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Is relocating illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities/states a good idea?

Is relocating illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities/states a good idea?

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tres borrachos said:
Illegals were mowing the lawns at Donald Trump's golf courses for years, until the lid was blown wide open. I think you were confusing "you liberals" with "Mr. President".
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Those illegals were undocumented workers
 
I think it's a great idea. I don't see what ICE's issue about liability is....what do they do now? Just release them where they are. What's the difference?

Do it.
 
tres borrachos said:
Illegals were mowing the lawns at Donald Trump's golf courses for years, until the lid was blown wide open. I think you were confusing "you liberals" with "Mr. President".
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Neither party is pushing for an E-Verify mandate - there seems to be bipartisan agreement that "job creators" hiring illegal immigrants is not to be messed with.
 
tres borrachos said:
So it's the fault of Congress that Trump employed illegals for decades? Yup. Sure. That's taking personal responsibility to a whole new level.
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Immigration law isn't being enforced nor is congress clarifying immigration law. Have the retards in congress close the loopholes and Trump won't be able to take advantage of it. It's pretty simple, really. Congress needs to get off their fat asses and close the loopholes.
 
slick said:
This is just practical & pragmatic sending illegals to where they are welcome, santuary states & cities!

This is revenge:
White House considers sending illegal immigrant children to Sessions' home state - al.com

Obama's administration in 2016 planned to relocate thousands of illegal immigrant children to the home
state of U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions. The plan would send the children to Baldwin County, across the bay
from Sessions' home in Mobile County. This was payback because Sessions was considered the
Obama Administration's toughest critic on immigration reform.
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As a partial side note, when BO decided to send illegals to the district that Steve King represents in the area of Clear Lake Iowa w/o the consent of those in the town, King complained and many politicians on both sides called him a racist. I guess those who complain about the busing of illegals to sanctuary cities should be considered racist by politicians, too? You know, I'm just using the same formula that many dems are currently using: Two wrongs make a (W)right.
 
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TheParser said:
It's a great idea.

Sadly, His Excellency is often all talk, no action.

He will not actually do it (for a variety of reasons).

If those sanctuary cities were flooded with those undocumented adults and children, it might eventually lead to the political downfall of those cities' pro-sanctuary "leaders."

How sweet that would be!
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A sanctuary city is one where the city government won't commit city police and city resources to finding and arresting illegal immigrants, right? Those cash-strapped cities have been labeled 'sanctuary cities' to piss people off, right?
 
It’s funny how the democrats are flipping around and no they’re refusing to this idea. I thought that once you were a Sanctuary City then you are going to welcome anyone to the state or cities. The democrats wants open borders because they know that is their political power gain.
 
X Factor said:
Serious question, wouldn’t sanctuary cities be the safest/best place for them? How is it not a win win?
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I heard a lot of government officials from sanctuary cities and sanctuary state of California tell the world they welcome all people inducing illegals into their cities and state and now...they call it 'dumping'? Why the change of heart? Or is it because they are nothing but phonies who when confronted with mass illegals aliens at their door step whom they are responsible for in the first place they want to blame everyone but themselves.
 
AlphaOmega said:
No one believes your leftist spew. We all have two eyes and ears...if you need research to grasp that we are letting gang members into our country I feel sorry for you.
This reminds me fat ass ted kennedy who wanted illegals here...except when they were getting dropped off into his cape cod neighborhood. We would drop them off on nancys doorstep except she has a wall around her home to keep the illegals out.
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Show me research to support your rant.... you can't. No, damn the facts if they contrast with your impressions.

The "fact is" you actually have no basis for your opinion except your opinion. That is called circular reasoning, which begets ignorance. I suggest you actually study up on this issue so that you are in a position to contribute to this general in particular and DP in general.

As to moving moving asylum seekers to sanctuary cities, bring it on! If Trump wants to welcome these people with open arms, more power to them. They would gravitate to these cities anyway and will be future hardworking Americans and help ease our labor crunch. Bring it on, lil Donnie!
 
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Grand Mal said:
A sanctuary city is one where the city government won't commit city police and city resources to finding and arresting illegal immigrants, right? Those cash-strapped cities have been labeled 'sanctuary cities' to piss people off, right?
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If illegal aliens are shipped (dumped in the words of the MSM) to Sanctuary cities only those people who either voted to become a sanctuary or the government officials will be pissed....the rest of the country not so much with a sign of relief.
 
It would make sense if these cities want to harbor illegals. Let them incur the costs of mass illegal immigration.

Legally though I would oppose that as these cities will try to shield them from deportation. We seriously need to streamline and re-work the system to allow for swift deportation of anyone in the US illegally... just like most other countries do.
 
