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Are you proud of your race?

Are you proud of your race?

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No, why should I be proud of something I had no control over? My being born white is not something I worked for; it's not any personal merit.

What I'm proud of, are my personal accomplishments, for which I did work hard: the advanced degrees I've earned, the good job I have, my good performance at my job which earned me financial success, the excellent loving relationship I've built with my wife, the good friends I've made, and how good my two children turned out to be thanks to good parenting and good values and role modeling. I have a good life and I'm a generally very happy person, with a good dose of personal pride (without arrogance) and self-confidence; I generally feel that my life is a job well done.

Race? Pffftt... I think that people who are too focused on race are people with small minds, who often rely on that to compensate for other feelings of inadequacy. Furthermore, biologically, human races are very flimsy. They are a social construct more than a biological one, given that tissue compatibility data for transplants, for example, support that humans are much more similar than their skin color would indicate. It's all cosmetics. When it really matters, a black guy can be a better kidney donor to a white guy, than the white guy's neighbor.
 
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Buzz62 said:
Well for starters...Africa is the original seed of the human race. That means the black "race" is the oldest and most enduing. So ya...there's that.
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And what have they done during all of that time?

As for the Indians...ever heard of Mother Teresa? How about curried goat? Man I love curried goat!
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Mother Teresa was Albanian.

In any case I was referring to American Indians. It is true that Asian Indians have contributed to the advancement of civilization, but not nearly as much as Europeans have.
 
I’m sure there are a few people of my race who are OK. I’m guessing they are college grad, atheists.

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X Factor said:
I think I’ve done this question before but it’s come up again and the whole idea of taking pride in your race seems odd to me, like being proud you’re right handed or that you have two feet. Am I missing something (I mean about this in particular, so pipe down potential wise asses :2razz:). Attaching poll.
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All humans should take pride in knowing and believing God in response to God's goodness. Race should not be a matter which causes people to disrespect one another. All humans descended from Adam and have the same blood line.
 
marke said:
All humans should take pride in knowing and believing God in response to God's goodness. Race should not be a matter which causes people to disrespect one another. All humans descended from Adam and have the same blood line.
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lol "Adam."


People do not descend from males.


Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

The mitochondria, and thus mitochondrial DNA, are passed almost exclusively from mother to offspring through the egg cell.
 
calamity said:
lol "Adam."


People do not descend from males.


Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

The mitochondria, and thus mitochondrial DNA, are passed almost exclusively from mother to offspring through the egg cell.
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marke said:
All humans should take pride in knowing and believing God in response to God's goodness. Race should not be a matter which causes people to disrespect one another. All humans descended from Adam and have the same blood line.
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Genesis proves that incest is best

The sons and daughters of Adam and Eve must have gotten busy with each other like rabbits.
 
AmNat said:
And what have they done during all of that time?


In any case I was referring to American Indians. It is true that Asian Indians have contributed to the advancement of civilization, but not nearly as much as Europeans have.
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About all they were capable of doing given the nature of their continent.

And that's arguable. The origins of civilization lay in Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Indus River Valley and China.
 
AmNat said:
And what have they done during all of that time?



Mother Teresa was Albanian.

In any case I was referring to American Indians. It is true that Asian Indians have contributed to the advancement of civilization, but not nearly as much as Europeans have.
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Its a shame...to watch such disregard for the various peoples of this planet.
 
calamity said:
lol "Adam."
People do not descend from males.
Mitochondrial DNA - Wikipedia

The mitochondria, and thus mitochondrial DNA, are passed almost exclusively from mother to offspring through the egg cell.
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Grandfathers and grandmothers both share the title of ancestor in their offspring. You are right mtDNA is passed ALMOST exclusively from the mother and not the father. Exceptions have been more recently found, however, which forced scientists to reset mtEve's age from 200,000 years to a corrected, more accurate age of only 6,000 years.
 
marke said:
Grandfathers and grandmothers both share the title of ancestor in their offspring. You are right mtDNA is passed ALMOST exclusively from the mother and not the father. Exceptions have been more recently found, however, which forced scientists to reset mtEve's age from 200,000 years to a corrected, more accurate age of only 6,000 years.
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Well, at least you remembered to mention Eve this time. :)
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Being proud of something you had no control over? That's stupid.

Being proud of the accomplishments of your people despite the fact that for much of recent history they were not afforded the rights and respect of others? That's fine.
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Everybody is or has a recent ancestor who was denied the rights and respect of some other group of people, that's not any different then race by your definition.
 
X Factor said:
I think I’ve done this question before but it’s come up again and the whole idea of taking pride in your race seems odd to me, like being proud you’re right handed or that you have two feet. Am I missing something (I mean about this in particular, so pipe down potential wise asses :2razz:). Attaching poll.
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I'm proud of my family. Period, full stop.
 
X Factor said:
I think I’ve done this question before but it’s come up again and the whole idea of taking pride in your race seems odd to me, like being proud you’re right handed or that you have two feet. Am I missing something (I mean about this in particular, so pipe down potential wise asses :2razz:). Attaching poll.
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"Race" is an artificial construct and so I do not take pride in my "race". Also most conceptions of "Race" are broad and fluid and open to self choice that it's a useless way of dividing people.

When it comes to culture or ethnicity my views are different, I think it's perfectly ok to be proud of your cultural heritage, if you're Hispanic or Irish or in my case Norwegian/Scandinavian, etc. As long as you're not taking it as far to claim supremacy over other groups of people.
 
truthatallcost said:
Germany has absolutely taken responsibility for the Holocaust, although it'll never end. $89 billion paid, as of 2012.

Taking responsibility means taking credit.

For 60th Year, Germany Honors Duty to Pay Holocaust Victims - The New York Times

Native Americans haven't had it so good, but they probably also don't have a massive squadron of lawyers dedicated to seeking money for their pain and suffering, as the aforementioned group does.
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They are also two separate cases, the holocaust was genocide against unarmed civilians, the Native Americans died of diseases that the Europeans did not have the scientific understanding to prevent. Also the Native Americans largely either surrendered their land by treaties or lost armed conflicts against European settlers. It must be noted the Native Americans routinely acted towards each other in ways that would be considered crimes against humanity today, the point being it was a different time and different mindsets prevailed and thus to recontextualize the conquest of the Americas in modern legal thinking is intellectually dishonest.
 
lurchadams said:
Sure, ok. You mentioned how white people are discriminated against in South Africa. If that's your proof that there is discrimination against white people, why don't you do some research how women are stoned to death in the Mideast if they commit adultery. How about gay people that are pushed off roofs for being gay? These are countries the U.S. are allies with. Now you're probably going to come back and say that never happened in the U.S. and that would be wrong. Look up women's' suffrage. Look up gay people being dragged behind a truck for being gay.

I know, my friend. You're going to call me a liar. That's ok..... living in denial is what the right-wing does. I mean to face the facts that bigotry still exists and that perhaps you actually know some people that are guilty of it, might make your head explode!
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No, Lurch. I will not call you a liar. Some of your points are valid. I would point out that as you suggested, it better not happen here. As to the middle east, I don't believe that any of the victims you describe were slain fighting for their rights(as you suggested earlier) They were killed just because of who and what they were. Is there a difference? Certainly not to those who were killed. The real test is that you and I both detest the killings of women or gays for being themselves. There is a special place in Hell for those who kill others who don't subscribe to their own beliefs.

Regards,
CP
 
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