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Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

  • Fiscal

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • Social

    Votes: 13 86.7%

  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed .
two candidates on the ballot

one with a D

one with a R

that is what most people see and know

the fact the the candidates that your party or mine arent exactly what we want to represent OUR party matters little to them

we get one choice D or R

and i will let you be the one to vote for the OTHER party...okay

you be the one to vote for the brave new world

No, I get WHY you do it. What I don't get is why conservatives constantly complain about spending when the people THEY are the ones that vote in big spenders. What is that definition of insanity again? So either fiscal conservatives don't really care about big government spending OR they are just plain dumb. Take your pick.
 
No, I get WHY you do it. What I don't get is why conservatives constantly complain about spending when the people THEY are the ones that vote in big spenders. What is that definition of insanity again? So either fiscal conservatives don't really care about big government spending OR they are just plain dumb. Take your pick.

tell me one fiscal conservative in DC right now....just one

there arent any....

we need less spending in DC....and we need to eventually address the 800 lb gorillas in the room...social security and medicare

no one wants to discuss...it is the can the always gets kicked down the road to the "next" guy

well....the payments are about due, and the credits cards are about maxxed....

someone better start paying attention soon
 
two candidates on the ballot

one with a D

one with a R

that is what most people see and know

the fact the the candidates that your party or mine arent exactly what we want to represent OUR party matters little to them

we get one choice D or R

and i will let you be the one to vote for the OTHER party...okay

you be the one to vote for the brave new world

If that's the case, the reasonable course would be to work within the Republican party to make its' fiscal conservationism stronger and more effective, rather that blaming the Democrats. Taking responsibility is the first step toward empowerment.
 
The only people I know in real life that identify as Republican are social conservatives. Abortion is their issue. In local elections they go after who suits them otherwise - usually Dems.

Some have indicated they really do not see R V W going anywhere so they cannot see their way to voting for Trump (again)
 
I have always wondered why they claimed that title while running up trillions of dollars in debt.

Do Republicans just ignore the fiscal side of conservatism and focus on church, abortion, hating gays and other issues. Is that what conservatism means to republicans?

Many Republicans are now fascists, not conservatives. Actual conservatives are a dying species in the Republican party.
 
If that's the case, the reasonable course would be to work within the Republican party to make its' fiscal conservationism stronger and more effective, rather that blaming the Democrats. Taking responsibility is the first step toward empowerment.

i do

i support candidates that i want to succeed

and Trump was NO WHERE near my check book

mostly i stay local and state....those i can help, and they actually do try to stay within certain guidelines

people get elected to federal positions, and then for whatever reasons forget the people that elected them

then it is about the lobbyists, and the big money donors....that is the PROBLEM with DC
 
Neither party has ever been concerned with it qhen they are in power.

Really? Because over the course of both Clinton left office with a budget Surplus and Obama shrunk his deficit each of his last four years in office. If we were till working with Obama's tax brackets and budget today we'd likely again have a surplus by now. So it sure seems to me that the only party that is being hypocritical here is Republicans.

The only saying goes Tax and Spend Liberals are better than Spend but don't tax Republicans. At least Democrats do try to raise money to pay for their spending.

But more than that. Democrats understand that there are times when a deficit is appropriate. i.e. when you're in the middle of an economic disaster that requires stimulus. Where as Republicans just us deficits all the time to stimulate the economy and make themselves look like they know how to run one whether it's a smart time to do it or not.
 
i do

i support candidates that i want to succeed

and Trump was NO WHERE near my check book

mostly i stay local and state....those i can help, and they actually do try to stay within certain guidelines

people get elected to federal positions, and then for whatever reasons forget the people that elected them

then it is about the lobbyists, and the big money donors....that is the PROBLEM with DC

I think you're right about DC, not because of the "swamp" that Trump both condemns and exemplifies, but because reality is a complex and many sided thing. Compromise is a good thing. The best that can be done is move forward incrementally and try to stay true to your values. That's how we used to do things, both on the right and the left.
 
