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Democrats -- what do you want your leadership to do?

Democrats Only -- what do you want your leadership do?

  • Start impeachment proceedings immediately

    Votes: 16 48.5%

  • Hold off on impeachment until after the 2020 election (if he wins again)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Neither - focus all attention on winning the 2020 election

    Votes: 7 21.2%

  • Something else

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • Total voters
    33
JMR said:
Since Mueller stated today that Trump is guilty of crimes but could not be indicted as a sitting president, and his report lays out 10 or so crimes, Congress should proceed with their investigations.

Mueller also stated that EVERYONE should read the report. Maybe if a few more Congressmen do so a wake call might arrive. It is inconceivable to me that only Weld is making a challenge at this very compromised president.

Mueller also indicated that Barr's interpretation of the report was incorrect. Barr should be held accountable for that.

The Senate is not going to act in a nonpolitical manner at this time. If the investigations uncover more information, or publicize the information already contained in the report that situation might change. Best thing that could come of it is Mitch visiting the Oval, and delivering some bad news to Donald.

As Nancy Pelosi stated, Congress can walk and chew gum at the same time. Start passing some legislation, continue holding town halls where actual policy can be explained and debated. I have never heard Trump discuss an actual policy other the Build a Wall. But at the same time continue the investigations, and charge anyone who ignores a subpoena.

No time line. Trump would like to force an impeachment procedure so he can play victim to his fawning supporters, while knowing he is safe in the breeze with an ineffectual Senate.
Gather the evidence and pass it on to jurisdictions that will be able to deal with it come January 2021.
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I would agree except that Trump is impeding any more investigation and refusing to honor the subpoenas, and his minions have no interest in supplying this committee with squat. The committee is not going to find some smoking gun without the powers of enforcement that Mueller had at his disposal. While I am all for the effort regardless of what the end decision becomes, I honestly don't think there is much more to learn or uncover in these hearings.

It is also true that calling these hearings' impeachment' hearings, definitely will provide a greater case for successful judicial review of efforts to enforce the Congressional power to subpoena over executive objections.

I think Dems should follow Pelosi's lead and take things slow and methodically and avoid more mention of 'impeachmen't than is necessary to spell out an unrefutable legislative purpose obliging the enforcement of those subpoenas.
 
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Surprised to learn that some of these people are Democrats.


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Begin the inquiry, issue subpoenas and impeach if they find that Mueller was correct with his charges of obstruction. With a Democratic majority he will most likely be impeached. It is their responsibility as members of Congress. The GOP Senate will either try and convict or not. The Constitution demands that Congress has the authority to protect the integrity and administration of justice.
 
American said:
You prove my point the Independents are really Democrats.
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There are several Independent Moderators who would dispute that; need I name them?
 
Please, please continue on the path they're on. Identity politics, open borders, Socialism, class warfare, globalization, big government and above all keep stalking Trump. Don't bother getting anything done. That's the ticket !! BTW; keeping the same tired old liberals in charge of the party is also a plus.
 
JMR said:
Since Mueller stated today that Trump is guilty of crimes but could not be indicted as a sitting president, and his report lays out 10 or so crimes, Congress should proceed with their investigations.

Mueller also stated that EVERYONE should read the report. Maybe if a few more Congressmen do so a wake call might arrive. It is inconceivable to me that only Weld is making a challenge at this very compromised president.

Mueller also indicated that Barr's interpretation of the report was incorrect. Barr should be held accountable for that.

The Senate is not going to act in a nonpolitical manner at this time. If the investigations uncover more information, or publicize the information already contained in the report that situation might change. Best thing that could come of it is Mitch visiting the Oval, and delivering some bad news to Donald.

As Nancy Pelosi stated, Congress can walk and chew gum at the same time. Start passing some legislation, continue holding town halls where actual policy can be explained and debated. I have never heard Trump discuss an actual policy other the Build a Wall. But at the same time continue the investigations, and charge anyone who ignores a subpoena.

No time line. Trump would like to force an impeachment procedure so he can play victim to his fawning supporters, while knowing he is safe in the breeze with an ineffectual Senate.
Gather the evidence and pass it on to jurisdictions that will be able to deal with it come January 2021.
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How does it feel to live so far out from reality?
 
