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What is the proper sentence for an Abortion?

What is the sentence for an Abortion?

  • It's murder so Life in Prison for the performer.

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • Life for the mother.

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • No less than 5 years for the performer

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No less than 5 years for the woman.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No more than 5 years for the performer

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • no more than 5 years for the woman.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A fine for the performer

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A fine for the woman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I just want the clinics closed. No actual penalty.

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • I'm pro-choice so I realize all these answers are ****ing stupid.

    Votes: 50 86.2%

  • Total voters
    58
The only way to sterilize a woman is a tubal ligation. To my knowledge, that is not reversible.

On the other hand, a vasectomy is reversible. Why is the burden of a two-person consequence only visitied on the female? If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

There are reversible sterilization procedures for women. Why is it that women want unilateral choice but shared consequence for their choice?
 
There are reversible sterilization procedures for women. Why is it that women want unilateral choice but shared consequence for their choice?

And then cutting off the hands of pickpockets.

I think we have a plan here
 
But it is a penalty nonetheless.

No, it is what you think women should feel or would feel. It is entirely irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about what legal consequences are you prepared to levy against a woman who has an abortion.

If you believe that every woman having an abortion is "penalized" with a life time of regret then there is no rational reason to ban the practice in the first place. If a woman isn't afraid of that punishment then there's no reason to think she'll be concerned about the police either.
 
No, it is what you think women should feel or would feel. It is entirely irrelevant to this thread. This thread is about what legal consequences are you prepared to levy against a woman who has an abortion.

If you believe that every woman having an abortion is "penalized" with a life time of regret then there is no rational reason to ban the practice in the first place. If a woman isn't afraid of that punishment then there's no reason to think she'll be concerned about the police either.

Incorrect. I have known women who have expressed regret decades after an abortion.

And did I state every women is "penalized" with a life time of regret?

Let us check your reading comprehension.....

You left off "A lifetime of regret" for some women.

Reading comprehension fail.
 
Incorrect. I have known women who have expressed regret decades after an abortion.

And did I state every women is "penalized" with a life time of regret?

Let us check your reading comprehension.....

You left off "A lifetime of regret" for some women.

Reading comprehension fail.

The most common reported feeling is....

A sense of relief
 
Those are individual women. Not all women.

Did I say ALL women?

Lets see...

I have known women who have expressed regret decades after an abortion.


Women. Not ALL women.

In order for something to be a penalty it has to be consistently applied.

Laughably incorrect.

You don't seem to know what your own words mean.

And again. Incorrect.

Some =/= All

At least everywhere I have been.
 
I am a Trump supporter and pro choice..with that said I disagree with pro choice abortion proponents that an abortion is okay after the second trimester. Its not and if democratic presidential hopeful plan to run on an abortion issue that supports late term abortion at any time during a pregnancy they will have a very hard time with voters.

A recent CNN (pro abortion and very pro liberal) poll shown the following question:

When asked, “Do you think abortion should be legal under any circumstances, legal under only certain circumstances, legal in a few circumstances or illegal in all circumstances? ” CNN found the same 25 percent and 21 percent want either all abortions legal or all illegal. But, breaking down that 53 percent group further, CNN shows just 12 percent want abortions legal in most circumstances while 41 percent want most abortions to be made illegal.
62 percent of Americans want all or most abortions to be prohibited while only 37 percent of Americans want all or most abortions kept legal.

Do I want abortion kept legal like that 62%...absolutely... but restricted.
 
I voted for a fine for the performer. It wasn’t an option, but compulsory reversible sterilization for the woman.

Jesus Christ dude, you want the state steriziling people? Your values are not compatible with American values or our Constitution.
 
You left off "A lifetime of regret" for some women.

Studies show that most women do not. And whatever feelings they do have, they recognize that the decision was best for their lives and those of their families in the long run.