Really? Because over the course of both Clinton left office with a budget Surplus and Obama shrunk his deficit each of his last four years in office. If we were till working with Obama's tax brackets and budget today we'd likely again have a surplus by now. So it sure seems to me that the only party that is being hypocritical here is Republicans.

The only saying goes Tax and Spend Liberals are better than Spend but don't tax Republicans. At least Democrats do try to raise money to pay for their spending.

But more than that. Democrats understand that there are times when a deficit is appropriate. i.e. when you're in the middle of an economic disaster that requires stimulus. Where as Republicans just us deficits all the time to stimulate the economy and make themselves look like they know how to run one whether it's a smart time to do it or not.

I consider them "borrow and bitch" Republicans.:mrgreen:
 
You voted for them.

because the other option is democrat, and watching SJW's on twitter jeer conservatives for losing. I'd vote republican on that alone to be honest, no regret.
 
tell me one fiscal conservative in DC right now....just one

there arent any....

we need less spending in DC....and we need to eventually address the 800 lb gorillas in the room...social security and medicare

no one wants to discuss...it is the can the always gets kicked down the road to the "next" guy

well....the payments are about due, and the credits cards are about maxxed....

someone better start paying attention soon

You are making my point. So if, according to you, there aren't any fiscal conservative republicans than why do you guys keep electing them? If you know the problem won't be solved why do YOU guys kick the can down the road by electing them?
 
I was a Republican for most of my life and for most of that time I wasn't conservative except in the sense of being averse to quick changes.

I was very wary of unforeseen consequences.

A favorite mantra was, "Celebrating change for the sake of change is like celebrating growing an extra toe."



And, by the way, the GOP wasn't conservative either for most of its existence. It came out of the womb as a liberal/progressive party. It was not a given that JFK and LBJ would be the presidents who took up the cause of civil rights -- political circumstances sent things that way. The GOP was instrumental in passing the Civil Rights Act, but the Democratic president got credit and then the parties started to realign. Those who supported that great cause started to claim the Dem label more and those who resisted started to claim the Republican label more. But Nixon was still progressive. And even up to GHWB, the party still had some progressive tendencies. Then came Gingrich and Norquist who helped finally kill the progressive heart of the GOP. GWB still had something of a progressive heart -- well he still had a heart and tried to govern with it in a unifying way (No Child Left Behind, Medicare reform, immigration reform) but his party was against him on much of it, and Democrats were opposing him even on things they supposedly liked so he wouldn't get credit (much like Republicans then opposed Obama on things they typically supported so Obama wouldn't get credit).

And now the GOP has taken a hard right turn past conservatism to extremism.
 
You are making my point. So if, according to you, there aren't any fiscal conservative republicans than why do you guys keep electing them? If you know the problem won't be solved why do YOU guys kick the can down the road by electing them?

the same reason you keep sending Pelosi and her ilk to the house...because that is the options that OUR parties give us

we can only vote for the options given to us....and we wont change parties....so it is either a crappy R or an even crappier D

not much of a choice, but the only real option we get

the power lies in the people basically making the selections on WHO is running

and if you tell me you are HAPPY about all the D's running every election, either you really arent paying attention, or you just dont care
 
So...Trump? McConnell? Basically the entire Republican party at this point is now Democrat lite?
not trump hes just a centrist American. McConnel is nothing more than a run of the mill do nothing rino.
 
I have always wondered why they claimed that title while running up trillions of dollars in debt.

Do Republicans just ignore the fiscal side of conservatism and focus on church, abortion, hating gays and other issues. Is that what conservatism means to republicans?

The national debt couldn't increase without both parties voting for bills that increase the debt...but who since the 21st century has increased the national debt more...of course it was during the Obama administration that increased the debt more than all the preceding administration combined. But you knew that didn't you?

Now about focusing on the church...80% of all Americans are religious one way or the other, abortion, seems to me its liberal who are most concerned about abortions keep legal which is funny because no state has outlawed abortion outright, and the polls say that it a death heat 48-48%. Hating gays....sounds like a good bumper sticker for Clinton in his don't ask don't tell policy or Obama saying marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And by the way I am an atheistic, pro-choice could care less what people do in their bedrooms and to top it off I am a fiscal conservative who vote for Trump and plan to do it again.
 
