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Does Trump Hate America?

Because of his MAGA slogan, does Trump hate america?


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LOL! Debate? Democrats don't debate, they whine, they distort, they lie, but they don't debate. Debate requires backing up your premise with fact not opinion and emotional outcrys. When the facts don't match the democrats go to "my truth", which we all know is code for "I'm starting to lie and distort now."

LOL! Debate? Supporters of fascism don't debate; they whine, they distort, they lie, but they don't debate. Debate requires backing up your premise with facts, not opinions and emotional outcries. When the facts don't match, the supporters of fascism go to "alternative facts," which we all know is code for "I'm starting to lie and distort now."
 
I think Trump loves America. He is heavily invested and makes a ton of money here.

You must separate the actions from the rhetoric.

His real accomplishments are he got a tax cut for the rich(himself included) and corporations and he has rolled back a ton of regulations with his crazy appointments. Now that is what you would expect from the republican elites.

Everything else is just rhetoric. Plays well to his base though.
 
Since the beginning, Trump's slogan has been 'Make American Great Again.' That is basically saying that Trump-- at some point--didn't believe that America was great. That it had lost its greatness. That it was lost and failing. That it basically sucked ass. Because of this, I cannot help but believe that Trump hates America. That is the only logical conclusion in my view. What do you say?

President Trump saw an America struggling with an ACA that wasn't working for them, the highest percentage of people not participating in the work force in more than a half century, millions of Americans who were employed only because they were making do with lower paying part time jobs, our borders being overrun with illegals, an anti-business government that had sidelined or sheltered offshore trillions of dollars in operating and venture capital, the U.S. economy in peril from places like China and India who were acting unethically to hurt us and help themselves that had caused us to lose most of our manufacturing base, crushing unnecessary regulation, seriously uneven trade agreements with pretty much everybody even as we were expected to provide military security for other countries at our expense while they did not pay their fair share and even presumed to disrespect us. Etc.

Make America Great Again was a pro-active initiative to turn as much of that around and actually fix the problems as much as possible. And he has accomplished progress on that and kept campaign promises as no President in my life time has done.

I think the President loves America and Americans--all Americans--with genuine passion and perspective. And I think he has earned a second term that supports his new slogan Keep American Great.
 
The economy was fantastic under Obama? ???? That is literally the funniest and most absurd thing I've heard in the last month!

The economy was abysmal under Obama!


Since I have been told that lefties have no idea how to debate I though I would find actual graphs. I dunno... looks the same to me... so far. Tell me where it's abysmal since I am told that lefties do not know how to debate.

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President Trump saw an America struggling with an ACA that wasn't working for them, the highest percentage of people not participating in the work force in more than a half century, millions of Americans who were employed only because they were making do with lower paying part time jobs, our borders being overrun with illegals, an anti-business government that had sidelined or sheltered offshore trillions of dollars in operating and venture capital, the U.S. economy in peril from places like China and India who were acting unethically to hurt us and help themselves that had caused us to lose most of our manufacturing base, crushing unnecessary regulation, seriously uneven trade agreements with pretty much everybody even as we were expected to provide military security for other countries at our expense while they did not pay their fair share and even presumed to disrespect us. Etc.

Make America Great Again was a pro-active initiative to turn as much of that around and actually fix the problems as much as possible. And he has accomplished progress on that and kept campaign promises as no President in my life time has done.

I think the President loves America and Americans--all Americans--with genuine passion and perspective. And I think he has earned a second term that supports his new slogan Keep American Great.

That is a whole different debate. I welcome you to see the economy numbers charts that I posted where it seems he's riding the wave.
 
So why do you harshly judge others who are critical of the US? Is it because you're biased?

Of course I'm biased. Everyone is biased. But I don't "harshly" judge others and I frequently present the reasons for my judgment. I also do not spin.

The same cannot be said for you, as I pointed out in #32.
 
