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Is it insane that the FEC chair needs to inform politicians (read the president) about the law?

Is it insane that the FEC chair needs to warn politicians to not break the law

  • Yes, it is crazy that it is needed.

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • No, no politician needs to know stuff like this

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I support Trump, what the law says means nothing to me/Trump

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I am a democrat, I think Trump already broke the law in 2016

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • I am an independent, I think Trump already broke this law in 2016

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • I don't know/don't care what the law or the FEC says

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Other, please explain.................

    Votes: 7 31.8%
  • Total voters
    22
apdst said:
You have to measure the benefit, because United States citizens can only donate $2,500 per person to a campaign. If a citizen donates information to a campaign that's worth $50,000, that's an FEC violation.
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I see, so if it's not against campaign finance laws to collude, conspire, with a foreign government in digging up dirt on your opponent, then it's also appropriate. So when Warren's campaign meets with Chinese intelligence and gets a data dump of a bunch of dirt on Trump and pro-tariff and anti-China Congressmen, you'd be fine with that because information has no value and if it doesn't fit into the FEC framework. And if it's legal, then GO FOR IT LIZZY!!!!

My goodness. The GOP is now condoning what the public at least would consider treason. Thanks Trump!!
 
apdst said:
Receiving information isn't considered a campaign donation.
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Except it is also something of value, and it is a foreign government and therefor banned/not allowed/illegal.
 
Peter King said:
Except it is also something of value, and it is a foreign government and therefor banned/not allowed/illegal.
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Ok, show us the dollar value the FEC places on information. Not all information is equal.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The law says 'anything of value.' Almost all of the media and all congresspersons, everybody in government would listen to what a foreign person had to say. Most have done so. And if there was, as the President said, something 'bad' in that, the responsible person would turn that information over to the appropriate authorities. How would you know if it was 'bad' unless you knew what it was?

Good gosh, the hatred for our President is all that is anybody's head anymore. The most innocuous statement is continuously blown all out of proportion and made into something it is not.
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Tell that to the Chair of the FEC. And to the idiot president who sees no problem in colluding with a foreign government to win an election.
 
AlbqOwl said:
The law says 'anything of value.' Almost all of the media and all congresspersons, everybody in government would listen to what a foreign person had to say. Most have done so. And if there was, as the President said, something 'bad' in that, the responsible person would turn that information over to the appropriate authorities. How would you know if it was 'bad' unless you knew what it was?

Good gosh, the hatred for our President is all that is anybody's head anymore. The most innocuous statement is continuously blown all out of proportion and made into something it is not.
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The President basically said collusion was fine, and that our sitting President only "might" contact his own FBI in that case is stunning to everyone who doesn't have their head permanently inserted into Trump's rear end.

It's also pathetic that the defense there is 'everyone' would do it. How do you know that? And even if some Congressman would, that doesn't make the behavior acceptable. Little kids who have decent parents learn "everyone does it" isn't an excuse for bad behavior and yet we have the POTUS using it, and his cultist followers agreeing. It's really amazing.
 
JasperL said:
I see, so if it's not against campaign finance laws to collude, conspire, with a foreign government in digging up dirt on your opponent, then it's also appropriate. Ob]So when Warren's campaign meets with Chinese intelligence[/b] and gets a data dump of a bunch of dirt on Trump and pro-tariff and anti-China Congressmen, you'd be fine with that because information has no value and if it doesn't fit into the FEC framework. And if it's legal, then GO FOR IT LIZZY!!!!

My goodness. The GOP is now condoning what the public at least would consider treason. Thanks Trump!!
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You'll defend it.
 
JasperL said:
The President basically said collusion was fine, and that our sitting President only "might" contact his own FBI in that case is stunning to everyone who doesn't have their head permanently inserted into Trump's rear end.

It's also pathetic that the defense there is 'everyone' would do it. How do you know that? And even if some Congressman would, that doesn't make the behavior acceptable. Little kids who have decent parents learn "everyone does it" isn't an excuse for bad behavior and yet we have the POTUS using it, and his cultist followers agreeing. It's really amazing.
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It's also a fact and you know it.
 
joko104 said:
That is not what he said. He said anything "of value." In law this has never mean facts or truth. It means something tangible, not thoughts. Money, gifts, political printed materials...

