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Can Bernie get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

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    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Not very likely

    Votes: 27 93.1%

  • Maybe, a 50/50 chance

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • All of Bernie's programs will pass

    Votes: 1 3.4%
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    29
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Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
 
Unlikely.
 
Unlikely, the rhetoric out on the campaign trail to literally buy a vote is meaningless in getting Congress to agree to all these things.
 
Even if we retake the Senate, which is a long shot, a President Bernie Sanders would get very little done legislatively. Despite being a career politician, just three of his sponsored bills have made it into law. Three.

But that doesn't matter to some factions within the Democratic base, who refuse to understand the value of underpromising and overdelivering. Sanders does the reverse.
 
His big ticket policies are very unlikely to pass, but things like increasing taxes on the wealthy, universal childcare, and some increase in the minimum wage could pass. He is very useful in an inspirational sense, but he is further to the left than every Democrat.
 
Not likely. He would need a Roosevelt scenario to do it. While I do think it's somewhat likely that the gamblers will wreck the economy just like they do during most trickle down hangovers, I don't think that it will have the political impact of the Great Depression. At best, he might get us a couple steps closer to single payer. However, I truly doubt that he'll be the nominee.
 
Not only unlikely but darn near 0% chance. Congress critters rely on campaign cash and now get plenty from the medical care industry - mandated reductions in total medical care spending are 100% incompatible with maintaining large amounts of campaign cash from the medical care industry flowing into the pockets of congress critters.

Both DoD and SNAP are single-payer (federal government funded) systems, yet neither DoD nor SNAP demands that their payees are public or non-profit 'providers'. The congress critters gladly pay full retail plus profit prices because a very profitable industry (getting public cash tossed its way) is much more likely to donate large sums to congress critters to keep those public funds (going directly to them) increasing annually.
 
swing_voter said:
Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
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I dont think sanders is gonna survive the primary

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MrPeanut said:
His big ticket policies are very unlikely to pass, but things like increasing taxes on the wealthy, universal childcare, and some increase in the minimum wage could pass. He is very useful in an inspirational sense, but he is further to the left than every Democrat.
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He's kook is what he is and even in the remotest of chances he did get elected....wiser heads would prevail and little if any of his radical agenda would ever make it into law....
 
swing_voter said:
Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
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He would have trouble getting even moderate Democrats on board.
 
Better question. If any of those ****ing clowns running for president from the rat party actually believed in any of the **** they are saying now...why haven't they been actively seeking legislation prior to their candidacy?
 
No chance. The costs alone would kill the bills.
 
swing_voter said:
Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
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Probably not in their top line format, but to be honest, I doubt whether he actually thinks he can get every last thing he wants.

These things will obviously see mutation and compromise through the legislative process.

When you negotiate competently, you generally start high and go down from there, unlike Obama who started off asking for half a loaf (at best) and got crumbs.
 
swing_voter said:
Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
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I think the results of this poll clearly show how delusional Bernie's supporters are. I don't understand why those on the extreme fringe spend their lives fighting for something they know will never come to pass. It's like they believe that if they keep up the fight, then maybe, just maybe, in 200 years those seeds will bear fruit after we are all dead and buried. And they don't seem to realize we will all be dead from climate change long before Bernie's policies could be fulfilled. After all, we've only got 12 years left before the climate gets us all.
 
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Roadvirus said:
No chance. The costs alone would kill the bills.
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It is really the funding mechanism. His and Warren's free college plan requires states to pay a third of the cost of tuition. That didn't work with medicaid expansion too well when the feds were picking up 90% of the cost. State kick ins for tuition vary wildly by state as is. Bernie's own state is one of the worst dead beat states compared to some states like North Carolina which surprisingly kicks in a comparative mint.
 
Surrealistik said:
Probably not in their top line format, but to be honest, I doubt whether he actually thinks he can get every last thing he wants.

These things will obviously see mutation and compromise through the legislative process.

When you negotiate competently, you generally start high and go down from there, unlike Obama who started off asking for half a loaf (at best) and got crumbs.
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Which is why all the screaming and screeching about "OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!" is just noise from hysterical bedwetters.
Best case scenario we get to regulate health insurance better, we get to pass laws that put some limits on how badly Big Pharma can screw you for lifesaving drugs, we get a public option and a little more help for those who got handed the big screw through no fault of their own, health wise.

