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What to do about the mass shootings in the US

What do we do about mass shootings in the US?

  • Ban US citizens from owning any firearm - confiscate those already purchased

    Votes: 7 5.7%

  • Ban US citizens from owning certain kinds of firearms (explain)

    Votes: 21 17.1%

  • Don't ban firearms at all

    Votes: 23 18.7%

  • Institutionalize the violent and mentally ill

    Votes: 29 23.6%

  • Something else

    Votes: 71 57.7%
  • Total voters
    123
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We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.
 
My seven year old granddaughter told me they had a drill in her public school where the girls from her class took refuge in a girls bathroom for "a long time" and some of the girls argued that they should stand on the toilets to fool the gunman who might look in.

When is enough enough?

Look - to all the right wing whack jobs out there - you are NOT going to go to war against the government someday so stick your excuses about needing your big firepower where the sun does not shine.


I for one have had it and all the lame excuses don't hold water anymore.
 
haymarket said:
My seven year old granddaughter told me they had a drill in her public school where the girls from her class took refuge in a girls bathroom for "a long time" and some of the girls argued that they should stand on the toilets to fool the gunman who might look in.

When is enough enough?
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I agree. I'm sick of having frightened kids in my classroom.

Look - to all the right wing whack jobs out there - you are NOT going to go to war against the government someday so stick your excuses about needing your big firepower where the sun does not shine.
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You realize there are people on both sides that hate the government, right? This isn't just a "right-wing" problem.

I for one have had it and all the lame excuses don't hold water anymore.
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Solution?
 
Josie said:
I agree. I'm sick of having frightened kids in my classroom.



You realize there are people on both sides that hate the government, right? This isn't just a "right-wing" problem.



Solution?
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For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.
 
Josie said:
We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.
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The biggest breakdown leading up to what we see now is not firearms, or video games, or mental healthcare, it is the destruction of the traditional family, and I do not mean one mother one father family, but the actual traditional multi generational family. In much of the world and still practiced in europe asia south america etc the family unit consists of large multi generational families.

In much of the world homelessness mental illness poverty etc are deemed family problems with the families duty to take care of their own. Here the family unit seems to focus on on spouse and children, and even then to a lazy to care much about that. How many mass shooters would be mass shooters if family intervention existed, or had people care enough to notice a problem insead of ignoring it until it boils down to suicide or even a mass murder.
 
Josie said:
We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.
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Single-payer healthcare would make mental health care more accessible to millions of people. People need to be able to talk to a therapist about their issues with society, rather than let their resentments boil over into these atrocities.
 
We need proper leadership to begin a national dialogue that does not devolve into crazed threats that the Constitution is being trampled or simplistic thinking that simply banning weapons will cure the problem.

We need leaders who will state that the problem is a disgraceful blemish on our country and values.

We need leaders who will decry the fact that young people are being politicized and isolated on some internet sites, being literally brain washed to hate, and to kill to attain notoriety.

I'm not seeing anyone step up yet.
 
Josie said:
We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.
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There was at one time a ban on assault weapons but is expired. I think we need to do that ban again. Although that will not completely solve the problem it would be a help
 
Something else...lock up the few sane people left to protect them from all the crazies...then let 'em have at it til they kill one another off...voila...:2razz:
 
JMR said:
We need leaders who will state that the problem is a disgraceful blemish on our country and values.
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This is pretty big, humans are social creatures and respond to social pressure.
 
One problem is that we don't know who is "violently mentally ill" until he or she takes violent action.

And I hope that nobody reading this is willing to sacrifice freedom for security in the form of a Minority Report society.

Because this sick man remains alive, we can hope that much will be learned.
 
More guns, obviously is the answer. Arm those school children and watch 20 kids pull on a single perp...BAM! 2nd Amendment **** yeah! Old ladies that can't see, give'em shotguns, they don't need accuracy, **** yeah GUNS!
-2nd Amendment, can't take them away, may as well arm everyone. If any cop uses any weapon to stop any highly armored/armoed perp, no matter the training or hoops they have to jump through to be authorized to fire it in public...the average citizen should ALSO have a right to that same weapon...hellzzz yeah! I hear Russia joined forces with the NRA to support gun rights in Russia...how cool is that? Guns uniting the world!!

JMR said:
I'm not seeing anyone step up yet.
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They step up on that third rail and get fried, is why.
 
Mass shootings make up a small sliver of murders in the US.

Mother Jones has collected a database of mass shootings in the US. In 2018, there was a total of 80 deaths from the mass shootins listed.
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2019: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

In 2017, the FBI reported 17,284 homicides in the US.
FBI — Murder

The year 2018 actually reported a drop which means that the number is likely smaller than for 2017.
U.S. Murder Rate for 2018 Is on Track for a Big Drop - The New York Times

In other words, if you really want to persuade someone using logic on this issue to support increased gun legislation, you're best off not relying on mass shootings.
 
nota bene said:
One problem is that we don't know who is "violently mentally ill" until he or she takes violent action.
And I hope that nobody reading this is willing to sacrifice freedom for security in the form of a Minority Report society.
Because this sick man remains alive, we can hope that much will be learned.
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Nota, they already use things that approach being able to know what you will do using psychometrics. Remember the Cambridge whistle blower? Do you think he was making that up? So they get you to vote a certain way, or feel a certain way, or buy a certain product....that's all fine...but stopping someone from being murdered....oh no! Nota bene draws the line at stopping murder! Come on, think that through.

If we knew with sufficiently high probability person X was going to kill someone tomorrow, and instead we put them in rehabilitation that was genuinely interested in his health outcome being positive, that would be a tragedy in your eyes? But the murder...not a tragedy?