To interpret it as meaning thoughts and facts is absurd. Your ludicrous opinion is that any politician that reads a foreign newspaper or reading anything online that is "dirt" written by a foreign national - or hears anything that is "dirt" about a candidate, committed a crime. If a candidate listens to any British or any other foreign commentator on the MSM who talks about "dirt" on your opponent, they by hearing that the politician committed a federal crime - in YOUR ridiculous analysis.
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:lamo
 
j brown's body said:
So you're okay with him accepting assistance in an election from a foreign adversary, one he is trying to do business with, no less?
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He didn't say he would accept assistance from a foreign whatever in an election. He said he would probably listen. And then do the appropriate thing. However much the media and Trump haters want to characterize that as something else, that nevertheless is what he said.
 
apdst said:
Trump didn't meet with Russian intelligence and get a data dump.
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And if he did, and we can't put some value on it, it's therefore legal and also appropriate? That seems to be your position.
 
This kind of scenario doesn't surprise me in the least. I feel like the only member of a team that has bothered to read the laws and regulations that we as a team have to follow.

Half the time people with no knowledge of actual regulations drive policies that collapse under any scrutiny due to illegality or policy violation. We even have teams of HR and Legal folks to try and minimize the damage, but it doesn't stop the ignorant folks in charge from messing stuff up all the time.

/shrug
 
AlbqOwl said:
He didn't say he would accept assistance from a foreign whatever in an election. He said he would probably listen. And then do the appropriate thing. However much the media and Trump haters want to characterize that as something else, that nevertheless is what he said.
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What he said was if "Norway" called, he'd probably take the information and maybe call the FBI. Then he used the example of Congress, and said if they were approached by the same foreign government with "oppo research" that they'd all take it, and that's the way the world works. This is the President saying that - basically inviting foreign entities to get that information and feed it to candidates.

Thankfully everyone not a moron like Trump understands that it's wrong and illegal, and the FBI and other law enforcement exist in part to prevent those things from happening, but just using what Trump said as a guide, it's open season.
 
JasperL said:
What he said was if "Norway" called, he'd probably take the information and maybe call the FBI. Then he used the example of Congress, and said if they were approached by the same foreign government with "oppo research" that they'd all take it, and that's the way the world works. This is the President saying that - basically inviting foreign entities to get that information and feed it to candidates.

Thankfully everyone not a moron like Trump understands that it's wrong and illegal, and the FBI and other law enforcement exist in part to prevent those things from happening, but just using what Trump said as a guide, it's open season.
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Then Hillary and the DNC should go to jail yes? They not only accepted information from a foreign power, but solicited and paid for it. You can't tell me they paid for something they didn't know what they were getting.

John McCain was so eager to see it, it is reported that he sent an aide to London to obtain a copy. He then did turn it over to James Comey. But if he hadn't gone after it, Comey would never have had it.

You can't tell me that reporters and congresspersons don't listen to whatever information is offered to them by ANYBODY.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

The President was brutally honest in that he would probably listen. ANY person would take such a call. And the President also said that if it was 'bad', he would turn it over maybe to the FBI--interpretation, appropriate authority.

Tempest in a teapot that Trump haters are desperately trying to characterize as something it was not. And on their part that is pitiful and sad.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Then Hillary and the DNC should go to jail yes? They not only accepted information from a foreign power, but solicited and paid for it. You can't tell me they paid for something they didn't know what they were getting.

John McCain was so eager to see it, it is reported that he sent an aide to London to obtain a copy. He then did turn it over to James Comey. But if he hadn't gone after it, Comey would never have had it.

You can't tell me that reporters and congresspersons don't listen to whatever information is offered to them by ANYBODY.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

The President was brutally honest in that he would probably listen. ANY person would take such a call. And the President also said that if it was 'bad', he would turn it over maybe to the FBI--interpretation, appropriate authority.

Tempest in a teapot that Trump haters are desperately trying to characterize as something it was not. And on their part that is pitiful and sad.
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Steele was not an employee of MI6 in 2016. He was retired and a private citizen and co-owns a research agency. Your argument is not valid.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Then Hillary and the DNC should go to jail yes? They not only accepted information from a foreign power, but solicited and paid for it. You can't tell me they paid for something they didn't know what they were getting.
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I didn't know Russian intelligence fed information to Hillary. Please cite your finding.

John McCain was so eager to see it, it is reported that he sent an aide to London to obtain a copy. He then did turn it over to James Comey. But if he hadn't gone after it, Comey would never have had it.
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The FBI had the dossiers almost as soon as Steele prepared them. He first went to the FBI in the Summer of 2016, and continued to work with them until they 'fired' him close to the election. So I don't know what Comey personally had but the FBI was kept in the loop from the beginning.