But hey that's a consequence, right? And I hear from pro-life people all that time that women deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions, so...? What's the problem? In life, we all have to live with difficult decisions we make, that doesnt make them the wrong decisions.
 
I am pro life but understand that abortions will be performed legally or illegally. I think a good compromise is no abortions after 12 weeks ( most are conducted before 8 weeks) unless there is a physical danger to the mother or for severe birth defects in the baby. So just decide early on that abortion. Make a decision. Aborting a healthy baby at 24 weeks, which the New York law allows, should be a crime.
 
I would say life in prison for the performer and some serious therapy for the mother because anyone, especially a mother, who thinks it's okay to have their own child killed has a ton of serious psychological problems, and they had been given extremely poor and very misguided education about pregnancy. Again, I contend that not only this has to deal with the killing of babies but ANYONE. I truly believe these hardcore "shout your abortion" crowd actually wants to make murder in general legal, but only for them. Of course it can be extended to true believers of Left wing ideology. Obama, when he was a candidate, basically said when it came to sick elderly people, instead of helping them, the government would give them a pill and "counsel" them on death (even when the vast majority of them have a will to live). The Left many times, including half scientist Richard Dawkins, said that babies that have downs syndrome or any other special needs need to be aborted immediately, even when they're healthy, because they said that crowd would "have a terrible life" while they're alive (when it's not even remotely true). They probably feel the same way about physically handicapped people and those they simply disagree with. So this issue of abortion IS important. If this floodgate isn't closed, well, we could live in a world where it's a lot like the Purge movie series, ran by the Left.

Sources for the bold please? A quarter of the women in America have had abortions and they all seem to be working and contributing and functioning just fine. I mean, wouldnt there be some serious societal and business failures if your comment was true...one quarter of adult women have serious psychological problems? I mean, women are much safer drivers than men...how's that possible if so incredibly psychologically impaired? Men are much much more prone to road rage and accidents. (just one example)
 
I am pro life but understand that abortions will be performed legally or illegally. I think a good compromise is no abortions after 12 weeks ( most are conducted before 8 weeks) unless there is a physical danger to the mother or for severe birth defects in the baby. So just decide early on that abortion. Make a decision. Aborting a healthy baby at 24 weeks, which the New York law allows, should be a crime.

That never happens, not even in the states where it's legal. If it is, please provide sources.
 
What is the proper sentence for an Abortion?

"If you don't like abortion, don't have one."

Dang that's good!

I'll stick with "abortion should be safe, legal, and rare."
 
There are reversible sterilization procedures for women. Why is it that women want unilateral choice but shared consequence for their choice?

What are they?
 
I am a Trump supporter and pro choice..with that said I disagree with pro choice abortion proponents that an abortion is okay after the second trimester. Its not

Sounds like you need to be educated on the reality of late term abortion. Only about 1-2% of all abortions take place in the third trimester and in those instance they are almost always done for one of three reasons.

1.) The life of the mother would be threatened by a continuation of the pregnancy.
2.) The fetus itself is malformed and will not survive outside of the womb anyway.
3.) Stupid laws in pro-life states as well as financial difficulties prevented the woman from getting an abortion much earlier.

These three scenarios literally cover 99.99999999% of all third trimester abortions.

So, by telling right wing pro-life idiots to stop being stupid we can eliminate #3.

The others are none of your god damn business. You cannot force a woman to risk her own life by continuing a pregnancy, and you cannot force a woman to continue a doomed presidency for two or three whole months knowing full well that the child growing inside her is going to die the instance she gives birth to it.

Here's the truth. The real reason Republicans want people like you focusing on late term abortions and children born after abortion is so they can pass regulation that will put an enormous financial burden on abortion clinics. There goal is to make the day to day operation of abortion clinics so astronomically expensive that they are not financially sustainable and are forced to close. Their goal is not to prevent late term abortion, their goal is to prevent ALL abortion. Your ignorance about the realities of late term abortion are helping them get away with it.
 