I think you're wrong, and i think if you think about it, you'll agree. If you know a family member who is unstable, and you know from your close and love-driven ties to them they are at the tipping point, does Nota Bene:
1. ignore it because freedom!
2. intervene because you love them.

Come on, I know you'll do the right thing.
 
I do think criminalizing possession of certain weapons may be necessary.

Certain weapons kill more efficiently than other ones.

If any mass shooter who bought an AR-15 had the option of potentially killing more with a fully auto AK-47, you think he would go with the AK-47 or the AR-15?
 
Mach said:
Nota, they already use things that approach being able to know what you will do using psychometrics. Remember the Cambridge whistle blower? Do you think he was making that up? So they get you to vote a certain way, or feel a certain way, or buy a certain product....that's all fine...but stopping someone from being murdered....oh no! Nota bene draws the line at stopping murder! Come on, think that through.

If we knew with sufficiently high probability person X was going to kill someone tomorrow, and instead we put them in rehabilitation that was genuinely interested in his health outcome being positive, that would be a tragedy in your eyes? But the murder...not a tragedy?

I think you're wrong, and i think if you think about it, you'll agree. If you know a family member who is unstable, and you know from your close and love-driven ties to them they are at the tipping point, does Nota Bene:
1. ignore it because freedom!
2. intervene because you love them.

Come on, I know you'll do the right thing.
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I speak from personal experience...taking action for a mentally ill family member who is possibly a danger to himself or others takes an act of congress to get help for him...
 
No one would argue that our parents or grandparents grew up fearing a mass shooting, because they simply didn't occur on a regular basis a scant 30-40 years ago. They were exceptionally rare. Rather than addressing what has changed in society to create levels of discontent and malevolence in the hearts of many, we look for the quick fix; ban guns, prescribe antidepressants to any child who differs from the norm, demand sweeping censorship of the internet, etc. We want to do as little as possible when it comes to really getting at the root cause, and instead look for the most convenient solution possible, which ensures that these types of shooters will continue to slip through the cracks.
 
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No one would argue that our parents or grandparents grew up fearing a mass shooting, because they simply didn't occur on a regular basis a scant 30-40 years ago. They were exceptionally rare. Rather than addressing what has changed in society to create levels of discontent and malevolence in the hearts of many, we look for the quick fix; ban guns, prescribe antidepressants to any child who differs from the norm, demand sweeping censorship of the internet, etc. We want to do as little as possible when it comes to really getting at the root cause, and instead look for the most convenient solution possible, which ensures that these types of shooters will continue to slip through the cracks.
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Exactly...band aid effects do no good until the root of the problem is addressed...WHY?
 
truthatallcost said:
No one would argue that our parents or grandparents grew up fearing a mass shooting, because they simply didn't occur on a regular basis a scant 30-40 years ago. They were exceptionally rare. Rather than addressing what has changed in society to create levels of discontent and malevolence in the hearts of many, we look for the quick fix; ban guns, prescribe antidepressants to any child who differs from the norm, demand sweeping censorship of the internet, etc. We want to do as little as possible when it comes to really getting at the root cause, and instead look for the most convenient solution possible, which ensures that these types of shooters will continue to slip through the cracks.
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Is this a call for an end to capitalism?
 
Mach said:
Nota, they already use things that approach being able to know what you will do using psychometrics. Remember the Cambridge whistle blower? Do you think he was making that up? So they get you to vote a certain way, or feel a certain way, or buy a certain product....that's all fine...but stopping someone from being murdered....oh no! Nota bene draws the line at stopping murder! Come on, think that through.

If we knew with sufficiently high probability person X was going to kill someone tomorrow, and instead we put them in rehabilitation that was genuinely interested in his health outcome being positive, that would be a tragedy in your eyes? But the murder...not a tragedy?

I think you're wrong, and i think if you think about it, you'll agree. If you know a family member who is unstable, and you know from your close and love-driven ties to them they are at the tipping point, does Nota Bene:
1. ignore it because freedom!
2. intervene because you love them.

Come on, I know you'll do the right thing.
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I think not making your posts so personal is the right thing.
 
Josie said:
We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.
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I highly doubt anything will happen or change. And if Congress tried, which they won’t, Moscow Mitch wouldn’t allow a vote
 
Josie said:
We're all tired of them - we all want them to stop.

So what should we do to stop them? This is a multiple-choice, public poll. Please add any other comments in the thread.
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There is absolutely nothing that can be done.
People have been killing each other since the beginning of time.
 
haymarket said:
For the last few years it has largely been a domestic radical right wing problem. I know of very incidents with American leftists committing these mass murders.

Solution? We need a society where guns are vilified and hated and very very rare despite being legal. No other way around it. We have to drastically reduce the number of firearms in this country and greatly restrict their use.

Nothing else will be as effective.
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You couldn’t be more wrong. People will always find a way to kill, we should be looking at why they are killing.

Unless you want to look forward to these headlines

Japan knife attack: At least 19 dead - CNN
 
haymarket said:
My seven year old granddaughter told me they had a drill in her public school where the girls from her class took refuge in a girls bathroom for "a long time" and some of the girls argued that they should stand on the toilets to fool the gunman who might look in.

When is enough enough?

Look - to all the right wing whack jobs out there - you are NOT going to go to war against the government someday so stick your excuses about needing your big firepower where the sun does not shine.


I for one have had it and all the lame excuses don't hold water anymore.
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Going to war against the government, more like wanting a civil war. The white supremacists have been waiting on a race war forever. I don’t see conservatives going to war against the government or a race war. As for a civil war fantasy, that’s more dangerous. That’s fantasizing and being ready to kill other Americans
 
SheWolf said:
I highly doubt anything will happen or change. And if Congress tried, which they won’t, Moscow Mitch wouldn’t allow a vote
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The is no congressional vote that will void the constitution so keep whining and name calling because it’s super helpful
 
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