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Global warming, how much to reverse it?

Global warming, how much to reverse it?

  • replace coal and gas powerplants with nuclear.

    Votes: 7 29.2%
  • install solar and wind turbines

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • shut down concrete factories

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • stop eating beef and reforest grazing lands

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • 1 child policy

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • replace cars, trucks with electric vehicles

    Votes: 5 20.8%
  • replace cargo ships and tankers with electric

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • carbon tax, the more CO2 you put out, the more tax

    Votes: 7 29.2%
  • other

    Votes: 15 62.5%

  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .

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Global warming, how much to reverse it?

(my second shot at trying to beat the 5 minute timer)

Mark all the things we'd have to do to reverse global warming.

If you have another idea, mark "other" and put what it is in the comments.
 
Fee and dividend, plus climate engineering. The world has been too slow to adapt to the climate crisis, and we will need climate engineering to buy us time while we transition to clean, renewable energy.
 
Global warming, how much to reverse it?

(my second shot at trying to beat the 5 minute timer)

Mark all the things we'd have to do to reverse global warming.

If you have another idea, mark "other" and put what it is in the comments.

I chose another option. None.
 
Global warming is not really a problem, but we do have two very real problems,
Energy and Fresh Water.
We simply do not have enough naturally stored hydrocarbon energy to allow everyone alive currently
to live a first world life style if they wanted to, for very long.
The supply vs demand will quickly push the price of oil, beyond it's use for fuel,
but in tandem with that, we need a replacement that is equally as capable of carrying energy as hydrocarbon fuels.
 
Iceland has already lost a major glacier. Even starting today, the inertia from the warming already in the system will melt all the remaining ones.
 
Fee and dividend, plus climate engineering. The world has been too slow to adapt to the climate crisis, and we will need climate engineering to buy us time while we transition to clean, renewable energy.

Manufactured crisis
 
Assuming mankind is the problem, we'd have to move back into caves. I'll sacrifice and let liberals move first, so they can have all the good ones (caves). :mrgreen:
 
Global warming, how much to reverse it?

(my second shot at trying to beat the 5 minute timer)

Mark all the things we'd have to do to reverse global warming.

If you have another idea, mark "other" and put what it is in the comments.
Nice move, in allowing multiple choices! :thumbs:

I'm a firm believer in using taxes to accomplish goals. Taxes modify behaviors aggregate, while increasing revenue and still allowing free choice. All wins, in my opinion!
 
Iceland has already lost a major glacier. Even starting today, the inertia from the warming already in the system will melt all the remaining ones.

The metaphor listings will have to update the phrase, “ moves at the speed of a glacier!”
 
I'm a firm believer in using taxes to accomplish goals. Taxes modify behaviors aggregate, while increasing revenue and still allowing free choice. All wins, in my opinion!

Yes, Taxes can be weaponized to effect behavior changes.

We've been doing it in California for over a decade!!

"The power to tax is the power to destroy." - John Marshall
 
Yes, Taxes can be weaponized to effect behavior changes.

We've been doing it in California for over a decade!!

"The power to tax is the power to destroy." - John Marshall
That's the whole idea. To influence behaviour, while still allowing free choice. And it has the boon of generating revenue. Like I said, all wins.
 
Global warming, how much to reverse it?

(my second shot at trying to beat the 5 minute timer)

Mark all the things we'd have to do to reverse global warming.

If you have another idea, mark "other" and put what it is in the comments.

This presumes that :
- AGW is real
- that humans have the power to modify this on a global scale
- that the results would be desirable



Iceland has already lost a major glacier. Even starting today, the inertia from the warming already in the system will melt all the remaining ones.

Inertia? Certainly you mean something else. Inertia relates to momentum it has no application in thermodynamics.


Assuming mankind is the problem, we'd have to move back into caves. I'll sacrifice and let liberals move first, so they can have all the good ones (caves). :mrgreen:

That would still be unacceptable, in order to survive in caves requires fire, and that is adding heat AND co2 therefore it will also be banned sooner or later.
 
Almost all options listed are Band-Aids to correct conditions caused by another factor, over population. Nature has always had ways to adjust for this, pandemics. We are over due and with such a large population now able to travel all over the world in a day it can spread at a rate never before seen. Once the population is severely reduced the all the other options will stop being needed and "global warming" will cease.
 