TheRepublican said:
It’s funny how the democrats are flipping around and no they’re refusing to this idea. I thought that once you were a Sanctuary City then you are going to welcome anyone to the state or cities. The democrats wants open borders because they know that is their political power gain.
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How is an illegal alien an political gain for democrats? They don't vote and then tend to gravitate to states that already blue. This is yet another Fox News quip that their listeners never take the time to think through.

No, Trump antics are the greatest enhancement of Democratic power --- see election of 2018. Keep it up Donny!
 
upsideguy said:
Show me research to support your rant.... you can't. No, damn the facts if they contrast with your impressions.

The "fact is" you actually have no basis for your opinion except your opinion. That is called circular reasoning, which begets ignorance. I suggest you actually study up on this issue so that you are in a position to contribute to this general in particular and DP in general.
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What is your point?...95% of posts on DP are opinion and your opinion ^^ is a step away from flaming.
 
upsideguy said:
How is an illegal alien an political gain for democrats? They don't vote and then tend to gravitate to states that already blue. This is yet another Fox News quip that their listeners never take the time to think through.

No, Trump antics are the greatest enhancement of Democratic power --- see election of 2018. Keep it up Donny!
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Is that post your opinion or fact based? Illegal aliens do vote in some state in local elections.

Immigrants Are Getting the Right to Vote in Cities Across America
 
Sure trump if you want to break another law ..wont be nothing new,, just like you told irs not to give taxes to the house.. what the state will due is take care of these people and bill the administration …...see you in court!!!!
 
slick said:
I get a kick out of some of these progressives going into debt finally achieving an online degree from an
un accredited 'university' suddenly having a light bulb going off by watching CNN propaganda. 'Hey, these TRUMPSTERS
are halfwits. only stupid people support Trump & because I'm not stupid I'm supporting anyone but that buffoon Trump

Yet Trump by a 14 pt margin, and that's huge, of college educated white men who have lead this country
from the colonial times to eventually become the most powerful economic & military power in the world during the Coolidge
administration possibly even earlier!

White college graduates in exit polls supported Trump 53%, Clinton 39%
https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/national/president
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Well done, at least in terms of actually responding with third party support for you point. I respect that.

...and while it is true that white college male grads voted 53-39 in favor of Trump, that is but a sub-group of the overall point. While I am glad you found a sub-group to hang your hat upon, but you are making a "yes, but...' argument, which I thank you for as you now understand I had foundation for my original post. Though my point was harsh, it was hardly "moronic" as you characterized it as you can see I had substantial foundation for my assertion. You can't refute it, you instead are caught in arguing elements of the data.... like white college educated males are all that matter....

But, my point was not about white college educated males, it was about the more educated you were the less likely you were to support Republicans. You cite supports that. Note that college grads overall were 49-44 for Clinton with post-graduates 59-37 Clinton.

Again, from your own cite, its pretty clear the more education one has, the more likely they were to vote for Clinton and the less education, the more likely they were to be a Trump supporter, with the white man exception duly noted.

Good response on your part nonetheless.
 
Lovebug said:
That is what is happening, has been for far too many years and has become a game that suits both parties rather well. Mexico itself has profited nicely from snubbing their noses at our sad immigration laws


Not all of them are sneaky, although seeing some of those young fellows snickering and laughing into the camera makes one wonder what gives.
No, I do blame those who dangle the incentives, who inform those people how to process and what to do. I really really want to know who is behind all of this. The ones I DON"T blame are the poor sobs who fall for it, who are desperate and are truly seeking a better life for themselves and their families.
But according to the left, it is easier to call people like me racist, because we want those people to come here for the right reasons and in a legal manner.
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They use the race card anytime you do not agree with them. They don't want to secure our border. Why. Securing our border has nothing to do with legal immigration or people seeking asylum. It only stops lowlife lawless losers from entering our country illegally. They do not want to enforce our laws. Again they are supporting lawless people over law abiding people. How do you substantiate that point without just yelling racist over and over. I want background checks on everyone entering my country. A 16 year old citizen applying for a job collecting grocery carts at the local grocery store has to under go a background check. Yet the democrats think millions of people sneaking into our country is not a problem. Why do they support criminals over law abiding people. Makes absolutely no sense.
 
upsideguy said:
Well done, at least in terms of actually responding with third party support for you point. I respect that.

...and while it is true that white college male grads voted 53-39 in favor of Trump, that is but a sub-group of the overall point. While I am glad you found a sub-group to hang your hat upon, but you are making a "yes, but...' argument, which I thank you for as you now understand I had foundation for my original post. Though my point was harsh, it was hardly "moronic" as you characterized it as you can see I had substantial foundation for my assertion. You can't refute it, you instead are caught in arguing elements of the data.... like white college educated males are all that matter....

But, my point was not about white college educated males, it was about the more educated you were the less likely you were to support Republicans. You cite supports that. Note that college grads overall were 49-44 for Clinton with post-graduates 59-37 Clinton.

