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Did the “send her back” chant go too far?

Did the “send her back” chant go too far?

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JasperL said:
The problem is YouTube is full of examples, and we've all seen them, of dumbass racists/bigots screaming to some non-white - "Go back to ______!" It's so common there's no need to even post them, it's a dog bites man story - racist telling a Hispanic to go back to Mexico. Ho hum, in other news it's Friday.

It appears to be a universal experience of people with obviously ethnic backgrounds, and those in the public eye claim to hear it daily or weekly as a routine part of their hate mail.

So when it's something racist/bigots say to non-whites on a very regular basis, and it is, then it's actually fair to ascribe the common use of the tactic to a display of racism or bigotry, and in this case Trump used it to target a black woman, a Hispanic and two Muslims one of them also black. The crowd chanted it at a black Muslim.

We should all be able to call that what it is, and if it's not racism/bigotry, it's indistinguishable from countless acts of racism and bigotry and we're all supposed to pretend that the ethnicity of these women was just a coincidence. Could be true, but if you don't want to be mistaken for a racist/bigot, it's a good idea not to parrot what they say.
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Y’know, I’ve seen lefties say it too.
 
X Factor said:
Whereas calling them concentration camps and calling Border Patrol agents Nazis clearly had nothing to do with it.
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One could likely argue from that line as well.

Though that mess also originates with Trump's mishandling of the entire situation and the internment camps being woefully overpopulated, poorly run, and with little to no oversight. So if Trump hadn't ****ed up so badly there, it would have removed that propaganda tag line.
 
X Factor said:
That’s from Maya Angelou and it’s always been one of my favorites. Are you believing who Ilhan Omar is?
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I've never defended her politics. All I've done is defend BS racist/bigoted attacks on her by POTUS.
 
Ikari said:
One could likely argue from that line as well.

Though that mess also originates with Trump's mishandling of the entire situation and the internment camps being woefully overpopulated, poorly run, and with little to no oversight. So if Trump hadn't ****ed up so badly there, it would have removed that propaganda tag line.
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I live on the border. It’s always been a bit of a mess that sure didn’t start with Trump.
 
Nuber said:
The "go back where you came from phrase" has a lot more to do with patriotism than racism in the modern world. The best way to verbalize the sentiment is to say "if you don't like it here, leave". This has been voluntarily offered by all sorts of people as a solution if they don't get what they want in an election (remember how many celebrities were going to Canada in 2016?), so how can it be racist?.

Once you start saying "send them back" you begin to sound anti-immigration and potentially racist unless you are talking about illegals. I suggest that we don't open the door for debate derailment by using poor phraseology.

At the end of the day I think all of these phrases are based in patriotism, whereas the left thinks they are all racist. Then again just labeling myself a conservative makes me a racist in the mind of some...
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There is absolutely nothing patriotic about telling a US citizen to "go back" to where she was born.

If that is the right's new idea of "patriotism", to say something so vile to a fellow citizen, it's pathetic.
 
X Factor said:
Because it seems like it’s only a problem if directed at people you like.
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I don't "like" or "dislike" all those non-whites being screamed at by dumbass racists/bigots to go back to _______!" They are people who I've never met. What I'm objecting to are displays of stupid racism and bigotry. If that's too damn hard for you to grasp, don't respond to my posts. I'd have thought we could agree on that much, but maybe I'm wrong.

Do you have a comment on my post, or is all you wanted to do is say BOTHSIDES@!!!
 
X Factor said:
I live on the border. It’s always been a bit of a mess that sure didn’t start with Trump.
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No, I think that many of the issues hadn't started with Trump. It's that Trump has exacerbated many of the issues, blown them up in ways to make it much much worse than it was before. Trump didn't start the detainment of children or illegal immigration, he's just bumbled the handling of it so much that it has exploded into the huge issue it is today.
 
tres borrachos said:
There is absolutely nothing patriotic about telling a US citizen to "go back" to where she was born.

If that is the right's new idea of "patriotism", to say something so vile to a fellow citizen, it's pathetic.
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Y’know someone posted that about the First Lady in this very thread.
 
tres borrachos said:
There is absolutely nothing patriotic about telling a US citizen to "go back" to where she was born.

If that is the right's new idea of "patriotism", to say something so vile to a fellow citizen, it's pathetic.
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Can you smell the patriotism here? I know I can!

 
JasperL said:
I don't "like" or "dislike" all those non-whites being screamed at by dumbass racists/bigots to go back to _______!" They are people who I've never met. What I'm objecting to are displays of stupid racism and bigotry. If that's too damn hard for you to grasp, don't respond to my posts. I'd have thought we could agree on that much, but maybe I'm wrong.

Do you have a comment on my post, or is all you wanted to do is say BOTHSIDES@!!!
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You want me to say that the whole “love it or leave it” thing is per se racist and, no, I don’t think is. If the “squad” was 4 white dudes from Whitelandia constantly speaking about the evil that is the US while benefiting from being here, he’d do the same and on the flip side, if the squad was all, “USA, **** yeah” or especially “Trump, **** yeah” he’d give them the keys to the White House.
 
X Factor said:
Y’know someone posted that about the First Lady in this very thread.
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Cool story. It wasn't me so I'm not sure why you said that.

But since we are talking about it, did anyone yell at her to "go back" when she was complaining about Obama or claiming he was born in Kenya?
 