The Republican Party is the party of diversity of ideas, priorities and values, not the Democratic Party. There are social conservatives, economic conservatives, isolationists, warhawks, nationalists, evangelicals, atheists, traditionalists, law and order, and numerous other focuses individual Republicans have.

The Democratic Party demands Jim Jones levels of total submission to the finest detail of whatever the Democratic Party is hawking today - which might be the diametric opposition of what it was hawking yesterday.

The difference is as easy to understand as the fact that nothing the Republican bosses and rightwing MSM could say or do - and no matter how much money spent - could force Republicans to accept being ordered to nominated Jeb Bush. Even though most Democrats really didn't like Hilary Clinton, the Democratic Party and leftwing MSM/press was able to successfully order Democrats to vote for her anyway. Nothing more demonstrates that the vast majority of Republicans are independent thinkers - and the majority of Democrat voters are not.
 
The Republican Party is the party of diversity of ideas, priorities and values, not the Democratic Party. There are social conservatives, economic conservatives, isolationists, warhawks, nationalists, evangelicals, atheists, traditionalists, law and order, and numerous other focuses individual Republicans have.

The Democratic Party demands Jim Jones levels of total submission to the finest detail of whatever the Democratic Party is hawking today - which might be the diametric opposition of what it was hawking yesterday.

The difference is as easy to understand as the fact that nothing the Republican bosses and rightwing MSM could say or do - and no matter how much money spent - could force Republicans to accept being ordered to nominated Jeb Bush. Even though most Democrats really didn't like Hilary Clinton, the Democratic Party and leftwing MSM/press was able to successfully order Democrats to vote for her anyway. Nothing more demonstrates that the vast majority of Republicans are independent thinkers - and the majority of Democrat voters are not.

I know that you don't let pesky trivialities like facts get in the way of your grand statements, but isn't it odd that the party of diversity is almost all white, while the party that demands total uniformity is white, black Hispanic, Asian etc?
 
Is it a question of acceptance or infiltration? Since the Republican Party gained control of the Congress for the first time in 40 years in 1994 thousands of Democrats have jumped ship to become Republicans, while very few Republicans have become Democrats. The question really doesn't matter. Whether by acceptance or by infiltration the Republican Party has become very similar to the Democratic Party, fiscally and socially. In other words, there is no conservative representation in Congress these days.
I suspect that the poster in question has not given the issue that much thought.
[ Though, I obviously have no way of confirming that hypothesis. ]
The poster seemed to be happy enough that his team was on the scoreboard even if they had to "cheat" a little ( abandon principles and lose some dignity and integrity ) to get there.
 
Is it a question of acceptance or infiltration? Since the Republican Party gained control of the Congress for the first time in 40 years in 1994 thousands of Democrats have jumped ship to become Republicans, while very few Republicans have become Democrats. The question really doesn't matter. Whether by acceptance or by infiltration the Republican Party has become very similar to the Democratic Party, fiscally and socially. In other words, there is no conservative representation in Congress these days.

Oh look, it's the "you made me do it" defense. :roll:
 
tell me one fiscal conservative in DC right now....just one

there arent any....

we need less spending in DC....and we need to eventually address the 800 lb gorillas in the room...social security and medicare

no one wants to discuss...it is the can the always gets kicked down the road to the "next" guy

well....the payments are about due, and the credits cards are about maxxed....

someone better start paying attention soon

Praxas is under the bizarre impression that only conservatives vote, and that every politician in DC today is the fault of conservatives. There is no arguing with that kind of self-delusion.
 
I suspect that the poster in question has not given the issue that much thought.
[ Though, I obviously have no way of confirming that hypothesis. ]
The poster seemed to be happy enough that his team was on the scoreboard even if they had to "cheat" a little ( abandon principles and lose some dignity and integrity ) to get there.

