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What is a person entitled to demand having for free - paid for by other people working for them?

What is a person entitled to demand having for free - paid for by other people working for them?

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What is a person entitled to demand having for free - paid for by other people working for them?
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Free in what context? Free for their use at their place of work? Free on the whole? Free when on work-related travel? Some other context(s)?


One can and has the right to demand pretty much anything. Whether one's employer grants one's demand is another matter.
 
joko104 said:
As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.
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Good grief
 
apdst said:
People who get refunds aren't paying taxes. People who break even, using breaks, credits and deductions aren't paying taxes, either.
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Are you mathematically deficient? If I have $1000 taken out of my paycheck for income taxes, and then receive a $100 refund then I paid $900 in taxes. Wait! I got a refund and still paid taxes? However could that have happened?!? Oh wait. Basic mathematics. Learn it.

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lwf said:
It is a mandatory contribution to a common fund. People who don't like it can work elsewhere.
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That is not true. The United States is one of the few countries in the world where you can illegally sneak in or even be there on a travel visa and then work there - and be legally protected from being deported at least for years if not decades or a lifetime.

The more socialistic the country the more this is true, because they do not want to spending their citizens' social services money on non-citizens.
 
MrWonka said:
Anything they would be forced to steal for their own survival if they couldn't obtain it via legitimate means and any basic investment that they would need to make them more productive in the long run.

The saying goes that it takes money to make money. If you are living in abject poverty then you lack the capital necessary to invest in yourself and make yourself more productive. Even if your situation is somewhat the result of your own choices, there is no benefit to society in leaving anyone in desperation. Desperate people resort to desperate measures.

I suggest you educate yourself on the concept of a Nash Equilibrium. It is a fundamental concept in economics. It's sort of like an economic version of a Catch-22, and often times once people find themselves stuck in a bad equilibrium it can be ridiculously difficult to get out now matter how good of choices you make. It is in the best interest of any society to keep people from falling into them and to help those that have get out.

But, of course we all know that you have no interest whatsoever in the free education we're offering you here today. Even though it would be in the best interest of society as a whole to learn something new we all know you'd much rather remain ignorant and hateful so instead I'll ask you this...

I notice that you left Security off the list. Why? Why can I be forced to pay for someone else's security? I would love to see fewer police on the streets and a much smaller military yet I have to watch my hard earned money taken out of my paycheck every week so that rich assholes never have to worry about coming home to a group of homeless people taking over their home by force.
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Ah, the MODERN white fascist socialist ideology of "it takes money to get money" because the thought of "it takes working to get money" in unthinkable. Work? Only stupid people work.

The way for you to get money is to work for it - my opinion - versus using the government to steal money from working people for you - your message's opinion.
 
MrWonka said:
Anything they would be forced to steal for their own survival if they couldn't obtain it via legitimate means and any basic investment that they would need to make them more productive in the long run.

The saying goes that it takes money to make money. If you are living in abject poverty then you lack the capital necessary to invest in yourself and make yourself more productive. Even if your situation is somewhat the result of your own choices, there is no benefit to society in leaving anyone in desperation. Desperate people resort to desperate measures.

I suggest you educate yourself on the concept of a Nash Equilibrium. It is a fundamental concept in economics. It's sort of like an economic version of a Catch-22, and often times once people find themselves stuck in a bad equilibrium it can be ridiculously difficult to get out now matter how good of choices you make. It is in the best interest of any society to keep people from falling into them and to help those that have get out.

But, of course we all know that you have no interest whatsoever in the free education we're offering you here today. Even though it would be in the best interest of society as a whole to learn something new we all know you'd much rather remain ignorant and hateful so instead I'll ask you this...