I would say life in prison for the performer and some serious therapy for the mother because anyone, especially a mother, who thinks it's okay to have their own child killed has a ton of serious psychological problems, and they had been given extremely poor and very misguided education about pregnancy.
Sounds to me like you should follow your own advice. Your clear emotional attachment to your child or the idea of a baby is causing you to think irrationally.

Nothing has a right to invade someone's body against their will. It doesn't matter how cut it is. Pregnancy is a life changing experience that is incredibly painful and traumatizing for many women.

Forcing someone to go through with a pregnancy is like forcing someone to go sky diving. It doesn't matter if you went sky diving and thought it was incredibly exhilarating and you wish you could do it again. You can't force someone else to do it under the assumption that the experience will be the same for them. That is a decision only they can make for themselves.
 
Nothing has a right to invade someone's body against their will. It doesn't matter how cut it is. Pregnancy is a life changing experience that is incredibly painful and traumatizing for many women.

Forcing someone to go through with a pregnancy is like forcing someone to go sky diving. It doesn't matter if you went sky diving and thought it was incredibly exhilarating and you wish you could do it again. You can't force someone else to do it under the assumption that the experience will be the same for them. That is a decision only they can make for themselves.

:applaud:applaud
 
Studies show that most women do not. And whatever feelings they do have, they recognize that the decision was best for their lives and those of their families in the long run.

But hey that's a consequence, right? And I hear from pro-life people all that time that women deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions, so...? What's the problem? In life, we all have to live with difficult decisions we make, that doesnt make them the wrong decisions.

All true.

My daughter took umbrage with the "no regrets" mindset. She believes if you have had no regrets in life you haven't lived your life. To the point she had the tattoo "Some regrets" added to her others.
 
Waddy; I am pro life but understand that abortions will be performed legally or illegally. I think a good compromise is no abortions after 12 weeks ( most are conducted before 8 weeks) unless there is a physical danger to the mother or for severe birth defects in the baby. So just decide early on that abortion. Make a decision. Aborting a healthy baby at 24 weeks, which the New York law allows, should be a crime.

That never happens, not even in the states where it's legal. If it is, please provide sources.

New York law;
women may choose to have an abortion prior to 24 weeks; pregnancies typically range from 38 to 42 weeks. After 24 weeks, such decisions must be made with a determination that there is an “absence of fetal viability” or that the procedure is “necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

In New York City, 2.3 percent of abortions were performed after 21 weeks. (Of note: New York counts pregnancy from fertilization, while the CDC’s measure includes the two weeks before.)

Addressing New York's New Abortion Law - FactCheck.org

"NEVER happens"... really?

On May 13 abortionist Kermit Gosnell was found guilty of the murder of three newborn children and the negligent death of one patient.[4]
He had been charged with eight counts of murder including seven babies who were born alive and then killed with scissors. Prosecutors said that he made millions of dollars over 30 years, performing as many illegal, late-term abortions as he could.

In May, Operation Rescue released a report revealing that 3 former staff members of the Aaron Women’s Clinic in Houston had come forward with evidence of horrific late term abortions conducted by abortionist Douglas Karpen.[6]
The informants provided photographic evidence (taken on their cell phones) of illegal late-term abortions. The photos depicted two babies aborted well beyond Texas’ legal limit of 24 weeks. Their necks had been cut. The physical condition of the babies revealed that they had likely been born alive and then subsequently killed.
Abortion Industry Negligence Nationwide:Highlighting the Most Egregious Offenses - Susan B. Anthony List

never.....
 
Jesus Christ dude, you want the state steriziling people? Your values are not compatible with American values or our Constitution.

That’s not what the Supreme Court said in Buck v Bell. In fact the Eighth Circuit, citing Buck v Bell has said as recently as 2001 that “It is true that involuntary sterilization is not always unconstitutional if it is a narrowly tailored means to achieve a compelling government interest.“
 
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