I don't know the answer either, but I suspect it is a combination of both, infiltration and acceptance. One thing is absolutely certain, the Republican Party is no longer fiscally or socially conservative and hasn't been since at least the late 1990s. Both political parties are equally irresponsible and both political parties have total disdain for the US Constitution. Congress is a lost cause. The only hope conservatives have is with the Supreme Court.
 
This is a great question, surprisingly enough. I'm a fiscal and social conservative (not one is greater than the other for me) who's registered as a Republican, but I could switch to being an independent because the Republican party, the GOP, whatever you want to call them, have really hacked me off over the years. 3 reasons why I haven't switched: some people who are actually conservative I will support, I'm kind of lazy to make the switch, and I would want to make sure that whoever I support actually has the money behind him/her (independent parties, typically, don't have the money to get their name out their so 99% of the time they lose). So there's that on me. Now that I provided some context for where I'm going on this, let's answer the question.

In the modern era, if someone sees themselves as Republicans, they instantly associate themselves with Ronald Reagan because Reagan WAS a real conservative. He actually popularized the ideology, which is simply following the US Constitution and common sense. In other words, getting the government out of the way and letting people making up their own minds. At least, that's how I see it (in a brief summary). However, we had, and still have, many Republicans might have liked SOME of the things Reagan (and other conservatives today), very successful and loved, they wanted (and still want) a piece of the pie without having to work for it. For the most part, they went against what Reagan did and what he stood for. You have/had figures like Bill Krystle, John McCain, George Will, John Boehner, Karl Rove, the Bush Family (George Sr, George Jr, and Jeb), John Kasich, and many others like them, that have said good things about conservatism. However, when it came time act, they did nothing. Why, after all the things they said that would put the country on track? Simple: they were only able to round up voters, subscribers, or what have you, to make them legitimate and powerful.

When Trump, a Republican and conservative (instinctively), came and actually DID do the things that these same people suggested, the ALL came down on him and denounced his actions, even though many of these ideas, if not all of them, were theirs'. So the next question is do/did they really believe in what they were saying? The answer is no. Again, they'll say things that sound good for conservatism, but in reality, they only serve the Republican party within D.C. When another REAL conservative comes along and does and says things that are a part of the ideology, same thing happens: they get ripped apart. The point is these so called conservatives that are a part of the "Conservative Movement" are nothing more than actors trying to make themselves out to be smarter and better than everyone else. They're no different than what you see coming out of the Left, other than how they approach others.

Anymore, when someone that says they're conservative in the Republican party, I take them with a ton of salt, until they actually do something that represents conservatism properly. Ted Cruz is a true conservative. Rush Limbaugh, same deal. You also have Jim Jordan, Dan Crinshaw, Charlie Kirk, Steven Crowder, and Mark Levin. These people and many more actually practice and believe in conservatism, both fiscally and socially. These people do not follow the "Conservative Movement." Just because someone who's a Republican says they're conservative, it doesn't make it true. You can be an independent and be conservative. At the rarest of moments, they can even be Democrats that are conservative. For the most part, with regards to Republican insiders, conservatism doesn't define them, but rather their arrogance and self righteousness. These people align more-so with the Left than they do with conservatives. To be honest, I don't know why conservatives make up the base of the Republican party, other than they have the funding and there are real conservatives within positions of power. Other than those reason, the party insiders are trying to push them out or convert them to be more "moderate" (drones). This was a good one to answer because this is important to ask. Know who you're backing before you actually back them.
 
not trump hes just a centrist American. McConnel is nothing more than a run of the mill do nothing rino.

Are you being ****ing serious right now? Who exactly in your brilliant mind is an accurate representation of a "Conservative?"

If Trump is a centrist why would more than half the country despise him with such passion? Why is it that in a recent poll only 6% of Republicans said they'd support Biden over Trump? It sure seems like almost no Republicans in this country are in fact "Conservatives."

Tell me...who did "conservatives" vote for in 2016?
 
Republicans hate taxes more than they hate spending.
 
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