Gender Pay Inequality, Major Issue in 2020

Moderate Right said:

I gave you a break and voted "other" instead of voting "no" like everyone else did. It will be an issue for some far lefties but not for anyone else (typical of the arrogant left who think their issues are more important than the general public believe them to be). We already have laws in place regarding pay discrimination. If a woman feels she is being wronged she can report it and win if that is the case. It's a stupid issue because it's like wanting to pass laws against murder. Well, duh, there are already laws against murder. There are already laws against pay discrimination. We don't need yet another big bureaucracy checking on the pay of every working American because it will never stop. We will never reach a point where not one person in the US is slighted in some way. The absurd pc sjw's need to stop. One reason Trump was elected was because most Americans are sick of the pc sjw crap.

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Thanks for giving me a “break!”

pinqy said:

There is a gap in average pay between men and women.
Most of it can be explained by differences in education, experience, hours, and other quantifiable factors.
But some of the gap cannot be explained by anything we can measure.
There are other, non-discriminatory explanations (such as women are generally not as aggressive in salary negotiations), but you’d have to be an idiot to think that sex discrimination doesn’t occur often enough to have a contribution.

At the same time, gender segregation is more of the root problem: traditionally female jobs across the board pay less than similar male jobs.

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Kreton said:

Really?

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Marriage rates plummet when men don’t make more money than women. The existence of a pay gap is thus necessary for the continuation of civilized society.

Maybe women should choose occupations that pay more? My niece is a petroleum engineer and she makes more than most of the men I know.

Waddy said:

Maybe women should choose occupations that pay more? My niece is a petroleum engineer and she makes more than most of the men I know.

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It's always been stupid to compare apples to oranges. You just can't compare administrative assistants to garbage pickup persons and we don't need big brother checking up on who gets paid how much at every single business. There are already pay discrimination laws for like jobs.

ecofarm said:

Just because women boss you around does not mean the socialization of females does not take place.

These people with their anecdotal evidence. How pathetic. This is a debate website, not Facebook.

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I don't offer the idea that women are not Universally passive as anything other than simple observation. However, this is based on a long life of observation.

Depending on how you are interpreting the term, "Socialization" affects us all in various ways. Some are good and some are bad.

Applying a blanket statement to all females defining them as "passive" is what is pathetic.

I hope that you test your assertion regarding female passivity by informing all of the women you encounter over the next month that they have been socialized into passivity.

You may want to read this if you survive the various encounters:

The Female Of The Species Poem by Rudyard Kipling - Poem Hunter

Rexedgar said:

Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?

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There is no Gender Pay Inequality. Women miss 16% more work and their healthcare is 4, that is four, times more expensive than men's. That is the source of the inequality accusations.
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This isn't a factor at all. The only people thinking about this are feminazis. Right now, the economy is roaring with wages going up across the board and more jobs are now being taken. If you want to find out where there are issues in that area, look at these Leftist politicians and Hollywood executives. They treat women like $#!t. With a few exceptions here and there, women are already getting paid very well. This gender pay gap issue is such a straw-man argument. If you're a woman and you're not getting paid the same amount as your male counter-parts, consider this:

-what work do you do?

-what work do your male counterparts do?

-how much time and effort do you put into work?

-how much time and effort do your male counterparts put into work?

If you're in a lower position than your male counterpart, they're going to get paid more. Same goes if you're in a higher position. If you're in the same position but not putting forth the effort as your male counterpart, you won't paid as much. Again, same goes with the male counterpart. If you're doing the same amount of work and you're in the same position as your male counterpart, talk to whoever is in charge. Once more, same goes with the male counterpart. It can happen with 2 people of the same gender, but it ultimately comes down to what kind and amount of work you're doing. There are crappy bosses out there, but you have the power to quit if they're promising something to you but never come through, especially if you're a good hard-worker that puts out good products. That happens to men and women, but that doesn't mean you lie down and become a victim. So if your great crusade is to go out give yourself more and take away more from other to enrich yourself through government, you not only understand the value of work and the dollar, but you also don't respect either one.

Rexedgar said:

Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?

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Once controls for variables are put in place, there is no gender pay gap.

Slavister said:

According to payscale that apparently controlled for "same jobs", the gap is ~2%





Aggressiveness in negotiations and more time out of work are two contributing factors for remaining 2%.

Is there some sex discrimination component too? Maybe so. If there is, it does not appear to be large.



Traditionally... maybe... but apparently not much less anymore - see above.

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More time out of work is a major issue. Women have different goals than men. One of which is the maternal instinct.

DaveFagan said:

There is no Gender Pay Inequality. Women miss 16% more work and their healthcare is 4, that is four, times more expensive than men's. That is the source of the inequality accusations.
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There's also the matter that women will often take off 10 or more years to raise a family. When they return to the job market their former male colleagues are now the ones with seniority and the promotions.