Parrish said:
Begin the inquiry, issue subpoenas and impeach if they find that Mueller was correct with his charges of obstruction. With a Democratic majority he will most likely be impeached. It is their responsibility as members of Congress. The GOP Senate will either try and convict or not. The Constitution demands that Congress has the authority to protect the integrity and administration of justice.
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Do you have any concept of how things work?
 
Impeachment inquiry and proceedings are the move. I want republican senators on record voting against impeachment while they're trying to get reelected in purple and purple red states amid a massive 2020 blue wave.
 
Something else. The House should sue the DOJ to force the Supreme Court to rule on the DOJ’s policy granting the Executive an extra-Constitutional power of immunity from criminal prosecution.
 
ajn678 said:
How does it feel to live so far out from reality?
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Just a suggestion..... your MAGA hat might be cutting off circulation to the brain. If you would like to point out exactly where I am removed from reality please do so. Otherwise, refrain from cheap shots. ;)
 
JMR said:
Just a suggestion..... your MAGA hat might be cutting off circulation to the brain. If you would like to point out exactly where I am removed from reality please do so. Otherwise, refrain from cheap shots. ;)
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For starters, your first sentence wasn't accurate. Also, I don't have a MAGA hat. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
ajn678 said:
For starters, your first sentence wasn't accurate. Also, I don't have a MAGA hat. Sorry to disappoint you.
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My first sentence was completely accurate. Perhaps you missed the news conference. Mueller declares his Russia report did not exonerate Trump

Special counsel Robert Mueller said Wednesday that charging President Donald Trump with a crime was “not an option” because of federal rules, but he used his first public remarks on the Russia investigation to emphasize that he did not exonerate the president.

“If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” Mueller declared.

The special counsel’s remarks stood as a pointed rebuttal to Trump’s repeated claims that he was cleared and that the two-year inquiry was merely a “witch hunt.”
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If you are missing the MAGA hat, there must be another explanation for your confusion over exactly what Mueller said.
 
JMR said:
My first sentence was completely accurate. Perhaps you missed the news conference. Mueller declares his Russia report did not exonerate Trump



If you are missing the MAGA hat, there must be another explanation for your confusion over exactly what Mueller said.
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Mueller did not state that Trump committed a crime but they couldn't indict a sitting President. Stop lying. In fact, he stated he could not state this one way or the other due to DOJ policy. Again, you should probably do a single ounce of research before spouting off bull****.
 
ajn678 said:
Mueller did not state that Trump committed a crime but they couldn't indict a sitting President. Stop lying. In fact, he stated he could not state this one way or the other due to DOJ policy. Again, you should probably do a single ounce of research before spouting off bull****.
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Mueller stated that IF it was thought Trump was not guilty the report would state that. Instead the report covers at least 10 instances of possible obstruction, and the statement that a sitting president could not be charged, and that there was another agency for continuing the investigation. He stated that since a president could not be charged, it would be unfair to state charges which had no venue of defending against same. Of course recognizing the meaning of Mueller's statement requires overlooking Trump tweets and Barr smoke and mirrors, Fox News and self delusion.

I object to being called a liar. I will refrain from calling you the same, and leave it at you like to believe what you think no matter how ill informed you may be.
 
JMR said:
Mueller stated that IF it was thought Trump was not guilty the report would state that. Instead the report covers at least 10 instances of possible obstruction, and the statement that a sitting president could not be charged, and that there was another agency for continuing the investigation. He stated that since a president could not be charged, it would be unfair to state charges which had no venue of defending against same. Of course recognizing the meaning of Mueller's statement requires overlooking Trump tweets and Barr smoke and mirrors, Fox News and self delusion.

I object to being called a liar. I will refrain from calling you the same, and leave it at you like to believe what you think no matter how ill informed you may be.
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I'm sorry that you object to being called a liar. Maybe don't lie in your first sentence of your posts? That would probably lead to not being called out so often.
 
ajn678 said:
I'm sorry that you object to being called a liar. Maybe don't lie in your first sentence of your posts? That would probably lead to not being called out so often.
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There was no lie, and your feeble attempt to call it that hardly leads to being called out often. It's really sad you can not comprehend exactly what Mueller stated today and need to resort to this sad road to nowhere.
 
