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Mueller Report

Is it time to Impeach?

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apdst said:
That isn't what they were investigating. :lamo
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Oh jeez. You didn't read Mueller's appointment letter nor the results of the investigation, didja?

Sad.

Page 1, para 2 of the Mueller report: "The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion."
 
Rising Sun said:
Oh jeez. You didn't read Mueller's appointment letter nor the results of the investigation, didja?

Sad.

Page 1, para 2 of the Mueller report: "The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion."
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The investigation still didn't have anything to with Russia.

The mission was to smear President Trump.
 
apdst said:
The investigation still didn't have anything to with Russia.

The mission was to smear President Trump.
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Precisely Apdst... This was purely a coup d'é·tat attempt by the left against President Trump. It's always been about Trump...
 
When the Birthers were running around screaming that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim sleeper agent for 8 years no Democrats whined that it was a coup attempt against him. Why do some Republicans keep whining that investigating the Russian interference in the 2016 election is a coup attempt? Where does that nonsense come from? Alex Jones? Beck? Richard Spencer?
 
Rising Sun said:
When the Birthers were running around screaming that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim sleeper agent for 8 years no Democrats whined that it was a coup attempt against him. Why do some Republicans keep whining that investigating the Russian interference in the 2016 election is a coup attempt? Where does that nonsense come from? Alex Jones? Beck? Richard Spencer?
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In President Trump's case though, the government actively investigated a conspiracy theory.

That's some scary ****.
 
apdst said:
In President Trump's case though, the government actively investigated a conspiracy theory.

That's some scary ****.
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...and dug up some suspicious things such as the Trump Tower meeting. Assange's testimony on the matter should be interesting.
 
Rising Sun said:
...and dug up some suspicious things such as the Trump Tower meeting. Assange's testimony on the matter should be interesting.
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How do you think Obama would have faired under the same microscope?

The Tower meeting wasn't illegal. It isn't even "suspicious".

Unless you call Obama's meetings with foreign leaders while he was still a candidate. I'll bet you're going to tell us "but, that's different". Yes?
 
apdst said:
How do you think Obama would have faired under the same microscope?

The Tower meeting wasn't illegal. It isn't even "suspicious".

Unless you call Obama's meetings with foreign leaders while he was still a candidate. I'll bet you're going to tell us "but, that's different". Yes?
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He was fine. After all, didn't Trump send out special investigators to Hawaii to get Obama's "real" birth certificate?

Sorry, but since you're the one who keeps claiming there was no Russian interference with US elections, I doubt your veracity.
 
calamity said:
It's in, and it's damning. There are plenty of impeachable offenses to be found in it. There's collusion: numerous contacts between Trump team and Russians. There's obstruction: Too many examples to list, from firing Comey to intimidating witnesses, and there's even Barr admitting the president obstructed justice. :lol:

So, that begs the question.

See poll.
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It is a waste of time. It would never pass in the senate. Pence would pardon any crimes. Let the term run its course and then file charges when we have an ethical president sitting in office. Dems need to focus on winning next year. The Meuller report has done what it is going to do for now and as long as Trump can protect himself with his appointments. All these things people want done aren't realistic or doable at this time. Patience is a virtue.
 
Rising Sun said:
He was fine. After all, didn't Trump send out special investigators to Hawaii to get Obama's "real" birth certificate?

Sorry, but since you're the one who keeps claiming there was no Russian interference with US elections, I doubt your veracity.
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Were they working for the government, carrying subpoena and warrant issueing authority with them? Any FBI raids?
 
RetiredUSN said:
God I hope Trump gets another 4 years.

The entertainment value alone will be worth it.
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We all have something we're looking forward to.

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No offense to you awesome boomers out there, you've paved the way for the rest of us to take the torch.
 
RetiredUSN said:
God I hope Trump gets another 4 years.

The entertainment value alone will be worth it.
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LOL. I will readily agree he's been the most entertaining president in decades. The head jester in a room full of clowns.

