Should Mueller testify and why/why not?

Moderate Right said:

That's just it. The left thinks that if Mueller testifies he will say something different than what was in the report. In my opinion, the Democrats are fools for wanting Mueller to testify because it will make them look petty and partisan. Democrats refuse to accept no for an answer. This will backfire on them and as such I hope Mueller testifies.

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Good points all! However Mueller if at all possible will desire to stay away from testifying. After all he kept this probe
going for two years when he, if he's intelligent as advertised, knew after about a month that there was absolutely no
collusion. That will come up and he is not interested in explaining why he extended for so long the wild goose chase!

slick said:

Good points all! However Mueller if at all possible will desire to stay away from testifying. After all he kept this probe
going for two years when he, if he's intelligent as advertised, knew after about a month that there was absolutely no
collusion. That will come up and he is not interested in explaining why he extended for so long the wild goose chase!

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The main focus will be on obstruction of justice. Mueller will testify something to the effect of, "Yes, Trump did some questionable things that could be construed as obstruction of justice through interpretation but I did not indict because the bottom line goes to intent and it would be too difficult to prove what Trump's actual intent was. So, I left it up to others to determine that". Of course the Democrats will interpret intent in their politically partisan way but, in the end, Mueller was right. You can't convict because you can't prove what Trump's actual intent really was because Trump is the only one who knows what his intent was. It all comes down to, will the House impeach based on their interpretation of Trump's intent, knowing that the Senate will interpret Trump's intent in a totally different way? What's the best way to use all of this to their partisan advantage? I think they know that talking impeachment up as much as possible is the best way to go, without actually impeaching Trump because that would ultimately backfire.

uptower said:

Very simple poll. Trump says he shouldn't testify. Congress says he should.

It seems to me both sides get to grill him and expose any potential wrongdoing (of his or his subjects) so airing it out makes good sense.

If you think he should or should not testify, vote and state why/why not in a comment.

Since I forgot to add an actual poll just drop a "yes he should/no he shouldn't" at the start.

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Yes, I'm ok with it.
Only problem is it will almost certainly just cause more dust up by democrats and give more fuel for their endless investigations. That would be fine if it appeared there was any real reason to do so but its been investigated by committees and more importantly by Mueller and much to the disappointment of the democrats Mueller issued no indictments for collusion or obstruction. Until the democrats admit they gave it their best shot and it failed, the country cannot move on. The blame for the divide in the country now rest solely on democrats. Only they can stop this partisan fighting and they don't seem to want to do that.

MovingPictures said:

Democrats have to be ready for the fact that Republicans can just as easily capture the narrative as they can, the most important being that, for however blatant the obstruction was, there was no underlying conspiracy with the Russians discovered, and you can bet Mueller will affirm that.

The most important questions will unfortunately occur behind closed doors, with the intelligence committees. That's where questions of Trump's financial history with Russian and eastern European nationals, and possible money laundering at his hotels will occur, not with the Judiciary committees.

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Do you really believe that the democrat lawyers on the Mueller team did not look into Trumps financials? That is highly unlikely since they seem to have been hell bent on finding something on him. This is evident by the Mueller letter to Barr whining about "failure to capture the context, nature and substance of our work". Really? Well why did you not charge Trump? Because you know you had nothing criminal you could prove and that's what it's all about in this country.

haymarket said:

Of course Muller should testify before a committee of the House and do so in public on TV for all Americans to see. And it should be soon.

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Mueller released the report for all to see, so what is left except House Democrats grandstanding.

antiquity said:

Mueller released the report for all to see, so what is left except House Democrats grandstanding.

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And it shows definite criminal activity from Trump.

Since it appears that Robert Mueller is the last man standing in D.C. that both sides agree still has any integrity and is committed to the rule of law, I don't see any reason he shouldn't testify.

antiquity said:

Mueller released the report for all to see, so what is left except House Democrats grandstanding.

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Mueller did no such thing. He handed the report in to Barr who released a summary that Mueller calls inaccurate and a heavily censored version of the whole. He, Barr, an appointed bureaucrat, is in defiance of the elected Congress and it looks like the only way the truth of things will be allowed to come out is through Mueller's testimony to Congress.

haymarket said:

And it shows definite criminal activity from Trump.

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In the eyes of the left who refuse to accept the results of the Mueller report.

Grand Mal said:

Mueller did no such thing. He handed the report in to Barr who released a summary that Mueller calls inaccurate and a heavily censored version of the whole. He, Barr, an appointed bureaucrat, is in defiance of the elected Congress and it looks like the only way the truth of things will be allowed to come out is through Mueller's testimony to Congress.

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The summary is very old history. The report has been released and Mueller said none of the released report is inaccurate.

Moderate Right said:

In the eyes of the left who refuse to accept the results of the Mueller report.

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I love the results of the Mueller Report - especially Volume II and all the evidence of obstruction of justice by Trump.

And I love the line in The Introduction to Volume I where Mueller says right up front ..."A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that there was no evidence of those facts."

btw - that is a WHOLE SENTENCE.

It seems Trump and Barr and their supporters here missed that one.

haymarket said:

I love the results of the Mueller Report - especially Volume II and all the evidence of obstruction of justice by Trump.