Re education: Best case scenario, more subsidies for tuition for means tested kids with demonstrable grades and ambition but no money. Maybe if we are very lucky - - bankruptcy protection for student loans if you can prove that you are unable to pay without being forced into a cardboard box.

Other stuff: Best case scenario - we get to unwind some of the damage Twumpy has done to agencies tasked with protecting us, we get to heal the damage he has done with regard to foreign policy.

All these are "best case scenarios"...your mileage may vary.
But America is not ever going to "turn socialist".

Oh yeah, maybe some 21st Century version of New Deal infrastructure projects that will help everybody in the long run. For instance, it might be nice if our internet speeds matched South Korea's.
For SK, 200 mbps is considered glacially slow.
Better support for alternative energy, electric cars...clean up some of the worst environmental problems...
 
swing_voter said:
Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
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Even if everyone can get a college education, that would simply mean the minimum requirement to work at McDonald's would be a four year degree.

Do we really want to spend more time learning for nothing?
 
swing_voter said:
Can Bernie, if elected president, get free health care, free college, etc through congress?

Say he gets a 2 seat majority in the Senate and like a 20 seat majority in the house?

How likely do you think it is that he'll get the biggest government program ever through congress?
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Of course not. It's asinine to propose with the deficits we have.

What he can get is TRump reelected with this garbage.
 
No real chance in hell at this point.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Even if everyone can get a college education, that would simply mean the minimum requirement to work at McDonald's would be a four year degree.

Do we really want to spend more time learning for nothing?
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Education costs need a completely different approach.

The present system of sending men and wemn out into teh world with such debt is as insane as paying for everyone's college out of general revenue.
 
noonereal said:
Education costs need a completely different approach.

The present system of sending men and wemn out into teh world with such debt is as insane as paying for everyone's college out of general revenue.
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Yes, the democrats in power love having an increased population asking for their help. It's an almost guaranteed way to have future democrat voters.

Keep the people enslaved, and lie to them about being the solution...
 
When your party has no real platform, the only way to obtain votes is to buy them. Lemmings always run to the free stuff.
 
noonereal said:
Education costs need a completely different approach.

The present system of sending men and wemn out into teh world with such debt is as insane as paying for everyone's college out of general revenue.
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Allow student loans to be bankrupted on. Get the government out of the student loan game. Let it be a private lenders market only. Those 2 things see tuition fall through the floor. Puts skin in the game for lenders and educational institutes. Lenders wont lend to a colleges students that default on loans.
 
Lucky 1 said:
He's kook is what he is and even in the remotest of chances he did get elected....wiser heads would prevail and little if any of his radical agenda would ever make it into law....
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I would hedge my bets on that statement if I was you. Never say never when it comes to stupid hairless monkeys and their even dumber ideas.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Which is why all the screaming and screeching about "OMG TEH SOCIALISMZ!!!" is just noise from hysterical bedwetters.
Best case scenario we get to regulate health insurance better, we get to pass laws that put some limits on how badly Big Pharma can screw you for lifesaving drugs, we get a public option and a little more help for those who got handed the big screw through no fault of their own, health wise.

Re education: Best case scenario, more subsidies for tuition for means tested kids with demonstrable grades and ambition but no money. Maybe if we are very lucky - - bankruptcy protection for student loans if you can prove that you are unable to pay without being forced into a cardboard box.

Other stuff: Best case scenario - we get to unwind some of the damage Twumpy has done to agencies tasked with protecting us, we get to heal the damage he has done with regard to foreign policy.

All these are "best case scenarios"...your mileage may vary.
But America is not ever going to "turn socialist".

Oh yeah, maybe some 21st Century version of New Deal infrastructure projects that will help everybody in the long run. For instance, it might be nice if our internet speeds matched South Korea's.
For SK, 200 mbps is considered glacially slow.
Better support for alternative energy, electric cars...clean up some of the worst environmental problems...
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That sounds like the anemic sort of outcomes we'd get with a Biden presidency, not a Sanders one; and certainly not one with a Senate majority.
 
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