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How do your pre-Mueller-report and post-Mueller-report views align?

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To Whom It May Concern at DP Board Admin:

A 5-minute window in which to insert a poll is ridiculous. This thread is now useless. Please delete it.

Also, please consider allowing members at least 30 minutes to attach a poll. Composing meaningful questions and answers takes time.
 
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COTO said:
A poll to indulge the curiosity of a foreign observer. ;)
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Pretty much a straight line alignment.

I predicted Special Counsel Robert Mueller wouldn't reveal any direct Donald Trump collusion with any Russian Agents.

I predicted he would find crimes, specifically that Russian Agents did work to interfere in our 2016 Election.

That he did.

I was not surprised with the discovery of the crimes committed by people Trump had surrounded himself with.

From what I understand there are what, 14 more criminal referrals, that Special Counsel Mueller has made to other courts that we do not know the details of.

I think Special Counsel Robert Mueller did a fine job.
 
COTO said:
To Whom It May Concern at DP Board Admin:

A 5-minute window in which to insert a poll is ridiculous. This thread is now useless. Please delete it.

Also, please consider allowing members at least 30 minutes to attach a poll. Composing meaningful questions and answers takes time.
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I won't comment upon the posting window. But I can say some of us have managed to work within it, by preparing our narrative and poll selections in advance, then copying & pasting our work into the poll thread in real-time.
 
COTO said:
To Whom It May Concern at DP Board Admin:

A 5-minute window in which to insert a poll is ridiculous. This thread is now useless. Please delete it.

Also, please consider allowing members at least 30 minutes to attach a poll. Composing meaningful questions and answers takes time.
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Gotta walk before running.....you'll get the hang of it
 
COTO said:
To Whom It May Concern at DP Board Admin:

A 5-minute window in which to insert a poll is ridiculous. This thread is now useless. Please delete it.

Also, please consider allowing members at least 30 minutes to attach a poll. Composing meaningful questions and answers takes time.
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Better yet, since I made a fairly long post, create your Poll offline, or separately, as has already been suggested, then create a new thread and immediately attach the Poll, then ask the Mods to merge the posts here with the new thread.

Or not.

:2wave:
 
Rexedgar said:
Gotta walk before running.....you'll get the hang of it
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Ayup!

That is why I said to myself I was not going to start any threads or create any Polls here until I had at least a 1000 posts under my belt.

Getting close now.

But I am still learning the ropes here. The 5 Minute Time Limit on inserting a Poll is just one more thing I learned.
 
Chomsky said:
I won't comment upon the posting window. But I can say some of us have managed to work within it, by preparing our narrative and poll selections in advance, then copying & pasting our work into the poll thread in real-time.
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Ultimately what I had to do too.

It goes without saying the board still did its damndest to obstruct: on first submission, it complained about several poll options "exceeding 100 characters". The fields themselves allow well over 100 characters, and of course nothing is going to tell you how many characters you have in each field. Hence in the remaining handful of seconds I had prior to imminent timeout in my second attempt, I deleted words and tried to leave comprehensible poll options. Against all odds, I succeeded!

I beat you, vBulletin software with crummy presets! :lol:

You threw everything you had at me, but I still managed to complete a poll! Put that in your CPU and smoke it. :cool:
 
LouC said:
Pretty much a straight line alignment.

I predicted Special Counsel Robert Mueller wouldn't reveal any direct Donald Trump collusion with any Russian Agents.

I predicted he would find crimes, specifically that Russian Agents did work to interfere in our 2016 Election.

That he did.

I was not surprised with the discovery of the crimes committed by people Trump had surrounded himself with.

From what I understand there are what, 14 more criminal referrals, that Special Counsel Mueller has made to other courts that we do not know the details of.

I think Special Counsel Robert Mueller did a fine job.
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@LouC: Would you mind reposting in the second (successful) thread? The one with the actual poll. This one will likely be deleted.
 
COTO said:
Ultimately what I had to do too.

It goes without saying the board still did its damndest to obstruct: on first submission, it complained about several poll options "exceeding 100 characters". The fields themselves allow well over 100 characters, and of course nothing is going to tell you how many characters you have in each field. Hence in the remaining handful of seconds I had prior to imminent timeout in my second attempt, I deleted words and tried to leave comprehensible poll options. Against all odds, I succeeded!

I beat you, vBulletin software with crummy presets! :lol:

You threw everything you had at me, but I still managed to complete a poll! Put that in your CPU and smoke it. :cool:
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Hopefully your poll-creation trials and tribulations will not deter you from sticking around.

Speaking for myself, I enjoy hearing a non-Yank POV, and I'm happy to entertain the opinions of principled conservatives.

Good luck in your future polls.
 
How do your pre-Mueller-report and post-Mueller-report views align?
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First, I find the redacted Mueller report more expositive than I thought it would be.


  • My thoughts re: collusion:
    • Prior to Barr's summary letter --> I fully explicated my stance on that in another DP thread.
      • As I stated recently (April 5, 2019), and at least once before (March 22, 2019), I suspected Trump and his team may well find exculpation in being simply too stupid to be indicted for conspiring, with the Russians, to co-opt the US electoral process and sow discord among the polity.
        • The Mueller report illustrates not only Trump campaign personnel's naivete, self-serving unpatriotism, abject stupidity, unvarnished incompetence, willful ignorance and unadulterated contempt for USIC warnings of Russian meddling given, at the very least, to Trump (see" Russian "Active Measures" section, pp 14-65, though, frankly, page after page, as well in totality, of the "collusion" section of the report shows any one, if not several, of the noted qualities). On page 175, Mueller cites, albeit more dispassionately than I, the Trump team's being dumb as the day is long as the primary reason for his demurring to levy conspiracy charges against Trump campaign personnel.