I notice that you left Security off the list. Why? Why can I be forced to pay for someone else's security? I would love to see fewer police on the streets and a much smaller military yet I have to watch my hard earned money taken out of my paycheck every week so that rich assholes never have to worry about coming home to a group of homeless people taking over their home by force.
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Most police hours involve protecting the poor or lower middle classes. Not the "rich assholes" you seem so envious of. In Cincinnati, the wealthiest area in town is the Hyde Park-East Walnut hills area-where there are dozens of million dollar homes. The police rarely are called there. Over the rhine-just north of downtown proper, has often been listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the USA, and is very poor. The CPD has 10X as many calls to OTR compared to the much larger Hyde Park/East Walnut Hills area.

I suspect if a bunch of "homeless people" tried to take over the homes of the wealthy in the area I mentioned, the police would mainly be tagging and bagging the bodies of said invaders. Lots of wealthy people are well armed or have private security.
 
If an individual can vote 9 times for 9 different items, then can I vote 9 times for none of thee above? That’s fair, right? libs?
 
apdst said:
People who get refunds aren't paying taxes. People who break even, using breaks, credits and deductions aren't paying taxes, either.
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What are you talking about?
 
joko104 said:
Actually the Democratic Party is far worse than the most radical classic socialists. Socialists required everyone equally work - and then equally share in the benefits regardless of the person's status or rank. Thus a manager makes the same as someone on the assembly line.

The Democratic Party, instead, promises everything for free, no one required to work, and then will pay for it all by borrowing endlessly more money from other countries figuring they can do that and pay the compounding interest on the money forever.

The Democratic Party believes the rest of the world will fully finance Americans sitting on their ass furiously demanding still more for free - because they believe they as Americans were born entitled to everything and to make everyone else their slaves.

Still furious over taking away their slaves, the Democratic Party has it's new way to make everyone working person their slave. The Democratic Party will never, ever abandon slavery.
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Maybe your meds should be free.
 
joko104 said:
You, like many other Democrats, confirm what I often post - the hatred Democrats truly have of working people. You are 100% wrong. Working people contribution to our society's health and growth. But in the opinion of the Democratic Party only 2 groups of people matter: The corporate super rich of the world and on the other end they support and promote being a lazyass bum. The EVIL people to the Democratic Party are people who work for a living to provide for their family and themselves - and in that struggle do not approve of having to work extra hours every week to pay for the booze and drugs of the bum standing on the corner panhandling.
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Democrats are the party of the working class. Democrats are in favor of labor unions. Democrats argue for increasing minimum wage and holding big corporations accountable for their actions. It is the Republicans who promote trickle down economics which benefits the rich at the expense of the working class. It is Republicans who seek to eliminate workers' unions and regulations that protect the working man from exploitation. Your consumption of right wing propaganda has twisted your understanding of the U.S. political parties.
 
joko104 said:
That is not true. The United States is one of the few countries in the world where you can illegally sneak in or even be there on a travel visa and then work there - and be legally protected from being deported at least for years if not decades or a lifetime.

The more socialistic the country the more this is true, because they do not want to spending their citizens' social services money on non-citizens.
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This is false. This is tiresome right wing propaganda. It is illegal to sneak into the U.S. and work here and those who do are not legally protected from being deported, nor are they allowed to continue working. And those who have work visas pay the same taxes as everyone else without the benefit of being able to vote. And before you say it: NO, illegal immigrants do not vote in our elections.
 
lwf said:
Democrats are the party of the working class. Democrats are in favor of labor unions. Democrats argue for increasing minimum wage and holding big corporations accountable for their actions. It is the Republicans who promote trickle down economics which benefits the rich at the expense of the working class. It is Republicans who seek to eliminate workers' unions and regulations that protect the working man from exploitation. Your consumption of right wing propaganda has twisted your understanding of the U.S. political parties.
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The Democratic party destroyed the trade unions with mass illegal immigration. They so much want to trash working class wages they literally have cities that hide illegal migrants to keep wages as low as possible. The Democratic Party is the worst enemy working people ever had.
 
