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ICE raids on Mississippi food processing plants result in 680 arrests

Agreed.

Make it next to impossible for them to gain employment. they will self-deport.

Most of the jobs they have now are largely seasonal. Construction, landscaping, hospitalits even is largely seasonal.

They used to go home in the off season. Then we locked down the border and they started staying because they wouldn't be able to come back.

So we kinda created the problem we are seeing today ham fistedly trying to address the problem.

The donor class doesn't want the problem addressed. If they did it would have been dealt with long ago.

They don't want it addressed because it would cut off their cheap labor, and eliminate the general wage suppression they cause. They would also lose their scapegoats for wage stagnation.

So I seriously doubt we'll see real efforts to go after employers.
 
Well, I'm gonna say that if there are any natural rights then providing your children with a better life is one of them.

I could see that falling under Pursuit of Happiness.

However, just like your rights to self defense, to be protected from search and seizure, etc.; your rights are limited by the rights of others; and when you break the law, the ability to exercise those rights are taken away from you.

Further, if those who employ them get a pass or just a fine then I don't think the laws you are talking about are being applied equally. In fact, breaking the same laws for profit should be sanctioned more severely than breaking them just trying to make a better life for your children.

Illegally entering the country is a different law than hiring (assuming purposefully) those who have done so, so, both would have to fall under the particular law they have broken. And "trying to make a better life for your children" could equally apply to both actors, both of whom are attempting to increase income in order to do so.
 
SS needs to talk to Facebook or Google to get one of their algorithms.

Because there's no reason that 600 people can use the same SS number except that nobody wants anybody to look.

Illegals are perfect for the donor class:

Cheap labor.

General wage depression due to the above.

Perfect scapegoats for wage stagnation.

Get rid of all of them and profits will plummet as wages will go up.

Which is why nobody even talks bad about employers.

Agree with all of the above, but you forgot to mention another issue: illegals also provide an ongoing reason to stir up the masses of sheep who vote for the GOP when it's time for elections so that the preferred politicians favored by the donors will remain in office (and of course will posture a lot but will do absolutely nothing to REALLY eliminate illegal immigration, and will certainly do absolutely nothing against employers).

The existence of illegal immigration is very convenient for and helpful to the GOP, but we know that when anything is proposed to really solve the problem, even if it is proposed by GOP senators (like Marco Rubio and John McCain tried), these senators will be labelled RINOs and their ideas will be shut down. By the way, illegal immigration is convenient for the Democratic Party as well, which will also use it for political gain, and will hope that the US citizens who have relatives south of the border will vote for the Dems, and new eligible voting citizens will join the ranks (e.g. the US born children of illegal aliens, when they reach voting age). So the bottom line is that illegal immigration is convenient for both parties (although, due to different reasons) so neither party does anything to actually solve the problem.

I stand left of center in the political spectrum but I am decisively against illegal immigration. But precisely because I'm TRULY against it (rather than merely posturing about it to score partisan points), I'm against focusing on a wall. Why? Because a wall is expensive and ineffective, can and will be defeated, and doesn't attack the root of the problem. I'd rather invest that amount of money (including the amount needed for ongoing maintenance of a wall, which groups like the drug cartels would make a point of constantly damaging just as a matter of spite) on the enforcement of existing labor laws; would hire and equip, with that money, an army of labor auditors and inspectors, to enforce the laws against the employers who knowingly and willingly hire illegal aliens (would also beef up those laws and the consequences for breaking them).

If we just build a wall and don't go after employers, this is what will happen:

Given that the job offers will continue, illegals will manage to defeat the wall anyway. People smugglers will just get more creative with ladders, tunnels, small planes, balloons, boats, etc., not to forget, people will just continue to pour in through legal checkpoints even with valid documentation (such as, will obtain visas but will then overstay the visas). Anyway, this will certainly make returning to Mexico and countries south of it, after seasonal working, more difficult and more expensive (although as I said still possible) so those seasonal workers who normally leave and don't want to settle here permanently, will just stay.

From the Mexican side of the wall which we can't patrol, drug cartels will bring the wall down in various remote points (for example, with bombs). The wall will need to be constantly repaired.

I'd have nothing against a wall (especially in certain more problematic areas) if labor laws got 100% enforced and employers were 100% severely penalized. If that truly happened and there was still money left (and illegal immigration still remained to a certain degree), then, sure, why not ALSO have a wall? But to start with and focus on a wall is just stupid and ineffective.
 
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Link please! ;-)

Link me to Obese Donald's tax returns, then I can figure this "probably" out. It would'nt be hard to come to an estimate on taxes paid in by those 680 workers. But there is absolutely no way of knowing what Obese Donald has paid, if anything?
 
Link me to Obese Donald's tax returns, then I can figure this "probably" out. It would'nt be hard to come to an estimate on taxes paid in by those 680 workers. But there is absolutely no way of knowing what Obese Donald has paid, if anything?

So, your answer to my question is: I have no link! Go it! LOL :roll:
 
So, your answer to my question is: I have no link! Go it! LOL :roll:

I never said I did. Never even intimated such. Do you not undersrand what speculation is? Did the word "probably" which I used once, in a speculative manner, and then quoted as a speculation, not clue you in? Do you need to study up on your reading comprehension skills before engaging here, perhaps?
 
I never said I did. Never even intimated such. Do you not undersrand what speculation is? Did the word "probably" which I used once, in a speculative manner, and then quoted as a speculation, not clue you in? Do you need to study up on your reading comprehension skills before engaging here, perhaps?

Glad to see you admit that your statement was not based on facts, but instead on your speculation. Apparently we have that settled. :lol: Carry on...
 
Glad to see you admit that your statement was not based on facts, but instead on your speculation. Apparently we hav.e that settled. :lol: Carry on...

Duh...that "admission" was implicit in my original post. Anyone with a lick of reading comprehension ability already understood that. They didn't need to be dragged to that understanding the way I had to drag you there.
:doh :lamo :2wave:
 
But thanks for the by your leave to "carry on". I was going to do that anyway, but it is always nice to have support from another in my efforts.
:2wave:
 
But thanks for the by your leave to "carry on". I was going to do that anyway, but it is always nice to have support from another in my efforts.
:2wave:

I aim to please..
 
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It is great to finally see a post where everyone agrees. Everyone agrees on the main points.
1. Illegals need to be rounded up and sent home.
2. People who illegally employ them need to be punished.
3. When the illegals leave they need to take their kids with them.
 
How many times has Trump gone after the employers?

LOL. Can't give Trump any credit for anything, can you? Do you want him to do this across the board from now on? I can't stand it when someone criticizes Trump for something they didn't want in the first place.
 
LOL. Can't give Trump any credit for anything, can you? Do you want him to do this across the board from now on? I can't stand it when someone criticizes Trump for something they didn't want in the first place.

Is the reason that - once again - you failed to answer my question because you don't know the answer or because you know the answer will not support your assertion?
 
Have any of the Koch staff or the owner been charged yet?
 
So the though of 680 families being torn apart gives you the warm and fuzzies?

How about stop having so damn many kids you can't afford.
 
When the police arrest a murderer, or a rapist or a bank robber why doesn't the news show their crying children?
 
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