          It's not that he found they didn't commit unlawful actus rei, it's that they were too naive/ignorant/stupid to know what they were doing is unlawful. Basically, Mueller accorded "Trump & Co." the mens rea line of defense the law inherently gives children.
        • Anotherr DP instances of my asserting or alluding to Trump's being to damn stupid to know what he's doing: Post 59 -- "NY prosecutors announce Manafort indictment..."
      • I posited that Mueller refrained from filing some charges due to their prosecutability in other jurisdictions. Remarks on page 174 show that is precisely one of Mueller's considerations.
      • I've before on DP stated that I thought Mueller was more interested in getting to the bottom of the Russian infiltration of the US electoral process and that he wasn't overburdened with sending folks to jail, but that he would prosecute folks when where their behavior inhibited his aims thereunto. The prosecution declination decisions section (p. 174) corroborates the legitimacy of my thinking thus.
      • I know I discussed with friends and acquaintances in DC and, IIRC, I on DP too noted that various witnesses' lying may have confounded Mueller's ability to obtain probative evidence of conspiratorial intent. (I cannot recall an uncommon-enough word I may have used in such a post and that would thereby abet my easily and quickly finding such a post(s), so I haven't linked to it/one.) Mueller notes that as a causal reason why he didn't file conspiracy indictments. Mueller expressly notes that complication on page 10.
    • March-April 2019 interregnum --> My stance remained unchanged.
    • Today --> My stance is unchanged, and the folks from whom I heard bits and pieces of scuttlebutt, some of which contributed to my forming the stance I hold, have, as expected, had their credibility upheld. I cannot claim the same of Trump and his cadre of cads, caitiffs and convicts.

      I'm piqued Mueller refrained from subpoenaing Trump's testimonial clarification and account of certain matters, particularly regarding Trump's written testimony Mueller felt inadequate. I believe Mueller remiss therefore. Moreover, I had rather he subpoenaed Trump for those clarifications because Mueller condoned or, minimally, acquiesced to the non-indictability of a sitting POTUS. Mueller's avowal thus obviated Trump's ability to plead the fifth and obtaining a complete and accurate understanding of the nature and extent of (1) Russian interactions with the Trump campaign US 2016 electoral process and (2) Russian substantive arrogation of the US electoral process.
 
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COTO said:
To Whom It May Concern at DP Board Admin:

A 5-minute window in which to insert a poll is ridiculous. This thread is now useless. Please delete it.

Also, please consider allowing members at least 30 minutes to attach a poll. Composing meaningful questions and answers takes time.
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Red:
There's a very simple way to overcome the time limit (I think it's 5 minutes) for attaching a poll:
  1. Think about, compose and edit the poll question and answer options before starting the thread, or at least before posting the OP. You need only know (1) there's a 100 character limit for each field (the question and the answer option) in the poll and (2) there is a maximum of ten answer options.
  2. Write the poll question and answers in the OP itself. That way, once you've submitted the OP, you can retrieve your thread/post from the Polls main page and quickly copy and past the poll question and answers from the OP to the poll itself.

For example:
How do your pre-Mueller-report and post-Mueller-report views align?
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  • [*=1]They're the same.
    [*=1]They're different.
 
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Xelor said:
Red:
There's a very simple way to overcome the time limit (I think it's 5 minutes) for attaching a poll:
  1. Think about, compose and edit the poll question and answer options before starting the thread, or at least before posting the OP. You need only know (1) there's a 100 character limit for each field (the question and the answer option) in the poll and (2) there is a maximum of ten answer options.
  2. Write the poll question and answers in the OP itself. That way, once you've submitted the OP, you can retrieve your thread/post from the Polls main page and quickly copy and past the poll question and answers from the OP to the poll itself.

For example:
How do your pre-Mueller-report and post-Mueller-report views align?
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  • [*=1]They're the same.
    [*=1]They're different.
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I won't have any difficulty creating polls from this point forward. I complain based on the principle that software tools are meant to facilitate use of a website, not hinder it. The 5-minute limit in particular is a poor implementation choice, and DP admin might consider extending it considerably. Not necessarily for my sake, since I now know how to work around the problem, but for newcomers who'll inevitably run into the same issue.

Thanks all the same to all who provided advice and assistance.
 
COTO said:
To Whom It May Concern at DP Board Admin:

A 5-minute window in which to insert a poll is ridiculous. This thread is now useless. Please delete it.

Also, please consider allowing members at least 30 minutes to attach a poll. Composing meaningful questions and answers takes time.
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My view on the Mueller report is exactly the same before and after. It was fairly obvious there was no collusion with the Russians to influence the election. It was a wet dream of the left from the get go. Mueller's report showed that he couldn't find one person who colluded with the Russians to influence the election. As far as obstruction goes, again, it is all a wet dream of the left. If the so called evidence went to court Trump would not be found guilty. It is all in interpreting Trump words and actions. The left want to interpret them one way but in a court of law you can't interpret what Trump's words and actions were because it is all just guessing. Of course the lefty lunatics in the House would love to impeach him for political reasons. None of any of that changed pre-report and post report.
 
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