Because Trump like many people looked at the decline in our economic strength, our decline in military strenght and our cowering to foreign nations as losing. Making America great again means a return to strength and looking at what has happened, he got it correct. Best economy in decades and best military, not to mention job growth and dealing with rogue nations. Winning is fun, fun, fun.
But the economy was fantastic under Obama.


Wasn't fantastic.

Well, it was fantastic in comparison to what Bush left him. But it wasn't fantastic. It was solid, with some issues.



Isn't fantastic now. It is still mostly solid, but still with some issues, some of those issues directly caused by Trump. That's why the the stock market is up now -- because the Fed has all but promised significant interest rate cuts to deal with the weakening economy and with the negative effects of Trump's trade wars.


Trump supporters bragging about the Dow hitting 27,000 are bragging about the wealthiest investors making a profit off of bad economic news for the rest of us. (And many of the rest of us are Trump voters in states hardest hit by the tariffs, so Trump is trying to get their mind off that. Could help explain his current xenophobic rants.)
 
That is a whole different debate. I welcome you to see the economy numbers charts that I posted where it seems he's riding the wave.

It is not another debate at all. It directly responds to the opening question in the OP. And I get really really tired of the same old assigned talking point, i.e. anything good that happened in the Obama Administration is Obama's doing, but everything bad or under par was George W. Bush's fault. And now anything bad that happens in the Trump Administration is Trump's doing but everything good that is happening, Obama made it happen.

President Trump turned around a stalled, stagnant economy in which labor participation was decreasing, family incomes were decreasing, and unemployment among blacks, Hispanics, etc. remained unacceptably high.

Now the unemployment numbers among blacks, Hispanics, women, youth, hardcore unemployable, etc. have dropped to historic or near historic lows and continue to tick downward. Trillions of sidelined operating and venture capital has been put back to work in the economy and wages and family wealth is increasing at a healthy rate again. Our manufacturing base is growing again instead of persistently shrinking. Millions have dropped off the SNAP program as they no longer need it. Despite record numbers of baby boomers retiring these days, the labor participation rate ticked up last month for the first time in a long time.

You can find pluses and minuses in any Administration. Obama deserves the credit where he got it right and it was on his watch when things went wrong. But the fact is President Trump has done an excellent job with the economy and he deserves all the credit for that any President deserves. In many ways America has become great again. There is still much to be done, but the President has only been at it for 2-1/2 years. He has made mistakes and will no doubt continue to do so. But given an honest chance, I think his instincts and ability to address solutions for real problems will produce some very good things.
 
Trump can only appreciate being born in the United States into a very wealthy family, but he does not 'love' the United States. He doesn't hate it either because this man has no real ideology. He doesn't have any ideology about race or gays, he doesn't have any ideology regarding illegal immigration.

For many years, Trump has constructed his own special ideology and that is, whatever works for Trump to make him richer or more powerful, he's all for it. Trump is an empty vessel without strong positive instincts. His instincts have been bred into him by his father Fred. Money, power, control. People will claim racism is at his core, it's not. What's at his core is remaining in the spotlight as long as possible. Good press, bad press -- it doesn't matter to him as long as he's the center of attention. He has to project racism, xenophobia, homophobia just because he knows his base and he knows that's what will keep his base solid. So, that's his ideology if you can call it that.
 
Of course I'm biased. Everyone is biased. But I don't "harshly" judge others and I frequently present the reasons for my judgment. I also do not spin.

The same cannot be said for you, as I pointed out in #32.

So you think Trump has too harshly judged anthem kneelers and the 4 congresswomen who he says hate America?
 
It is not another debate at all. It directly responds to the opening question in the OP. And I get really really tired of the same old assigned talking point, i.e. anything good that happened in the Obama Administration is Obama's doing, but everything bad or under par was George W. Bush's fault. And now anything bad that happens in the Trump Administration is Trump's doing but everything good that is happening, Obama made it happen.