I'd like to see Democrats pass a bill where male porn stars are paid as much as female ones.

jimbo said:

There's also the matter that women will often take off 10 or more years to raise a family. When they return to the job market their former male colleagues are now the ones with seniority and the promotions.

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My oldest son was in the state Army National Guard, and was deployed twice; once to Bosnia and again to Iraq. In his regular job as a police officer he missed out on promotions because of it. So guys that went through the Police Academy with him were farther along in their careers, and therefore pay scale.

No complaining, Just how it goes. Everybody makes their choices, then they live with it. But don't whine about it later.

Waddy said:

My oldest son was in the state Army National Guard, and was deployed twice; once to Bosnia and again to Iraq. In his regular job as a police officer he missed out on promotions because of it. So guys that went through the Police Academy with him were farther along in their careers, and therefore pay scale.

No complaining, Just how it goes. Everybody makes their choices, then they live with it. But don't whine about it later.

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Yup. That was my personal experience.

Gender Pay Gap Major Issue 2020?

Other.

It will certainly be a campaign issue for some candidates, but not a major collective issue like healthcare, the environment, immigration, economic inequality, gun violence, etc.

code1211 said:

I don't offer the idea that women are not Universally

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That claim is too stupid to continue reading. It's the logic and reason ability of a 4 year old. Just sad.

As if it must be universal to be significant. So much stupid I can't believe it's real.

Waddy said:

My oldest son was in the state Army National Guard, and was deployed twice; once to Bosnia and again to Iraq. In his regular job as a police officer he missed out on promotions because of it. So guys that went through the Police Academy with him were farther along in their careers, and therefore pay scale.

No complaining, Just how it goes. Everybody makes their choices, then they live with it. But don't whine about it later.

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And that is illegal under USERRA. Your son was entitled to any promotions/pay raises he would have gotten if not deployed.

pinqy said:

And that is illegal under USERRA. Your son was entitled to any promotions/pay raises he would have gotten if not deployed.

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Yeah, right. How do you prove that? Promotions on a police department are competitive; he wasn't there to compete. In fact, he was up for a promotion after he got back from his last deployment, but a different officer was selected. Off the record his superior told him the department didn't think he was dependable because he was always off on training missions, military schools, and actual deployments. Yeah, might not be legal, but it is what it is. And going to court over it wouldn't gain him any favors with the department. Better to leave with a good reference.

In the 7 years he was a police officer he often had to cancel family plans, couldn't really buy tickets to anything ahead of time, because he never knew when he might be called in. He would be contacted some time during the last hour of his shift and told he needed to work 4 hrs over because the next guy called in (And they would call the next shift officer to come in 4 hours early). They are a large department but don't have any real "floating" officers. If he gave out a traffic ticket it would be scheduled for a day he was scheduled to work; but if the person receiving the ticket got a "continuance", it might fall on my son's day off. He had to appear, suited up, and the department would pay him for the day. But he still lost the day off, and maybe cancel some plans of his own. He also worked about half of the holidays.

BTW: Being in the military was no piece of cake. And people wonder why the divorce rate is so high in law enforcement and the military.

Now he is a public school principal. Makes twice what he did as a police officer, and can actually keep his promises to watch his kids play ball, go to the zoo, take a vacation, etc. So he would have no real interest in re-hashing the unfairness he experienced. He's probably glad it helped him to decide to leave.

ecofarm said:

That claim is too stupid to continue reading. It's the logic and reason ability of a 4 year old. Just sad.

As if it must be universal to be significant. So much stupid I can't believe it's real.

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Your greatest strength: ignoring anything that undermines your bias.

AmNat said:

Marriage rates plummet when men don’t make more money than women. The existence of a pay gap is thus necessary for the continuation of civilized society.

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I cannot think of a response that doesn't result in my suspension.

code1211 said:

Your greatest strength: ignoring anything that undermines your bias.

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Pretending anecdotal evidence means anything is stupid. It's horrifically stupid to pretend one's anecdotal evidence counters all real evidence, statistics and facts. It's a way to go through life thinking one knows everything, and it's unbelievably pathetic.

I don’t think that we should be concerned about genders. I think that the democrats want to force companies to pay equally and, I do agree with that but, do you think that Jeff bozos does this? What about Tim Cook?

no Obama already put intio law that all federal employees doing the same job must be paid the same... private companies need to step-up

Well it all depends how you define "major issue".

But I think not.

When you have climate change, major societal and economic issues, ongoing infrastructure problems, diplomatic problems, trade wars, multiple actual wars and conflicts, not to mention the attempt to start a new one....

Gender pay gap is a fake meme made by idiots that don't know anything about statistics.

Rexedgar said:

Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?

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In spite of it being a lie, it still could be a campaign issue. Then again increasing the availability of electrolytes could also be a campaign issue.