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Gender Pay Inequality, Major Issue in 2020

Gender Pay Gap Major Issue 2020?

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Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?
 
The socialization of females to be passive and businesses taking advantage of that is a major issue but I doubt it will be a top 5 in the campaign.
 
The Gender Pay Gap is one of those annoying myths that is used far too often...
 
It's not an issue for me personally.

I get the paid the same as my male work colleagues who have the same level of experience/qualifications that I do. Nothing more, nothing less, just as it should be.
 
Rexedgar said:
Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?
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You would first need to specify by what you mean by gender pay gap, or the kind of specification that you believe is currently being used in the political arena.

Because as it stands. The gender pay gap that is commonly pushed these days, especially on the left. Is a complete lie.
 
AmNat said:
The pay gap doesn’t exist, but it should.
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Bodhisattva said:
The Gender Pay Gap is one of those annoying myths that is used far too often...
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molten_dragon said:
No, the gender pay gap is too easy to debunk.
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There is a gap in average pay between men and women.
Most of it can be explained by differences in education, experience, hours, and other quantifiable factors.
But some of the gap cannot be explained by anything we can measure.
There are other, non-discriminatory explanations (such as women are generally not as aggressive in salary negotiations), but you’d have to be an idiot to think that sex discrimination doesn’t occur often enough to have a contribution.

At the same time, gender segregation is more of the root problem: traditionally female jobs across the board pay less than similar male jobs.
 
pinqy said:
There is a gap in average pay between men and women.
Most of it can be explained by differences in education, experience, hours, and other quantifiable factors.
But some of the gap cannot be explained by anything we can measure.
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According to payscale that apparently controlled for "same jobs", the gap is ~2%

payscale said:
The controlled gender pay gap, which controls for a number of factors such as job title, years of experience, industry and location so that the only differentiation between workers is their gender, shrunk by just $0.008 since 2015. Women now make $0.98 for every dollar an equivalent man makes.
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pinqy said:
There are other, non-discriminatory explanations (such as women are generally not as aggressive in salary negotiations), but you’d have to be an idiot to think that sex discrimination doesn’t occur often enough to have a contribution.
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Aggressiveness in negotiations and more time out of work are two contributing factors for remaining 2%.

Is there some sex discrimination component too? Maybe so. If there is, it does not appear to be large.

pinqy said:
At the same time, gender segregation is more of the root problem: traditionally female jobs across the board pay less than similar male jobs.
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Traditionally... maybe... but apparently not much less anymore - see above.
 
Another contributing factor is connected to seniority. Say two people work in a factory, doing the same job. The person who has worked for the company longer will usually get paid more than a newbie, even though both do the same job. This is called seniority. Seniority can result not only in higher pay, but extra benefits like more vacation, even while doing the same job.

The new person, just starting out, does not automatically start at the same wage as someone who has been with the company ten years. Men, on the average, tend to work more hours, annually, than do women. Therefore men will accumulate seniority pay and benefits each year; few percent. This results in slighter higher pay. If this wrong, then all union contracts need to be reworked. The feminists need to nag at the union bosses.

This brings to mind how government or public sector workers get more holidays, than most private sector workers, on the average, even if they do same types of jobs. Is this the same type of discrimination?
 
I'd say it's a big issue for leftists.

If women make less money for the same work, then all a company need to do to be more profitable is avoid hiring men.
 
The gender pay gap exists. The reason it exists is what is being discussed. Politicians and talking heads are pandering to the most dumb among us who think average pay of women v. average pay of men being different MUST mean sexism. People who honestly think that's all there is to is are irreversibly stupid -- and the politicians and talking heads who thrive on that know it.

There are numerous factors that go into the gender pay gap:

Type of job
Education
Experience
Effectiveness
Dedication
Hours worked
Over-time
Time off/vacation
Asking for promotions

It's already against the law for an employer to pay a women less for a job that a man of equal everything (experience, dedication, hours, education, etc.) is given. So what NEW law is going to make women choose jobs that will increase their average pay so it's at the same level as men?
 