lwf said:
This is false. This is tiresome right wing propaganda. It is illegal to sneak into the U.S. and work here and those who do are not legally protected from being deported, nor are they allowed to continue working. And those who have work visas pay the same taxes as everyone else without the benefit of being able to vote. And before you say it: NO, illegal immigrants do not vote in our elections.
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They do corrupt democracy as they are counted towards Congressional seat allocation.
 
joko104 said:
Police protect my family and I. Being forced to pay for your dinner doesn't.
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Why pay a police officer $50,000 dollars a year to show up late to a burglary and not solve the crime when you could just invest $10,000 a year to 5 people in poverty and eliminate their motivation for robbing you in the first place?
 
MrWonka said:
Why pay a police officer $50,000 dollars a year to show up late to a burglary and not solve the crime when you could just invest $10,000 a year to 5 people in poverty and eliminate their motivation for robbing you in the first place?
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Dude. That's extortion. "You have to pay me 10k or I'm going to have to come take your ****."

The mafia calls that "paying for protection" I believe.

No, thank you.
 
joko104 said:
As the Democrats now engage in picking between candidates who promise the most free stuff - meaning forcing other people work for them - what do you claim a person can demand other people buy for them?

MULTIPLE CHOICE POLL - check everything that you claim other people can demand you buy for them.
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You didn't include sex change operations. I hear they're quite popular now.
 
MrWonka said:
Why pay a police officer $50,000 dollars a year to show up late to a burglary and not solve the crime when you could just invest $10,000 a year to 5 people in poverty and eliminate their motivation for robbing you in the first place?
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Ten thousand doesn't come close to what welfare per person costs and no, it would not stop them from committing crime. It just means more money for drugs and liquor - which leads to still more crime. But your's is liberal logic - claiming the poor won't steal from you if the government steals from you for them. In fact, it just means they and the government both are stealing from you.
 
I am mostly Dem/liberal and I voted none of the above, however I am fine with my tax dollars going to subsidize food and shelter and prescrip. drugs for others...while also paying for programs to enable the able-bodied to have daycare, job training, and social services tracking and enforcement (further $$$) to oversee the system is less abused.
 
I said that I was OK with Food and Shelter. My intent being basic food, warmth, a secure place to sleep safely even if it is group housing. Homeless shelters and such I'm fine with funding and do so myself. I figure that by meeting Maslow's basic physiological needs for food/warmth/safety it enables people to be in a psychological place that they can build relationships and attempt to re-enter society productively.

When the basic needs aren't covered it can lead to desperate and dangerous behavior.

With the way that the poll was set up, I wasn't sure about the extent or presentation of these formats per tier though. I would also prefer if there were civic activities built around the reception of such services to help people build self esteem and social connections that are a benefit to society. Like cleaning city streets, or helping maintain the shelter their in etc.

So I guess I don't think such things should be Free by DEMAND... but I do think taking care of people and getting them back on their feet is of value to society, and ensuring no-one is afraid of being starving, cold, and desperate is a good way to get them in the right mental state to do that.
 
joko104 said:
Tell me why I should have to work and the money goes to her children rather than my own?
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Because whether you realize it or not she's providing a service to you as well as herself. What would happen to these children if nobody raised them? Foster care? Children living in the streets? Do you think that would make your life better? Do you not realize how much that would increase crime?

joko104 said:
She made herself a single mother, not I.
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You don't get to send her back in time and force her to make a different choice. You also don't know her circumstances. If you want to prevent single mothers before they happen free access to birth control, proper sexual education and abortion in the worst case are the best solutions. All things being fought by your favorite political party not mine. That's why teenage pregnancy rates are significantly higher in Red Southern States than they are in Northern Blue States.

joko104 said:
It was her decision to have children. Her life and her children are her problem. My children and my life are my problem.
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The core failure at the heart of virtually all Right Wing beliefs. The idea the increasing the negative consequences of a bad choice will somehow prevent the bad choice in the first place. It doesn't work the way you think it does. People who make bad choices do so because they don't expect the worst case to happen to them. It's like the death penalty. Studies have shown that murder rates are actually higher in states with the death penalty. The capital punishment does nothing to dissuade the murderer because the murderer doesn't expect to get caught in the first place.

