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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I read the tweets directly and it's abundantly clear to everyone that doesn't have a racist agenda that what he said is blatantly racist. Telling Americans who were born here to "go back to their own country" is objectively racist. Trump sees minority women so he immediately thinks of them as foreigners.

    You're demanding we ignore what he actually said and instead imagine what his intentions might have been. That's a pathetic attempt at redirection by someone with an obvious agenda. Words matter.
    What part of "And please...don't make **** up." do you not understand?

    Trump did not tell anyone born here to go back to their own country.

    The only people who allow themselves to believe that's what he said are people with a racist agenda...and Trump has masterfully flushed the lot of you out of the woodwork.
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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I read the tweets directly and it's abundantly clear to everyone that doesn't have a racist agenda that what he said is blatantly racist. Telling Americans who were born here to "go back to their own country" is objectively racist.
    1. Trump is a racist.
    2. That statement is not objectively racist. For example, it is completely plausible that Trump had heard at some time the data point that Ilhan Omar was born in Somalia, and is simply dumb enough to have applied "all these crazy new democrat women are therefore from somewhere not America" logic to the entire bunch. It's entirely possible that he took a look at them and said "Yup, all brown", but that is not required by his statement.

    Never attribute blanketly to malice, that which is more explainable via stupidity.


    It was actually incredibly stupid on two different levels - first, it's own, direct stupidity, and second, it sucked oxygen out of the fight between Pelosi her Democrats v AOC and her Twittercrats. When AOC's chief of staff took to describing Democrats - some of whom were African American - to 1940's Segregationists, the entire GOP should have just decided to shut up for a while, and let the Democrats suffer under the same bad-faith racial accusations and counter-accusations that they've slung at Republicans for decades.


    But, Trump has a constitutional inability to shut up, even when it's in his own interest. So, instead, he said something incredibly stupid and offensive, re-united the warring sides of the Democrat party, and even probably helped immunize the same people he wanted to attack from actual criticism by those who would be most effective at it - other Democrats.


    intentions might have been.
    intentions matter. A Hindu who uses a swastika intends something very different than a neo-Nazi who uses a swastika, and so their intention means that what they are saying with the same symbol is nonetheless different.

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    What part of "And please...don't make **** up." do you not understand?

    Trump did not tell anyone born here to go back to their own country.

    The only people who allow themselves to believe that's what he said are people with a racist agenda...and Trump has masterfully flushed the lot of you out of the woodwork.
    You are the only person on the planet who does not know who these tweets were directed at. Lol

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    What part of "And please...don't make **** up." do you not understand?

    Trump did not tell anyone born here to go back to their own country.

    The only people who allow themselves to believe that's what he said are people with a racist agenda...and Trump has masterfully flushed the lot of you out of the woodwork.
    Yes he did. What congresswomen specifically was he talking to then? List the names. I assume you're one of the people who asks minorities where they're from and when they say "America" you ask "No, where are you REALLY from?"

    Also, since when does criticizing policy X of our country mean you hate it? We heard conservatives whine for 8 straight years under Obama about how it was being run and how they'd rather have it, that was all hate for America on your side right?

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    What part of "And please...don't make **** up." do you not understand?

    Trump did not tell anyone born here to go back to their own country.
    So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly……

    …and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how….

    So, are you arguing that Trump thinks that America under his Administration is a complete and total catastrophe, the most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world?

    Interesting.

    Personally, I'd say it looks like he's talking about Somalia, where Ilhan Omar is originally from, and is just a freaking idiot, and applied that status to all of them, but, hey, you do you.

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Excuse me, If I have worked for them, I would have directly posted their link for a clear info. I'm no one. I just read the news and wanted opinions of everyone. It seems U are a great supporter of Trump, whatever he says it is right. I request you not to deviate the discussion

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Trump is a racist.
    2. That statement is not objectively racist. For example, it is completely plausible that Trump had heard at some time the data point that Ilhan Omar was born in Somalia, and is simply dumb enough to have applied "all these crazy new democrat women are therefore from somewhere not America" logic to the entire bunch. It's entirely possible that he took a look at them and said "Yup, all brown", but that is not required by his statement.

    Never attribute blanketly to malice, that which is more explainable via stupidity.


    It was actually incredibly stupid on two different levels - first, it's own, direct stupidity, and second, it sucked oxygen out of the fight between Pelosi her Democrats v AOC and her Twittercrats. When AOC's chief of staff took to describing Democrats - some of whom were African American - to 1940's Segregationists, the entire GOP should have just decided to shut up for a while, and let the Democrats suffer under the same bad-faith racial accusations and counter-accusations that they've slung at Republicans for decades.


    But, Trump has a constitutional inability to shut up, even when it's in his own interest. So, instead, he said something incredibly stupid and offensive, re-united the warring sides of the Democrat party, and even probably helped immunize the same people he wanted to attack from actual criticism by those who would be most effective at it - other Democrats.




    intentions matter. A Hindu who uses a swastika intends something very different than a neo-Nazi who uses a swastika, and so their intention means that what they are saying with the same symbol is nonetheless different.
    If this happened in a vacuum without decades of direct evidence of his beliefs on and disdain for minorities, one might try and give him the benefit of the doubt. The trouble is, that really is what he believes and his base absolutely adores him for it.

    You yourself admit he's a racist, so it's a bit like you defending David Duke saying "n****ers go back to Africa" in the off chance he wasn't meaning to be racist that one time.

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I read the tweets directly and it's abundantly clear to everyone that doesn't have a racist agenda that what he said is blatantly racist. Telling Americans who were born here to "go back to their own country" is objectively racist. Trump sees minority women so he immediately thinks of them as foreigners.
    I don't understand why it's "racist"--shouldn't it be "jingoistic" or "xenophobic" because race and national origin aren't the same?

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Never attribute blanketly to malice, that which is more explainable via stupidity.


    It was actually incredibly stupid on two different levels - first, it's own, direct stupidity, and second, it sucked oxygen out of the fight between Pelosi her Democrats v AOC and her Twittercrats. When AOC's chief of staff took to describing Democrats - some of whom were African American - to 1940's Segregationists, the entire GOP should have just decided to shut up for a while, and let the Democrats suffer under the same bad-faith racial accusations and counter-accusations that they've slung at Republicans for decades.

    But, Trump has a constitutional inability to shut up, even when it's in his own interest. So, instead, he said something incredibly stupid and offensive, re-united the warring sides of the Democrat party, and even probably helped immunize the same people he wanted to attack from actual criticism by those who would be most effective at it - other Democrats.
    This.

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    Re: What's your opinion on Trump's controversial comments on Congress Women??

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I don't understand why it's "racist"--shouldn't it be "jingoistic" or "xenophobic" because race and national origin aren't the same?
    When you tell minorities to go back where they came from despite having been born here, it's racist. It's like asking a minority where they're from, then when they say "America" you ask "No, where are you REALLY from??"

    If Donald hates so much of how America was run up to this point why doesn't he go back to Germany, you know, where he came from.

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