President Trump turned around a stalled, stagnant economy in which labor participation was decreasing, family incomes were decreasing, and unemployment among blacks, Hispanics, etc. remained unacceptably high.

Now the unemployment numbers among blacks, Hispanics, women, youth, hardcore unemployable, etc. have dropped to historic or near historic lows and continue to tick downward. Trillions of sidelined operating and venture capital has been put back to work in the economy and wages and family wealth is increasing at a healthy rate again. Our manufacturing base is growing again instead of persistently shrinking. Millions have dropped off the SNAP program as they no longer need it. Despite record numbers of baby boomers retiring these days, the labor participation rate ticked up last month for the first time in a long time.

You can find pluses and minuses in any Administration. Obama deserves the credit where he got it right and it was on his watch when things went wrong. But the fact is President Trump has done an excellent job with the economy and he deserves all the credit for that any President deserves. In many ways America has become great again. There is still much to be done, but the President has only been at it for 2-1/2 years. He has made mistakes and will no doubt continue to do so. But given an honest chance, I think his instincts and ability to address solutions for real problems will produce some very good things.

See post #57. Trump is riding the wave (a wave that I don't think Obama deserves sole credit for creating). There's basically no difference.
 
President Trump saw an America struggling with an ACA that wasn't working for them, the highest percentage of people not participating in the work force in more than a half century, millions of Americans who were employed only because they were making do with lower paying part time jobs, our borders being overrun with illegals, an anti-business government that had sidelined or sheltered offshore trillions of dollars in operating and venture capital, the U.S. economy in peril from places like China and India who were acting unethically to hurt us and help themselves that had caused us to lose most of our manufacturing base, crushing unnecessary regulation, seriously uneven trade agreements with pretty much everybody even as we were expected to provide military security for other countries at our expense while they did not pay their fair share and even presumed to disrespect us. Etc.

Make America Great Again was a pro-active initiative to turn as much of that around and actually fix the problems as much as possible. And he has accomplished progress on that and kept campaign promises as no President in my life time has done.

I think the President loves America and Americans--all Americans--with genuine passion and perspective. And I think he has earned a second term that supports his new slogan Keep American Great.

Making America Russia Instead.
 
Trump loves his country just like he loves his children even when they misbehave. He knows they can be better. He knows that they can be great! It pains him if he see's them not performing up to their capabilities because he's seen them at their best before.
 
No...he hasn't.

And you call me biased... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Trump criticizes the US = Perfectly fine by you.

People on the left who criticize the US = America haters.


Shame on you.
 
Since the beginning, Trump's slogan has been 'Make American Great Again.' That is basically saying that Trump-- at some point--didn't believe that America was great. That it had lost its greatness. That it was lost and failing. That it basically sucked ass. Because of this, I cannot help but believe that Trump hates America. That is the only logical conclusion in my view. What do you say?

Trump sees himself as America. Thus Trump loves any of the aspects of the country that he identifies with him, and hates all aspects of the country that don't.
 
Trump loves his country just like he loves his children even when they misbehave. He knows they can be better. He knows that they can be great! It pains him if he see's them not performing up to their capabilities because he's seen them at their best before.

Trump by his own admission was largely uninvolved in the raising of his own children.
 
Trump loves his country just like he loves his children even when they misbehave. He knows they can be better. He knows that they can be great! It pains him if he see's them not performing up to their capabilities because he's seen them at their best before.

Mussolini didn't hate Italy either.

He wanted Italy to be a fascist state and he succeeded.

Mussolini was happy for his family, children, country. It was the Western democracies that turned it upside down on him. Rightly so. Inevitably so. Unavoidably.
 
And you call me biased... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Trump criticizes the US = Perfectly fine by you.

People on the left who criticize the US = America haters.


Shame on you.

There you go again...

Trump did not criticize the US. Trump criticized people.
 
It is not another debate at all. It directly responds to the opening question in the OP. And I get really really tired of the same old assigned talking point, i.e. anything good that happened in the Obama Administration is Obama's doing, but everything bad or under par was George W. Bush's fault. And now anything bad that happens in the Trump Administration is Trump's doing but everything good that is happening, Obama made it happen.