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Verax said:
We all have something we're looking forward to.

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No offense to you awesome boomers out there, you've paved the way for the rest of us to take the torch.
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That's the way it's always been. Hint: You can't take the torch and lead the way sitting on your parent's couch using both thumbs to post on Instagram and Snapchat. :)

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Is it time to Impeach?

Morally - yes.
Politically - no

It boils down to the dilemma: "Is one an idealist or a pragmatist?"

Idealism tells me that Trump should indeed be Impeached. Pragmatism tells me that Impeachment would not succeed with today's GOP Trump-enabling Senate.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Is it time to Impeach?

Morally - yes.
Politically - no

It boils down to the dilemma: "Is one an idealist or a pragmatist?"

Idealism tells me that Trump should indeed be Impeached. Pragmatism tells me that Impeachment would not succeed with today's GOP Trump-enabling Senate.
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To repeat what I said in another thread, it’s a catch 22.

a) Don’t impeach, thereby setting the precedent that the punishment for being a criminal is determined at the ballot box, or
b) Go through with impeachment where it will fail in the senate, thereby handing McConnell and Trump an “exoneration” narrative.

There’s no easy answer here.
 
Cardinal said:
To repeat what I said in another thread, it’s a catch 22.

a) Don’t impeach, thereby setting the precedent that the punishment for being a criminal is determined at the ballot box, or
b) Go through with impeachment where it will fail in the senate, thereby handing McConnell and Trump an “exoneration” narrative.

There’s no easy answer here.
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There isn't.

IMO, removing Trump via the ballot box supersede's a difficult and iffy Impeachment process.

Even without Impeachment, History will not be kind to Donald Trump (or William Barr).
 
Rogue Valley said:
There isn't.

IMO, removing Trump via the ballot box supersede's a difficult and iffy Impeachment process.

Even without Impeachment, History will not be kind to Donald Trump (or William Barr).
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I don’t think history will be kind to the precedent democrats will set if they choose not to impeach. But as I said, it’s a catch 22. I see no path where we come out of this as winners. The best we can do is get trump out of office ASAP, and complain about the methods we used to do it afterwards.
 
Winston said:
I've supported impeachment since the corrupt Comey firing.
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antiquity said:
Trump fired Comey for a couple reasons..one: lying before congress and releasing classified information to the press also Trump fired Comey with the recommendation of both Rosenstein and a report by the Inspector General Horowitz whom recommended the firing.
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There's that, and it is far from a corrupt firing, because the director of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the president. Even Comey has stated this publicly, that the president could fire him or reason or no reason.

So I fail to see your logic in this, Winston.
 
eohrnberger said:
There's that, and it is far from a corrupt firing, because the director of the FBI serves at the pleasure of the president. Even Comey has stated this publicly, that the president could fire him or reason or no reason.

So I fail to see your logic in this, Winston.
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Abuse of power has consequences. Trump can fire someone but if he has a corrupt motive (he did) then there should be consequences.


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calamity said:
It's in, and it's damning. There are plenty of impeachable offenses to be found in it. There's collusion: numerous contacts between Trump team and Russians. There's obstruction: Too many examples to list, from firing Comey to intimidating witnesses, and there's even Barr admitting the president obstructed justice. :lol:

So, that begs the question.

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Did you even read the report, cal. or just the Cliff's Notes version.
 
Cardinal said:
I'll vote when after the lawyers I regularly follow have had a chance to digest the report.

A lot of the report so far seems to suggest impeachable offenses, but I want to have as much a level-headed take on this as possible.
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I agree. Sadly, it appears that the Trump administration and many of its supporters are working overtime to deny us the information we need to make such a determination.
 
kitsune said:
I agree. Sadly, it appears that the Trump administration and many of its supporters are working overtime to deny us the information we need to make such a determination.
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They're failing. Barr's performance was so over-the-top that the credibility that Trump desperately needed him to have was flushed down the toilet.
 
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