JMR said:
There was no lie, and your feeble attempt to call it that hardly leads to being called out often. It's really sad you can not comprehend exactly what Mueller stated today and need to resort to this sad road to nowhere.
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JMR said:
Since Mueller stated today that Trump is guilty of crimes but could not be indicted as a sitting president, and his report lays out 10 or so crimes, Congress should proceed with their investigations.
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This is a lie. Either a lie or you can admit that you were confused by what Mueller stated. Which was it?
 
ajn678 said:
This is a lie. Either a lie or you can admit that you were confused by what Mueller stated. Which was it?
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Mueller said Trump could not be charged as a sitting president.
Mueller said that IF Trump were not guilty of crimes the report would state so.

Mueller's report (which he says is his testimony) lays out at least ten instances of obstruction.

Mueller stated that at this time only Congress can carry forward on these crimes.

On which point are you confused?
 
JMR said:
Mueller said Trump could not be charged as a sitting president.
Mueller said that IF Trump were not guilty of crimes the report would state so.

Mueller's report (which he says is his testimony) lays out at least ten instances of obstruction.

Mueller stated that at this time only Congress can carry forward on these crimes.

On which point are you confused?
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Are you seriously trying to do this still lol. Just admit you lied and got called out on it.

Mueller actually said this: If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.

This is almost impossible to prove. In fact, no reasonable lawyer would even try to state something like this in good faith.

Sorry if "lawyer speak" confuses you, however you are radically unprepared to understand what is going on it seems.
 
ajn678 said:
Are you seriously trying to do this still lol. Just admit you lied and got called out on it.

Mueller actually said this: If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.

This is almost impossible to prove. In fact, no reasonable lawyer would even try to state something like this in good faith.

Sorry if "lawyer speak" confuses you, however you are radically unprepared to understand what is going on it seems.
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Sorry that you do not comprehend simple English. Most of the universe understands that Mueller's investigation did not clear the President of obstruction of justice, and clearly passed if off to Congress since the DOJ's policy forbids charging a sitting president. I see you are taking on the position of disparaging Mueller to base your claim of BAD MUELLER...GOOD TRUMP. Do note that even a Fox reporter (Napolitano) has accurately assessed Mueller's statement and it's implications for Trump.
“Effectively what Bob Mueller said is we had evidence that he committed a crime but we couldn't charge him because he's the president of United States -- This is even stronger than the language in his report” Judge Napolitano said.

“I think basically he’s saying the president can't be indicted otherwise we would have indicted him and we're not going to charge him with a crime because there's no forum in which for him… to refute the charges. But we could not say that he didn't commit a crime. Fill in the blank because we believe he did.”
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I'm sure in the coming months a light bulb of sorts might ignite in your brain as this all moves on to the next phase. Til then I guess you will enjoy your little bubble of self delusion.
 
ajn678 said:
Are you seriously trying to do this still lol. Just admit you lied and got called out on it.

Mueller actually said this: If we had had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.

This is almost impossible to prove. In fact, no reasonable lawyer would even try to state something like this in good faith.

Sorry if "lawyer speak" confuses you, however you are radically unprepared to understand what is going on it seems.
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Except, Mueller did EXACTLY THAT on the other of the two things he looked at, proof beyond a reasonable doubt of criminal conspiracy, saying that while his investigation was hampered by trump, he found no such evidence.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. You are wrong.
 
JMR said:
As Nancy Pelosi stated, Congress can walk and chew gum at the same time. Start passing some legislation...
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Except, they are already passing good legislation, but you don't hear about it because McConnell blocks all of it, and the press doesn't cover it - just like in Bush's last 2 years. We need to get the Senate and presidency in 2020. Sadly, we need a super-majority in the Senate.
 
WillyPete said:
Dems need to out talk Trump on policy.

Every time Trump says something stupid, they need someone to trot out and calmly explain why it's stupid and the better answer a competent leader would give.
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That was Hillary's strategy.

I'm sorry, but everyone for which that strategy will work is already voting for Democrats anyway. The sad reality is the Democratic candidate is going to make a more emotional connection. I don't like it, but it's reality.
 
ajn678 said:
How does it feel to live so far out from reality?
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You would probably have to be the one to tell us that.

Fox News own legal expert said himself that this is essentially what Robert Mueller said. Mueller firmly believes that if Trump were anybody but a sitting President he could have and would have indicted him.
 
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