Again, from your own cite, its pretty clear the more education one has, the more likely they were to vote for Clinton and the less education, the more likely they were to be a Trump supporter, with the white man exception duly noted.

Good response on your part nonetheless.
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You seem to feel you have me checkmated, not a chance. Consider this:

Add women white collage grads who preferred Clinto to Trump 51% to 44% to the white male graduates 14 point margin,
& one can extrapolate still a 48% to 45% advantage among white college grads which are approx.. 75% of all college graduates.
Off the other quarter of grads black, Asian & latiino you'll see that there is almost no difference in party preference between
grads & none grads approximately 75% democrat so it certainly wasn't a degree of education that bought them to the democratic fold.
Fast Facts: Degrees conferred by race and sex (72) whites 77%


Finally the 58-37 post graduate degree edge for Clinton is huge, but why? Know this, in most fields, prospective students
can only make an educated guess about the payoff to a post-graduate degree, but, for public school teachers, it appears in
black and white on the salary schedule for their district. For them a post graduate degree means more money, lots more &
the fact that they are overwhelmingly voting democrat is more tied to the force & influence of the United Asso. of Teachers
& earning more money than wisdom. Cancel out that evidence, it isn't!
 
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antiquity said:
What is your point?...95% of posts on DP are opinion and your opinion ^^ is a step away from flaming.
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It appears you only read one post in this subthread and chose to jump into it.... If you start with post 130, you will see someone made a strong inference that the immigrants coming across the border were violent. I responded in post 179 by asking him to substantiate his claim, offering multiple cites that actually refuted his claim. Rather than doing his homework OR showing us where he got the idea express in post 130, he merely doubled down on his post and just reiterated his point without any foundation in post 198, I called him out on it in the post you cited.

While its fine to debate opinions, this is suppose to be a debate. You infer a fact or show us an assumption, be prepared to validate that fact or assumption with third party evidence or simply be honest an tell us that your impression, you have no substantiation. If instead, if what you do is merely double down to show the world your ignorance, expect to have that pointed out as well. The last thing we need in this world or in political discourse is more ignorance.

The "flaming" are those that continue to cite opinion and use facts that are just wrong while being too intellectually lazy to get it right. Those people are merely perpetuating ignorance. They are weak participants to this site and frankly work to do nothing but frustrate others that are here to learn something. Those people are the real "flamers".

In the case of this particular poster, he can be all for the wall or whatever, that is a separate discussion, but he made an inference as to the nature of the people coming across the border that he could not defend. He needs to have that pointed out to him.

You see me make a claim you don't agree with or understand, feel free to call me out. Its pretty rare that I can not defend my points and I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong. Likewise, if I see that from you, I will call you on it.
 
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upsideguy said:
How is an illegal alien an political gain for democrats? They don't vote and then tend to gravitate to states that already blue. This is yet another Fox News quip that their listeners never take the time to think through.

No, Trump antics are the greatest enhancement of Democratic power --- see election of 2018. Keep it up Donny!
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Well 2018 was fuel with angry people
 
X Factor said:
Attaching poll.
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I answered no, however would change that to yes if we could house them with democrat politicians in those cities who support sanctuary cities.
 
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Attaching poll.
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I think it was more a tongue-in-cheek floating of an idea that would be deliciously just considering the situation. :)

I get so sick of self-righteous liberal progressive types spewing all this compassion for the down trodden poor immigrant who is so much more deserving than any American regardless of the situation. But they don't live as they preach do they? The progressive Democrats are in their upscale neighborhoods and gated communities protected by walls and surveillance cameras and in some cases armed guards to make sure that the 'down trodden' don't get anywhere near them or their property.

And they will expend any amount of time and money and require accommodation for all those lovely new voters so long as it is other people who have to pay for them, feed them, house them, educate them, provide healthcare for them. And they absolutely don't want to have to be personally involved in any way themselves.

So the idea of moving all those precious down trodden people in with THEM is pretty horrifying. :)
 
tres borrachos said:
It's worked. Look how many Trump supporters twist themselves into pretzels about these horrible illegals coming here to rape and kill us all.

Trump knows better than anyone I've ever seen how to play his supporters. Only one person in history ever did it better. That would be Jim Jones.
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Who needs to be played? Just weeks ago a woman was killed in a head on collision by a drunk driver who is an illegal not 20 miles from where I am sitting right now. He attempted to flee the scene, however his own injuries prevented him from getting far. Months ago, upstate, a 14 year old girl was beheaded by an MS-13 gang member who is an illegal, simply because her grandmother ran afoul of the drug running clan that MS-13 is involved in. Now you can sit there on your high horse in a gated community somewhere and claim that illegal immigration is not a threat to the safety of rank and file Americans, however the reality is that it is.
 
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