And I love the line in The Introduction to Volume I where Mueller says right up front ..."A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean that there was no evidence of those facts."

btw - that is a WHOLE SENTENCE.

It seems Trump and Barr and their supporters here missed that one.

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And yet the House is never going to impeach Trump. Trump will be president through his first whole term. Put those sticks up under your fingernails.

Moderate Right said:

And yet the House is never going to impeach Trump. Trump will be president through his first whole term. Put those sticks up under your fingernails.

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Time will tell.

uptower said:

Very simple poll. Trump says he shouldn't testify. Congress says he should.

It seems to me both sides get to grill him and expose any potential wrongdoing (of his or his subjects) so airing it out makes good sense.

If you think he should or should not testify, vote and state why/why not in a comment.

Since I forgot to add an actual poll just drop a "yes he should/no he shouldn't" at the start.

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Doesn’t matter. It won’t change anyone’s mind.

Moderate Right said:

In the eyes of the left who refuse to accept the results of the Mueller report.

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If it showed definite criminal acts by President Trump, it would have resulted in a charge. That someone who stacked his staff with anti-Trump lawyers couldn't find anything says volumes. The President has undergone a paper Prostrate exam that some here couldn't come away with uncharged.
Regards,
CP.

uptower said:

Very simple poll. Trump says he shouldn't testify. Congress says he should.

It seems to me both sides get to grill him and expose any potential wrongdoing (of his or his subjects) so airing it out makes good sense.

If you think he should or should not testify, vote and state why/why not in a comment.

Since I forgot to add an actual poll just drop a "yes he should/no he shouldn't" at the start.

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On the contrary, when you realize that Robert Mueller didn’t select the team; rather the preexisting team selected their figurehead, Robert Mueller; then results make sense. Robert Mueller can never be allowed to testify to congress because if questioned he actually has very little understanding of what took place.
Mueller cannot testify to Congress and get in front of the cameras. Deep State participants in the Democrat and Republican parties don’t want him to speak out even though Americans demand answers and justice. The House (Nadler and Schiff) attempted to bring Mueller in for questions but then realized that this was not a good idea.

Moderate Right said:

And yet the House is never going to impeach Trump. Trump will be president through his first whole term. Put those sticks up under your fingernails.

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Very nice image -- 'put those sticks up your fingernails'. But I shouldn't be surprised at the viciousness of any Trumper.

Trump is a one man white collar crime wave. It goes way beyond what's in the Mueller report. We've seen defiant categorical obstruction of Congress and contempt of Congress when he ordered all his subordinates not to comply with subpoenas, not to testify, not to turn over documents. The democrats are very upset about violations of the emoluments clause and the fact that this president is continuing to collect millions of dollars from foreign governments like Saudi Arabia, UAE and the Chinese government wholly owned businesses and banks in the different Trump entrprises such as hotels and other enterprises.

People believe that just because the president is impeached that he's gone. That's not true. Remember that Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives and it went to the Senate and the Senate failed to convict by the requisite 2/3rds majority.

Despite what anyone says, Donald Trump does not want to be impeached. It would be humiliating for him globally, it would be a huge spectacle like nothing this country has ever seen played out on television. Impeaching Donald Trump, even in the House, and not removing him but stamping him with the stain of impeachment would be the biggest punishment the House could levy on Trump. Even without impeachment, Trump could still be prosecuted once he leaves office. This is why Trump doesn't plan to leave willingly -- ever.

Yes. He should be required to answer this question:

"If a sitting president could be indicted, based upon your investigation is there enough evidence for a jury to correctly unanimously convict Donald J Trump of obstruction of justice - yes or no? If yes, tell us the evidence."

If he refuses to answer, we should conclude that he refused and refuses to do his job - as that was his job. The same standard for a criminal prosecution should apply to an impeachment under the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights as a criminal prosecution, for which his ducking making that determination in his report is absurd.

joko104 said:

Yes. He should be required to answer this question:

"If a sitting president could be indicted, based upon your investigation is there enough evidence for a jury to correctly unanimously convict Donald J Trump of obstruction of justice - yes or no? If yes, tell us the evidence."

If he refuses to answer, we should conclude that he refused and refuses to do his job - as that was his job. The same standard for a criminal prosecution should apply to an impeachment under the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights as a criminal prosecution, for which his ducking making that determination in his report is absurd.

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Perhaps he should answer that question, among many, many others. Not least specifics of all the evidence they have against him, if the content of the report misses anything. And I would bear in mind that Mueller doesn't actually get to decide the case: in an impeachment that is still congress's job. He'll be a witness at that point - an important one, but just a witness.

uptower said:

Perhaps he should answer that question, among many, many others. Not least specifics of all the evidence they have against him, if the content of the report misses anything. And I would bear in mind that Mueller doesn't actually get to decide the case: in an impeachment that is still congress's job. He'll be a witness at that point - an important one, but just a witness.

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More importantly, like Clinton did, Trump should be compelled to testify. that's where the real meat of it is.

Unless he's an unreliable witness due to his mental condition...

uptower said:

More importantly, like Clinton did, Trump should be compelled to testify. that's where the real meat of it is.

Unless he's an unreliable witness due to his mental condition...

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LOL. In other words, you've got nuttin on Trump unless he puts his foot in his own mouth.