No one candidates are going to take a stance against gender equality and pay so it won't be a big issue. We will have the normal finger pointing of people claiming their opponent treats women differently - but it won't play any real role. The people who are going to vote for Trump are ok with his sexual misconduct, affairs, assaults and rape allegations. Certainly the idea of him paying women less won't matter. Those who think gender pay is a real, and big issue are pretty much all on the left and pretty deeply entrenched on the left and their vote is locked up. I don't think there are many actual undecided voters who view this as their top concern.
 
molten_dragon said:
No, the gender pay gap is too easy to debunk.
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It is also extremely difficult to define. It is usually presented in a correlation simply must indicate causation manner. It is interesting that the proposed solution is never to (retroactively?) reduce the pay of the "overcompensated" males.
 
Rexedgar said:
Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?
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Only to divisive, socialist, baby killing, law breaking, victims looking for excuses to justify failure or incite hatred and division.

The Democrat Nominee will embrace this issue and a crushing removal of freedom to support a solution that will do something entirely unrelated to any solution for the described issue.

The newly mandated Department of Vagina Enhanced Incorporated Ladies (DEVIL) will address this important issue with programs that force employers to stop hiring both genders.

If all employees are the same gender, there can be no gender based pay discrimination. DEVILs will assure biased enforcement of regulations and punishment of any non-union employer for any reason whatever.

Problem solved!
 
ecofarm said:
The socialization of females to be passive and businesses taking advantage of that is a major issue but I doubt it will be a top 5 in the campaign.
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Do you know any females?
 
code1211 said:
Only to divisive, socialist, baby killing, law breaking, victims looking for excuses to justify failure or incite hatred and division.

The Democrat Nominee will embrace this issue and a crushing removal of freedom to support a solution that will do something entirely unrelated to any solution for the described issue.

The newly mandated Department of Vagina Enhanced Incorporated Ladies (DEVIL) will address this important issue with programs that force employers to stop hiring both genders.

If all employees are the same gender, there can be no gender based pay discrimination. DEVILs will assure biased enforcement of regulations and punishment of any non-union employer for any reason whatever.

Problem solved!
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link ?
 
code1211 said:
Do you know any females?
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Just because women boss you around does not mean the socialization of females does not take place.

These people with their anecdotal evidence. How pathetic. This is a debate website, not Facebook.
 
One mitigating factors are considered, there is NO "pay gap". The issue is simply politics, which doesn't rely on truth.
 
pinqy said:
There is a gap in average pay between men and women.
Most of it can be explained by differences in education, experience, hours, and other quantifiable factors.
But some of the gap cannot be explained by anything we can measure.
There are other, non-discriminatory explanations (such as women are generally not as aggressive in salary negotiations), but you’d have to be an idiot to think that sex discrimination doesn’t occur often enough to have a contribution.

At the same time, gender segregation is more of the root problem: traditionally female jobs across the board pay less than similar male jobs.
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I don't think that anybody states that sex discrimination does not occur... and there are pay gaps between men that occur just as naturally, or easily explained, as they do to women.
 
Rexedgar said:
Do you feel the gender pay gap is a major campaign issue?
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I gave you a break and voted "other" instead of voting "no" like everyone else did. It will be an issue for some far lefties but not for anyone else (typical of the arrogant left who think their issues are more important than the general public believe them to be). We already have laws in place regarding pay discrimination. If a woman feels she is being wronged she can report it and win if that is the case. It's a stupid issue because it's like wanting to pass laws against murder. Well, duh, there are already laws against murder. There are already laws against pay discrimination. We don't need yet another big bureaucracy checking on the pay of every working American because it will never stop. We will never reach a point where not one person in the US is slighted in some way. The absurd pc sjw's need to stop. One reason Trump was elected was because most Americans are sick of the pc sjw crap.
 
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