Or take DUIs. Increasing the fine has done little to actually prevent DUIs. The drunk drivers simply don't expect to get caught in the first place so the fine doesn't really matter that much. Public transportation, education, and the low costs of Uber and Lyft have done more to lower Drunk Driving rates than any fine every has. Unfortunately stupid conservatives are more concerned with who pays for the mistake than you actually are with solving the problem.
 
MrWonka said:
Ummm...I believe it was the right who freaked out when AOC promised a job for everyone even if they didn't want one.
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No, it was a living wage for everyone whether they worked or not.
 
MrWonka said:
Because whether you realize it or not she's providing a service to you as well as herself. What would happen to these children if nobody raised them? Foster care? Children living in the streets? Do you think that would make your life better? Do you not realize how much that would increase crime?


You don't get to send her back in time and force her to make a different choice. You also don't know her circumstances. If you want to prevent single mothers before they happen free access to birth control, proper sexual education and abortion in the worst case are the best solutions. All things being fought by your favorite political party not mine. That's why teenage pregnancy rates are significantly higher in Red Southern States than they are in Northern Blue States.


The core failure at the heart of virtually all Right Wing beliefs. The idea the increasing the negative consequences of a bad choice will somehow prevent the bad choice in the first place. It doesn't work the way you think it does. People who make bad choices do so because they don't expect the worst case to happen to them. It's like the death penalty. Studies have shown that murder rates are actually higher in states with the death penalty. The capital punishment does nothing to dissuade the murderer because the murderer doesn't expect to get caught in the first place.

Or take DUIs. Increasing the fine has done little to actually prevent DUIs. The drunk drivers simply don't expect to get caught in the first place so the fine doesn't really matter that much. Public transportation, education, and the low costs of Uber and Lyft have done more to lower Drunk Driving rates than any fine every has. Unfortunately stupid conservatives are more concerned with who pays for the mistake than you actually are with solving the problem.
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The death penalty is 100% a deterrent. There is not even ONE case of anyone who was executed murdering anyone else after the execution. There are many instances of people with a life sentence murdering someone else (in prison). There is little incentive not to if the death penalty is prohibited.

DUI massive fines and potential imprisonment does stop some people from driving drunk.
 
MrWonka said:
Also, could you tell me why we should make a single mother of two work 8 hours a day running a cash register for $7/hour when it costs her $10/hr to send her two kids to day care? If a day care can charge $10/hour to watch your kids for you and that's considered legitimate work then why don't you consider a single mother watching her own children 24 hours a day to be "working?"
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Please, you'll make heads explode with all that logical thinking. The right as you are well aware like to spit out slogans and red meat catch words like free socialism. No matter how much you try to reason with the right they will stand firm in their defense of the .01 percent.
 
Captain America said:
Dude. That's extortion. "You have to pay me 10k or I'm going to have to come take your ****."

The mafia calls that "paying for protection" I believe.
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That's because you don't voluntarily agree to this contract from the outset it's forced upon you from the very beginning. The problem with people like you is that you've been living in a civilized society for so long that you have completely forgotten why they exist in the first place.

Dude what the **** do you think a society is? Why do you think they were invented? A society is when a group of people combine together for the common defense of their assets. Well if a handful of people within that society have radically more valuable assets than the rest, and large numbers of people in that society have little or no assets why the **** should those with nothing respect that bull**** contract that's letting them starve to death?

If the majority of people in a society are starving to death because a handful of wealthy elites have gamed the system for their own benefit do you expect them to just sit there and starve to death while you're sitting on a pile of T-bones you couldn't possibly eat?

The internal workings of a society simply replace the gun with the vote.
 
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