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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    First, I am pro-choice, Phys251. Second, if you are referring to me, what have a I lied about, Phys251? I am asking whether it should be legalized. And it is clear that some people here think it should be legalized. Do you think the law should remain on the books, or should the sale of fetal tissue be decriminalized? And if so, why? If not, why not?
    For the record, are you pro-choice for elective abortion?
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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    In the spirit of scientific advancement for the betterment of mankind, certainly. Not to forget an excellent source of protein. Long pork as tender as veal. Yum.
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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    First, I am pro-choice, Phys251. Second, if you are referring to me, what have a I lied about, Phys251? I am asking whether it should be legalized. And it is clear that some people here think it should be legalized. Do you think the law should remain on the books, or should the sale of fetal tissue be decriminalized? And if so, why? If not, why not?
    My apologies, I misread your OP.

    I agree, there's no reason to forbid using aborted fetal tissue in medical research, so long as the woman is donating that tissue 100% voluntarily.

    My only concern with putting a financial incentive on this is that it could create a situation similar to that of plasma donation, which can be hell on the body and doesn't really pay that well.
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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    The tissue would be otherwise thrown out, and the payment has nothing to do with the tissue being collected. Women aren't directly paid to have an abortion to provide fetal tissue for research. it would have been done anyway. That tissue is useful for research that can save many lives, so its dumb to throw away

    Now, if you were to offer money to women to have an abortion and donate their tissue, that would be horrible as it would incentivize them to get pregnant and have abortion to make money. THe same as its unethical to get money for organ donation, it exploits desperate people

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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    For the record, are you pro-choice for elective abortion?
    If by elective abortion, Lursa, you mean for reasons beyond the health of the mother or cases of rape and incest, yes. I believe a woman has the right to seek an abortion for any reason or even no reason whatsoever. The right is absolute. However, I am not against laws that curtail it past a certain point, such as past the point of definite fetal viability. And if you were about to follow up with a question regarding "fetal heartbeat" bills, no, I am not for those. I am talking about definite fetal viability, typically at the 6-month mark.

    Additionally, as you may have divined, this does not mean I give my moral imprimatur to those women who seek abortions for reasons beyond health and rape. In the same way that I am a free speech absolutist, and believe the expression of one's thoughts and opinions cannot and should not be restricted by the government. While I support all people's free speech rights, that does not mean I have to like the thoughts and opinions of National Socialists, or Communists, or Islamists, for example. Not that I am comparing women who abort babies to terrorist enablers and sympathizers, but the analogy illustrating the principle stands.
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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Why just women? Lets include men in this discussion. Shouldnt the male also be compensated?

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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    If by elective abortion, Lursa, you mean for reasons beyond the health of the mother or cases of rape and incest, yes. I believe a woman has the right to seek an abortion for any reason or even no reason whatsoever. The right is absolute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    First, I am pro-choice, Phys251. Second, if you are referring to me, what have a I lied about, Phys251? I am asking whether it should be legalized. And it is clear that some people here think it should be legalized. Do you think the law should remain on the books, or should the sale of fetal tissue be decriminalized? And if so, why? If not, why not?
    Roe v. Wade was an attempt to balance the legal rights & responsibilities of the pregnant woman, her doctor(s), & the state. Under Roe, the state could begin to control access to abortion in the 2nd trimester, & forbid abortion outright in the 3rd (except for the life or health of the woman).

    I don't see any such consideration for the state's interest in the idea of allowing the sale of fetal tissue directly by the woman. & from a pragmatic POV, wouldn't she have to be cleared medically as a source of fetal tissue? So there's a basic biological/medical checkup, licensing or certification for that. Then licensing as a medical supplier - she'd have to form some kind of corporation, register with her state - does she charge/collect sales tax? She'd need a lawyer, accountant, probably have to watch what she ate & drank - record any drugs, dosages, etc. Drink alcohol in moderation.

    It's a very long list - the notion is interesting, but tossing a newbie into a medical supply chain & marketplace? It's a non-starter, I think. Much more likely would be some kind of middleman outfit that links up sellers & potential buyers - but that's de facto what already exists. So why reinvent the wheel, if there's no discernable improvement in outcomes @ the end of all that?

    Asked another way: What are the projected benefits to allowing women to directly sell their aborted fetal tissue, over the system that already exists in the US? (& bear in mind that several states - TX? IN? are already requiring that aborted fetal tissue be buried or otherwise treated just as if it were an adult cadaver. There would have to be some overriding language in any state laws allowing direct sale of aborted fetal tissue by the formerly pregnant woman, & likely also @ the federal level.)

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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    In the spirit of recent threads, such as the legalization of surrogacy, prostitution, sale of one's own bodily organs, I thought I would post a poll that would hopefully be as thought provoking as it might be stomach churning.

    Presently, under Federal law, it is illegal in the United States to sell fetal tissue. That is, it is a crime to sell the body parts of stillborn or aborted fetuses. Presently, the bodies of these unborn children (whether zygotes all the way up to fully-developed fetuses) cannot enter the commercial stream, and the women who abort them cannot benefit from the sale of their expectorated fetuses' tissue.

    My question is this: Why should this law remain on the books? Why should research companies remain barred from paying women or perhaps abortion clinics for such tissue in order to keep those clinics in operation? Why shouldn't the women who had abortions not be able to benefit from the sale of their fetuses' bodily tissue? Why shouldn't medical research companies not be able to pay women for having abortions, so that they can use that fetal tissue in medical research? Perhaps pay them to have abortions at various stages of pregnancy in order to have a wider range of fetal tissue to research? Maybe advertising to pregnant mothers that they can make good money for aborting their unborn children and selling their body parts to medical research firms if the rigors and costs of pregnancy are too high to bear?

    What argument, if any, from either the pro-choice or pro-life or non-aligned members here is there to keep these laws on the books? Why shouldn't women who wish to have abortions, many of whom are apparently impoverished, not be given the chance to recoup financially?
    I voted yes. If your going to kill babies, why not go all the way. At least that's intellectually honest. Kill 'em and make a buck off them. The American way. You make 'em we scrape 'em.... no fetus can beat us.... but be careful what you wish for; de-valuing life has a way of spreading. Maybe we should kill off old people when they're no longer productive?

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    Re: Should paying women for aborted fetal tissue be legalized?

    It's not like they're harvesting organs. Stem cells is all I can think of, but modern medical biology is above my pay grade.

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