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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by rickc View Post
    I have always wondered why they claimed that title while running up trillions of dollars in debt.

    Do Republicans just ignore the fiscal side of conservatism and focus on church, abortion, hating gays and other issues. Is that what conservatism means to republicans?
    They're not traditional conservatives, but have become neo-conservatives, social conservatives, religious conservatives and any other type I left out. A traditional conservatives believes in fiscal responsibility, basically a balance budget. Spending, outflow matches incoming revenues. A traditional conservative believes if we have to cut spending to get to a balanced budget, do it. If we have to raise taxes to get to a balanced budget, do it. It usually requires both. Today's fiscal conservatives only believe in low taxes, not fiscal responsibility.

    Another thing traditional conservatives believe in is small government. Keeping government out of a citizen's private business and lives. This applies to your social issues you mentioned, abortion, gays, religion etc. A tradition conservative believes it is up to the woman when it comes to abortion, not government. Gay marriage, let love decide, not government and so on. Government shouldn't be used to enforce one's agenda on others one way or the other. This also applies to private businesses, which puts traditional conservatives on the hate list of the left due to their desire to use government to force their agenda on private businesses.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    Actually, social conservatism merely meant abiding by the US Constitution, nothing more. Something the federal government hasn't done since FDR was elected in 1933. The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to be spending appropriated funds on any social program. That is the exclusive authority of the States. Those who advocate for unlimited government spending are actually advocating for the downfall of their own government, and those who vote for them are equally as guilty.
    Social conservatism has nothing to do with the US Constitution, never has. That would be "Government Conservatism" and the last bastion of that ideology is Libertarianism.
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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by rickc View Post
    I have always wondered why they claimed that title while running up trillions of dollars in debt.

    Do Republicans just ignore the fiscal side of conservatism and focus on church, abortion, hating gays and other issues. Is that what conservatism means to republicans?
    you have it backwards for a LOT of people

    and why do so many of you on this board want to put people in these neat little boxes? as if every liberal and progressive thought alike...not likely

    i am a FISCAL conservative....i know a very rarified bird nowadays....i believe in people taking care of themselves for the most part, with government there to lend a helping hand up once in a great while

    I have become much more moderate when it comes to social issues over the years....i dont like abortion, or gay marriage, but neither of them bothers me personally....and it isnt my life, so who am i to judge

    i am a big proponent of 2A....but i think we could use "sensible" controls when it comes to weapons that can shoot more than a few shots a minute....i dont understand why citizens need or want AR15 or similar type weapons....but i currently own 3 weapons myself....

    We need to make adjustments to our spending in DC....we need to reign in lobbyists....and we need to get ALL MONEY OUT OF POLITICS....but that will never happen in my lifetime

    We need to make it easier to immigrate legally...too expensive and too long for many....my wife has relatives still on list for over 8 years now....but we need to stop the flow of undocumented coming in, or those overstaying visas

    Everify is not going to work by itself to cure the work issue....that only will get 40% which work in actual businesses....the rest work for themselves, or on the shadow economy....in your neighborhoods, and until we stop hiring them to do our lawn care, roofing, and other miscellaneous home repairs, they will continue to thrive in the cash and carry businesses.

    Some may call some of my views libertarian....i have voted I, and mostly R my life.....because i dont like big giveaway programs

    Not all republicans are conservatives, and not all conservatives care for the GOP
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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Not all republicans are conservatives, and not all conservatives care for the GOP
    Yet so called "fiscal conservatives" continually vote in non Fiscal conservative Republicans. You (general you) can't sit there and complain about government spending when you vote in Republicans and Democrats that are big spenders. It makes no sense. What result do fiscal conservatives think they will get voting in non-fiscal conservatives?

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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    Yet conservatives will vote in those "fake conservative" Republicans every time. Makes no sense. Sorry, but every single one of the Republicans that are currently in office have ran that they are CONSERVATIVE. So either conservative voters don't REALLY care about Fiscal conservatism or they are just plain dumb. Take your pick.
    two candidates on the ballot

    one with a D

    one with a R

    that is what most people see and know

    the fact the the candidates that your party or mine arent exactly what we want to represent OUR party matters little to them

    we get one choice D or R

    and i will let you be the one to vote for the OTHER party...okay

    you be the one to vote for the brave new world
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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    two candidates on the ballot

    one with a D

    one with a R

    that is what most people see and know

    the fact the the candidates that your party or mine arent exactly what we want to represent OUR party matters little to them

    we get one choice D or R

    and i will let you be the one to vote for the OTHER party...okay

    you be the one to vote for the brave new world
    No, I get WHY you do it. What I don't get is why conservatives constantly complain about spending when the people THEY are the ones that vote in big spenders. What is that definition of insanity again? So either fiscal conservatives don't really care about big government spending OR they are just plain dumb. Take your pick.

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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    No, I get WHY you do it. What I don't get is why conservatives constantly complain about spending when the people THEY are the ones that vote in big spenders. What is that definition of insanity again? So either fiscal conservatives don't really care about big government spending OR they are just plain dumb. Take your pick.
    tell me one fiscal conservative in DC right now....just one

    there arent any....

    we need less spending in DC....and we need to eventually address the 800 lb gorillas in the room...social security and medicare

    no one wants to discuss...it is the can the always gets kicked down the road to the "next" guy

    well....the payments are about due, and the credits cards are about maxxed....

    someone better start paying attention soon
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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    two candidates on the ballot

    one with a D

    one with a R

    that is what most people see and know

    the fact the the candidates that your party or mine arent exactly what we want to represent OUR party matters little to them

    we get one choice D or R

    and i will let you be the one to vote for the OTHER party...okay

    you be the one to vote for the brave new world
    If that's the case, the reasonable course would be to work within the Republican party to make its' fiscal conservationism stronger and more effective, rather that blaming the Democrats. Taking responsibility is the first step toward empowerment.

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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    The only people I know in real life that identify as Republican are social conservatives. Abortion is their issue. In local elections they go after who suits them otherwise - usually Dems.

    Some have indicated they really do not see R V W going anywhere so they cannot see their way to voting for Trump (again)

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    Re: Why Do Republicans Consider Themselves Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by rickc View Post
    I have always wondered why they claimed that title while running up trillions of dollars in debt.

    Do Republicans just ignore the fiscal side of conservatism and focus on church, abortion, hating gays and other issues. Is that what conservatism means to republicans?
    Many Republicans are now fascists, not conservatives. Actual conservatives are a dying species in the Republican party.
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