You can't tell me that reporters and congresspersons don't listen to whatever information is offered to them by ANYBODY.
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But mom!! Everyone does it!!!!!

The President was brutally honest in that he would probably listen. ANY person would take such a call. And the President also said that if it was 'bad', he would turn it over maybe to the FBI--interpretation, appropriate authority.

Tempest in a teapot that Trump haters are desperately trying to characterize as something it was not. And on their part that is pitiful and sad.
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I agree, he honestly indicated that collusion/conspiracy is fine with him, and the best he could offer is if given the chance, and Russian wants to feed his next campaign a bunch of dirt on Warren or whoever, he MIGHT call the FBI.
 
Peter King said:
Of value is also information/dirt on your opponent. In fact other than money and troll help that is about the most valuable thing you can get in an election.
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That is not what a thing of value is. In your theory, any politician who listens to the MSM, reads the newspaper or reads anything online by anyone not an American that is dirt on their opponent then is a federal criminal.

Why do so many Democrats so intensely FEAR THE TRUTH? Literally, Democrats want total isolation of the United States from the world for the purpose of assuring NO ONE hears ANY information from anywhere in the world that exposes their corrupt, theft, bribery, conspiracies against the USA and criminal conduct.

^Wait, that last sentence explains why the Democratic Party and so many Democrats want the truth about the officeholders and candidates literally outlawed. The greatest attempt at cover-up by the Democratic Party in USA history!
 
Parrish said:
Steele was not an employee of MI6 in 2016. He was retired and a private citizen and co-owns a research agency. Your argument is not valid.
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I didn't say he was. But he was hired strictly because of his close ties with and ability to get information from Russians.
 
I can understand why Joe Biden wants it a criminal offense for Republicans to investigate his dealings with China and why the Clintons want it outlawed to investigate their dealings with Russia.

Only criminals would even attempt to make it a criminal offense for anyone to even hear about or receive any evidence of their criminal and corrupt conduct. That is why the Democratic Party want to literally outlaw the truth about them from being exposed.
 
Is it insane that the FEC chair needs to warn politicians to not break the law?
Other.
We have SCOTUS, and even they aren't voting consensually. So how can we expect every politician no know all laws and their interpretation perfectly?
 
Parrish said:
Steele was not an employee of MI6 in 2016. He was retired and a private citizen and co-owns a research agency. Your argument is not valid.
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So your point is that candidates should hire middlemen to deal with foreign governments and foreign sources.

IN FACT, Steel is BRITISH, not American. His agency is British. It is located in Britain. It doesn't matter if he is still with M16 or any other organization. Your argument is totally irrelevant to anything.

It also means you are being 100% totally and knowingly hypocritical in your messages in that you don't really give a damn about dirt on opponents from foreigners. It is all the endless totally fake, 100% false and 100% hypocritical concocted endless pretend outrage over things that the Democrat doesn't believe him/herself for 1 second.

Why do Democrats think posting totally false messages and totally hypocritical fake outrage persuades anyone? Is there some who-can-be-MORE hypocritical and false to prove partisan loyalty going on? Seems like it.
 
AlbqOwl said:
He didn't say he would accept assistance from a foreign whatever in an election. He said he would probably listen. And then do the appropriate thing. However much the media and Trump haters want to characterize that as something else, that nevertheless is what he said.
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If this isn't accepting "assistance from a foreign whatever in an election", what is it?:

“I think you might want to listen. I don’t — there’s nothing wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country — Norway — ‘We have information on your opponent’ — oh, I think I’d want to hear it,” the president told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.

You think Trump would call the FBI? Did he when the Russians contacted his campaign? No, he lied about it.

Why do you believe his lies?
 
joko104 said:
So your point is that candidates should hire middlemen to deal with foreign governments and foreign sources.

IN FACT, Steel is BRITISH, not American. His agency is British. It is located in Britain. It doesn't matter if he is still with M16 or any other organization. Your argument is totally irrelevant to anything.

It also means you are being 100% totally and knowingly hypocritical in your messages in that you don't really give a damn about dirt on opponents from foreigners. It is all the endless totally fake, 100% false and 100% hypocritical concocted endless pretend outrage over things that the Democrat doesn't believe him/herself for 1 second.

Why do Democrats think posting totally false messages and totally hypocritical fake outrage persuades anyone? Is there some who-can-be-MORE hypocritical and false to prove partisan loyalty going on? Seems like it.
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Foreign governments is, of course, the key. After all, our government engages in foreign policy with them, and if they aid in someone's election, they have chits to call in. It is a national security issue, And Steele wasn't involved with a government.
 
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