President Trump turned around a stalled, stagnant economy in which labor participation was decreasing, family incomes were decreasing, and unemployment among blacks, Hispanics, etc. remained unacceptably high.

Now the unemployment numbers among blacks, Hispanics, women, youth, hardcore unemployable, etc. have dropped to historic or near historic lows and continue to tick downward. Trillions of sidelined operating and venture capital has been put back to work in the economy and wages and family wealth is increasing at a healthy rate again. Our manufacturing base is growing again instead of persistently shrinking. Millions have dropped off the SNAP program as they no longer need it. Despite record numbers of baby boomers retiring these days, the labor participation rate ticked up last month for the first time in a long time.

You can find pluses and minuses in any Administration. Obama deserves the credit where he got it right and it was on his watch when things went wrong. But the fact is President Trump has done an excellent job with the economy and he deserves all the credit for that any President deserves. In many ways America has become great again. There is still much to be done, but the President has only been at it for 2-1/2 years. He has made mistakes and will no doubt continue to do so. But given an honest chance, I think his instincts and ability to address solutions for real problems will produce some very good things.

Truly, I'm just sick to death of hearing 'but the economy!' and 'low unemployment!'. That's simply not enough taken into the grand scheme of everything. Here's the primary talking points comparing Trump and Obama. Everyone that's a voter has to look at the overall picture and stop looking through a peephole in a door.

Trump has a great, strong economy, strongest in decades. Unemployment is at a record low.

Obama inherited a financial disaster and turned it completely around putting the US in an upward climb.

Okay that's it, let's put a full stop on only those two talking points. Basically that's the two main defenses on each side. Now let's look at the other 'stuff' that Trump supporters overlook and keep using the economy and jobs numbers as their reasons to keep supporting Trump and continually making excuses for his shortfalls and blaming the left for 'picking on him'.

Trump signed a complete and total ban on all Muslims entering the country. Yes, it was overturned in court, but it pleased the base.

Trump weakened Dodd-Frank which had been put into place after the financial crisis of 2007. The Dodd-Frank banking regulations were passed in 2010. The rolling back of regulations of Dodd-Frank would exempt some small and regional banks from the most stringent regulations, and also loosened rules aimed at protecting the biggest banks from sudden collapse. Trump had vowed to “do a big number” on the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, and some House Republicans had hoped to repeal the law entirely. Once again, he left people in the US vulnerable to big banks once again. Rolling back those regulations was the most pro-growth banking bill in a generation.

Tariffs and trade policies are costing the American consumer 1.4 billion dollars more every month purchasing everything from shampoo to washing machines because of his so-called trade policy. NY Fed: Trump tariffs costing US consumers $1.4 billion per month

Trump passed a tax bill benefiting the top 1% and the biggest corporations in our country.

Take these item by item, how is it possible that you can defend this man based solely on 'the economy' and 'jobs'?
I haven't even mentioned how he has alienated our previously most loyal allies while embracing dictators including one that interfered in our democratic election. Those two things alone should be enough to make your brain think, 'hey wait, that's not a good thing.'
 
Since I have been told that lefties have no idea how to debate I though I would find actual graphs. I dunno... looks the same to me... so far. Tell me where it's abysmal since I am told that lefties do not know how to debate.

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Any successes that the U.S economy had during the Obama years was in spite of him....NOT because of him..........economic growth during his tenure bumped along at a stagnant point 5 %....often less.......good jobs were hard to find and not far from 100,000,000 people were either un-employed or under employed.

I will certainly give credit where its due though.....under President Obama...deportation of illegal aliens was at an all time high....something Donald Trump in spite of his protect the border stance has some catching up to do!

And when Barack Obama used armed drones in the middle east to kill terrorist on the ground that was the right decision also in spite of the push back he got from members of his own party.
 
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