In my opinion, presuming we wish to halt and hopefully reverse global warming AND maintain our present high standard of living, we would need to do the following:

1) We must incentivize the building of new nuclear power stations to replace hydrocarbon-based power. Wind generators and solar power simply does not have the output right now to meet our energy needs.
2) We must encourage innovation of carbon-neutral technologies through the use of a carbon tax.
3) We must encourage the ending of massive carbon emitting meat and dairy factory farms. While I am not arguing people need to go totally vegetarian or vegan, farm-to-table meat production from local free-range farms and butcheries needs to be encouraged (socially, not through law) over the factory farm model. We can still enjoy our barbecues, and steaks, and bacon, and fried chicken, but the higher cost concurrent with higher quality (both of the meat and the quality of life for the animals) means we will have to cut down on our total meat consumption.
 
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I'm a firm believer in using taxes to accomplish goals. Taxes modify behaviors aggregate, while increasing revenue and still allowing free choice. All wins, in my opinion!

All win except for the taxpayer.
 
Other- Our descent into the next ice age.
 
Almost all options listed are Band-Aids to correct conditions caused by another factor, over population. Nature has always had ways to adjust for this, pandemics. We are over due and with such a large population now able to travel all over the world in a day it can spread at a rate never before seen. Once the population is severely reduced the all the other options will stop being needed and "global warming" will cease.
I think we can solve our energy problem without a massive die off, but it will take some changes in reference thinking.
Batteries are simple energy storage devices, but not the only way to store energy.
Nature has evolved a very good method, hydrocarbons, and we already have most of the infrastructure in place to utilize
such storage. Wind and solar power generate massive seasonal surpluses of energy, and as we add capacity, the surpluses
will only grow. Storing the surplus energy as carbon neutral hydrocarbon fuels, would allow us to move spring surplus to summer cooling,
and provide fuel for transport needs, with existing infrastructure.
Most refineries already have large electrical grid connections, and could be retooled to make fuel from atmospheric CO2, hydrogen from water,
and electricity. What we need from our government is the foresight to visualize a path to the future, and encourage solar power.
First up would be to fix and unify home generator grid connection laws.
They could also spend some money and improve marketing for solar panels.
The actual fuel will have to wait until it becomes economically viable, but that should not take long.
Europe could likely do something now, but cutting the fuel taxes on carbon neutral fuels.
The important thing is that all of this is technologically possible now, not the several decades it would take for
us to build out the electric car infrastructure, and for large numbers of people to start driving electric cars.
If we work out all the details, we can then market it to other countries.
 
Global warming, how much to reverse it?

(my second shot at trying to beat the 5 minute timer)

Mark all the things we'd have to do to reverse global warming.

If you have another idea, mark "other" and put what it is in the comments.

As much as the warmers tell you. :lamo
 
Iceland has already lost a major glacier. Even starting today, the inertia from the warming already in the system will melt all the remaining ones.

And this is important because........?????????

Technically we are still in an inter-glacial period of the last ice age.....this is why we have ice at the poles (which through the eons is not the norm)

Seriously...what a bunch of hooey!!!

Since our species crawled from the primordial ooze around 300,000 years ago we have lived through vast changes in climate....really hot....really cold....over and over!!!

The fact is that cold periods have always been far harder on the humans and have always corresponded to large die offs of the human population.......hot periods have always corresponded with increases in population and expansions of civilization.

From around 1300 AD to the mid 1800 the sun was in a solar minimum....global temperatures dropped causing crops to fail and millions starved to death......right now we seems to be heading into another solar minimum (Maunder minimum). Since 2015 we have had snow in places like the Sahara desert and Hawaii.....both of which lay between the tropic of cancer and the tropic of Capricorn...that's the freaking tropics!!!

Snow in the tropics!!! Global cooling???......... Now that's something to be panicked about! Global warming??? (YAWN)

The fact is there are REAL ecological problems we need to deal with.......deforestation.....millions of tons of plastic floating in the oceans.......frankly things waaay more important than temperature!
 
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Concrete manufacturing plants put out a hell of a lot of CO2. I'm not sure about the chemistry.

Read where if the Chinese manufacture of concrete were a country, it would be the number 1 producer of CO2 in the world.

Beef production is another big producer of CO2, and chopping down forests for range land doesn't help either.
 
What global warming? This summer been the mildest I can remember. I hope we don't get a lot of snow this winter like we did last winter.
 
Global warming, how much to reverse it?

(my second shot at trying to beat the 5 minute timer)

Mark all the things we'd have to do to reverse global warming.

If you have another idea, mark "other" and put what it is in the comments.

We can't stop global warming, no matter what we do. That's the point. The left want to destroy the planet to save the planet, not realizing that the planet can't be saved in the first place. By the way, carbon capture technology is the way to go.
 
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