. Taxes support aid. Why deny them aid they've paid for?

How about a 3rd and a 4th option.
3. Remain where they are get temporary help until they get trained for or find another job.
4. Pay moving costs to places where there is work instead of paying aid.
 
Integrityrespec said:
If they illegally crossed the border to get into the country and then applied for asylum to circumvent the immigration laws we should find a way to deport them. They have already passed up opportunities to seek asylum in Mexico If they are coming from the southern triangle. Our immigration laws are in bad shape and we need to fix them. We cannot take care of everyone.
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BahamaBob said:
News flash, the unemployment numbers in rural areas are not much different than urban areas. News flash 2, anyone who moved from Central America knows how to move. They can move to areas were employment is available. News flash 3, just because you do charity work does not mean you have to make excuses for them. or lend a hand, however some of us are interested in actually helping those who need help and telling those who are milking the system to F off.

On alcoholism, studies show different. The biggest binge-drinkers, are Hispanics, at 25 percent, closely followed by 24.8 percent of Caucasians, 24.1 percent of multiracials, 19.8 percent of African Americans, and 11.1 percent of Asians.

Making up your own facts does not work. You should try using the truth.
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I have not made up facts. I corrected the statement about alcoholism in post #83

"I know you libs like to feel superior to the poor and believe in lots of support unless you have to pay for it yourself " Now who is making up facts?

I'm pretty sure it would be illegal for American citizens to move in US in the same way asylum seekers and immigrants(legal and illegal) are moving around in Central American and Mexico. If you know differently I'd be interested in hearing about it.

No the unemployment rate in small towns/rural America is higher than in urban areas, and the jobs being offered are at much lower wages. I gave a very realistic example of working two jobs and and still being eligible for aid of some kind.
 
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But many poor families include a mix of non-legal residents and legal ones, such as children who have citizenship because they were born in the U.S. In those cases, it is often an adult who is not a legal resident who submits the application.

About 3.9 million citizen children living with noncitizen parents received food stamps in the 2015 fiscal year, the most recent available data, according to the Department of Agriculture, which administers the food stamp program.

Are 43 Percent of All Food Stamps 'Given to Illegals'?


That's a real good reason to have an anchor baby if you and your wife are illegal. Your kid is a citizen and qualifies for food stamps.

I don't know whether or not the illegal parents of an American citizen also get food stamps. I would imagine so.

So when they say 39% of food stamps go to illegal immigrants, they aren't too far off.
 
Integrityrespec said:
If they illegally crossed the border to get into the country and then applied for asylum to circumvent the immigration laws we should find a way to deport them. They have already passed up opportunities to seek asylum in Mexico If they are coming from the southern triangle. Our immigration laws are in bad shape and we need to fix them. We cannot take care of everyone.
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swing_voter said:
But many poor families include a mix of non-legal residents and legal ones, such as children who have citizenship because they were born in the U.S. In those cases, it is often an adult who is not a legal resident who submits the application.

About 3.9 million citizen children living with noncitizen parents received food stamps in the 2015 fiscal year, the most recent available data, according to the Department of Agriculture, which administers the food stamp program.

Are 43 Percent of All Food Stamps 'Given to Illegals'?


That's a real good reason to have an anchor baby if you and your wife are illegal. Your kid is a citizen and qualifies for food stamps.

I don't know whether or not the illegal parents of an American citizen also get food stamps. I would imagine so.

So when they say 39% of food stamps go to illegal immigrants, they aren't too far off.
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Where did you get the figure "39% of all food stamps go to illegal immigrants" ?

The Associated Press Analysis of Census Data says that 8.8% of all those receiving food assistance are noncitizen immigrants.

There are approximately 42M SNAP recipients in the US. 8.8% of 42M is about 3.6M recipients that are illegal. However illegal parents may legally apply for aid for their US born child, so part of that 8.8% are legally entitled to federal food aid. That's quite a bit less than 39%.
 
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Giving food aid to immigrants is just not one of our nations big expenses.

The unintended consequences of denying food aid are malnourished children. Brain development continues until children are about 18 to 20 years old. There is no surer way of lowering the IQ of children than poor or lacking nutrition.

Saving money by denying food aid to children means a population of less capable adults that will probably need government assistance during their lifetimes. Which costs more: food aid for 18 years or housing, job and food assistance for the rest of of a persons life?
 
weaver2 said:
Where did you get the figure "39% of all food stamps go to illegal immigrants" ?

The Associated Press Analysis of Census Data says that 8.8% of all those receiving food assistance are noncitizen immigrants.

There are approximately 42M SNAP recipients in the US. 8.8% of 42M is about 3.6M recipients that are illegal. However illegal parents may legally apply for aid for their US born child, so part of that 8.8% are legally entitled to federal food aid. That's quite a bit less than 39%.
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and 'noncitizen immigrants" does not necessarily mean illegals. The portion of illegals has to be less than that 8.8%.
 
weaver2 said:
This ruling has nothing to do with illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are not getting food stamps.

This ruling cuts food stamps and other aid to citizens, American citizens, born-in-the-USA American-citizens, not only that most of them are working and white and they pay taxes.

It also effects legal immigrants. Immigrants that have all the legal paper work that says they have a right to be here. Not only do they have the right to be here they are legally working here and paying their taxes just like the born here American citizens.
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Illegal aliens can get foodstamps if they have children born in the US.Illegal aliens can also get WIC. Illegal aliens can get foodstamps if the food stamp office isn't checking.

Legal immigrants shouldn't be on welfare,foodstamps and other aid. Those we let in should be self sufficient, not a burden to Americans.
 
swing_voter said:
Food stamps: should illegal immigrants get free food?

So the Trump administration passed a rule that illegal immigrants, non-citizens, can't get food stamps. This is free food handed out by the government.

Do you agree with this?
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Undocumented migrants aka illegal aliens are not eligible for SNAP.

Only U.S. citizens and certain lawfully-present non-citizens may receive SNAP benefits
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swing_voter said:
Food stamps: should illegal immigrants get free food?

So the Trump administration passed a rule that illegal immigrants, non-citizens, can't get food stamps. This is free food handed out by the government.

Do you agree with this?
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Illegal immigrants were not entitled to Food Stamps before Trump. He did nothing to change that. This isn't an issue.

Fact Sheet: Immigrants and Public Benefits - National Immigration Forum

I love how Trump takes credit for, and people give him credit, stuff he has nothing to do with (like low black unemployment) . We really need a better informed electorate so they don't fall for this stuff.
 
swing_voter said:
Food stamps: should illegal immigrants get free food?

So the Trump administration passed a rule that illegal immigrants, non-citizens, can't get food stamps. This is free food handed out by the government.

Do you agree with this?
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No need for government hand outs using tax paying citizens money to feed them. (tax money mandated by law)

People donate their money because they want to help feed the poor. (peoples money voluntarily given)

25 Organizations Dedicated to Fight Hunger | raptim

Roseann:)
 
BahamaBob said:
Keep drinking the Kool-aid but here are the facts.
In 2013, Robert Rector and Jason Richwine of The Heritage Foundation
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Bwahahahahahaha!!! The Heritage Foundation? You try and tell me I'm drinking Kool-Aid then you turn around an cite a Kool-Aid Factory? Do you even know what the Heritage Foundation is? It's a right wing propaganda think tank.

The CBO on the other hand which is what I cited is specifically designed to be as non-partisan as you can get.
 
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