X Factor said:
You want me to say that the whole “love it or leave it” thing is per se racist and, no, I don’t think is. If the “squad” was 4 white dudes from Whitelandia constantly speaking about the evil that is the US while benefiting from being here, he’d do the same and on the flip side, if the squad was all, “USA, **** yeah” or especially “Trump, **** yeah” he’d give them the keys to the White House.
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I think that if the "squad" as they ware called were all "USA, **** yeah, but f Trump in the a", he'd still be trying to make a huge deal out of it. Maybe even spinning the whole "go back to where you came from" thing as well. I don't think it has to do with how much one cheers for America, and I don't see these folk cheering against America, just looking at ways they think they could improve it (whether we agree politically with those ideals or not).

It all has to do with criticism of Trump. Trump has a shallow, fragile ego that cannot stand to people being critical of him, and he'll attack anyone who is critical of him in any way possible. The most patriotic, pro-American individual could be critical of Trump and he ain't getting the keys to the White House, but rather some childish, name-calling tweet sent their way.
 
tres borrachos said:
Cool story. It wasn't me so I'm not sure why you said that. But since we are talking about it, did anyone yell at her to "go back" when she was complaining about Obama or claiming he was born in Kenya?
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Hard to say. I don’t recall her doing either. The post was really just a joke anyway. I guess an attempt to give us a taste of our own medicine or something which might have backfired because I didn’t feel it was a big deal. If y’all don’t want her, send her to me.
 
Ikari said:
I think that if the "squad" as they ware called were all "USA, **** yeah, but f Trump in the a", he'd still be trying to make a huge deal out of it. Maybe even spinning the whole "go back to where you came from" thing as well. I don't think it has to do with how much one cheers for America, and I don't see these folk cheering against America, just looking at ways they think they could improve it (whether we agree politically with those ideals or not).

It all has to do with criticism of Trump. Trump has a shallow, fragile ego that cannot stand to people being critical of him, and he'll attack anyone who is critical of him in any way possible. The most patriotic, pro-American individual could be critical of Trump and he ain't getting the keys to the White House, but rather some childish, name-calling tweet sent their way.
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I’d agree with this.
 
X Factor said:
Hard to say. I don’t recall her doing either. The post was really just a joke anyway. I guess an attempt to give us a taste of our own medicine or something which might have backfired because I didn’t feel it was a big deal. If y’all don’t want her, send her to me.
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You don't recall the First Lady joining her husband in the Birther conspiracy? She did.

I don't "want" her, but only because she isn't my type. But if my husband pisses me off, I may go gay.:mrgreen: I'll try to hook you up with her if I can.
 
X Factor said:
You want me to say that the whole “love it or leave it” thing is per se racist and, no, I don’t think is. If the “squad” was 4 white dudes from Whitelandia constantly speaking about the evil that is the US while benefiting from being here, he’d do the same and on the flip side, if the squad was all, “USA, **** yeah” or especially “Trump, **** yeah” he’d give them the keys to the White House.
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He didn't say "love it or leave it." I know you guys want to pretend he didn't say what he did, and the crowd said something other than what they chanted, but what he did do was suggest these women, all of them non-white, to go back to their ****hole countries, and when they accomplish some task, then they will welcome back here. These are citizens. Members of Congress.

For some reason Trump has NOT said to Schiff or any white person - go back to the ****hole country from where you came! One of his crowds whipped into a frenzy has not chanted, "Send him back!" to Schiff. What we're supposed to do is pretend that this is all coincidence, even when we can go on YouTube and see that this is in fact common for dumbass racists, to tell non-whites - "GO BACK!!!

Here's a radical idea. Ask, "What Would a Knuckle Dragging Dumbass Racist/Bigot Do" and then don't do that. Seems like a pretty low bar for the President of the United States. But of course it's not. We now have half the country happily letting Trump drag the country into a putrid, crap filled ditch, and defending him at every step of the way.

As to your last point, yeah, great point. It's akin to, "I can't be racist because, look, I have these black/brown friends!"
 
JasperL said:
The problem is YouTube is full of examples, and we've all seen them, of dumbass racists/bigots screaming to some non-white - "Go back to ______!" It's so common there's no need to even post them, it's a dog bites man story - racist telling a Hispanic to go back to Mexico. Ho hum, in other news it's Friday.

It appears to be a universal experience of people with obviously ethnic backgrounds, and those in the public eye claim to hear it daily or weekly as a routine part of their hate mail.

So when it's something racist/bigots say to non-whites on a very regular basis, and it is, then it's actually fair to ascribe the common use of the tactic to a display of racism or bigotry, and in this case Trump used it to target a black woman, a Hispanic and two Muslims one of them also black. The crowd chanted it at a black Muslim.

We should all be able to call that what it is, and if it's not racism/bigotry, it's indistinguishable from countless acts of racism and bigotry and we're all supposed to pretend that the ethnicity of these women was just a coincidence. Could be true, but if you don't want to be mistaken for a racist/bigot, it's a good idea not to parrot what they say.
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You choose to see skin color when it was never referenced by Trump (bias, yours). The common theme with all of the women in question is that they have all spoken poorly of this country. One defends known terrorist organizations, one refers to court mandated holding facilities as concentration camps, one is such a bigot herself that she insists that all black and brown people must think like her. These statements are of far greater concern than Trump saying these women can leave if they don't like it here. Especially from federal policy makers.
 
X Factor said:
Hard to say. I don’t recall her doing either. The post was really just a joke anyway. I guess an attempt to give us a taste of our own medicine or something which might have backfired because I didn’t feel it was a big deal. If y’all don’t want her, send her to me.
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tres borrachos said:
You don't recall the First Lady joining her husband in the Birther conspiracy? She did.

I don't "want" her, but only because she isn't my type. But if my husband pisses me off, I may go gay.:mrgreen: I'll try to hook you up with her if I can.
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Arrange that and I’ll tell Donald to go **** himself personally. It’s nice to see you post with some levity, Tres. :)
 
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