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Topless Teacher Demands $3 million from School District- What's Your Opinion?

Should Lauren Miranda collect $3 million from the school district she used to work for?

  • Yes, pay her $3 million

    Votes: 17 34.7%

  • No, don't pay her $3 million

    Votes: 14 28.6%

  • Other- I'll explain

    Votes: 9 18.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 3 6.1%

  • I'm going to have to do more 'research' by seeing the topless picture, before I can decide anything

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • Total voters
    49
She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

phattonez said:
She deserves nothing. Teachers should be of impeccable moral standards as they work with impressionable youth, and sending nude pictures falls far short from that standard. Not only should she not get the money, she should have been fired, and she should have been too embarrassed to even think about suing about this.

And yes fire the male teacher as well if he wasn't already.
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impeccable moral standards - Yep, that's been the demand in the US since the schoolmarm taming the Wild West. It was probably unreasonable then, it's likely unreasonable now. Excellent teachers who became pregnant - yes, married & all - often had to quit teaching once they began to show. As if the mere idea of a teacher as a human being were somehow indecent.

- I suppose we could require that all teachers be priests or nuns or brothers - or their equivalents in the other denominations & religions. But as we've seen in too many cases, even vows of chastity can crumble before the urge to reproduce. It's a basic drive of humanity - & it does cause distress when that drive overrides people's better nature. We'll simply have to learn to deal with the problem, & carefully identify & weed out people who can't or won't control themselves - or @ least not allow them to work with vulnerable populations.

impressionable youth - Yah, if they have any access to the Internet & are curious, I'm certain they've seen worse already. Unless they're simply not interested yet.

nude pictures - Nah, TMK, it was just the one, & she wasn't nude, she was topless. The picture is posted here - the 2nd or 3rd entry in the thread.
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

southwest88 said:
impeccable moral standards - Yep, that's been the demand in the US since the schoolmarm taming the Wild West. It was probably unreasonable then, it's likely unreasonable now. Excellent teachers who became pregnant - yes, married & all - often had to quit teaching once they began to show. As if the mere idea of a teacher as a human being were somehow indecent.

- I suppose we could require that all teachers be priests or nuns or brothers - or their equivalents in the other denominations & religions. But as we've seen in too many cases, even vows of chastity can crumble before the urge to reproduce. It's a basic drive of humanity - & it does cause distress when that drive overrides people's better nature. We'll simply have to learn to deal with the problem, & carefully identify & weed out people who can't or won't control themselves - or @ least not allow them to work with vulnerable populations.

impressionable youth - Yah, if they have any access to the Internet & are curious, I'm certain they've seen worse already. Unless they're simply not interested yet.

nude pictures - Nah, TMK, it was just the one, & she wasn't nude, she was topless. The picture is posted here - the 2nd or 3rd entry in the thread.
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Yeah, requiring any moral standards is just impossible. Time to let the transvestites dressed like demons start teaching kindergartners.
 
Re: No, it isn't

phattonez said:
With a man who isn't your husband? That's utterly immoral.
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Except it is not, just because some people are living in the 19th century does not mean we have to live by that archaic nonsense.
 
Re: No, it isn't

Peter King said:
Except it is not, just because some people are living in the 19th century does not mean we have to live by that archaic nonsense.
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And look at what ignoring that "archaic nonsense" has done for women.

Antidepressant Use Jumps 65 Percent in 15 Years

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They should fire the superintendent, hire her back with backpay, and pay her a lump sum for having her privacy violated by her superiors and having to go through this ridiculous ordeal. She absolutely did nothing wrong, and it's a damn shame that she had to go through this.
 
Re: No, it isn't

Peter King said:
Sure, that is the reason why women have started using more anti-depressants :doh
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Then let's hear your alternative thesis. What other social change was implemented that could have as large of an effect?
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

phattonez said:
Yeah, requiring any moral standards is just impossible. Time to let the transvestites dressed like demons start teaching kindergartners.
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Dude, now you're talking like a Democrat when discussing guns: "What? You don't want mandatory registration for all guns? Well then let's just give everyone nukes then!" <stomps foot>
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

Rising Sun said:
Dude, now you're talking like a Democrat when discussing guns: "What? You don't want mandatory registration for all guns? Well then let's just give everyone nukes then!" <stomps foot>
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No, giving everyone nuclear weapons is absurd. Transvestitites dressing like demons and teaching children is already happening.

Bloviating Conspirary Theorist Really Hates Drag Queen Story Hour - October 19, 2017 - SF Weekly
 
akyron said:
Perhaps they could take pity on her and gather together some charitable events that would perform the dual purpose of virtue signalling and financing a bra donation for her. Much less than 3 mill.
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She should be kept away from children like other perverts.
 
I dunno man... I dont see how a nude photo of her magically pops up in this kids inbox. Shes claiming that anyone can go onto male teachers social media and find topless photos of them but this picture was given specifically to a kid directly. If a male teacher was sending topless manboob pics to a teen student he would get fired too.

I agree that male nipples and female nipples should be equal.

But the fact that this kid somehow got sent a picture of the teacher nude directly makes me think she SHOULD be fired. Everyone can blame her ex-bf teacher but we really dont know if it was him (what kinda adult would share porn pics with a little kid of his ex girlfriend?) or maybe it was her that sent it to the kid anonymously.....

Shouldnt she be able to show the messages or logs of her sharing the picture with the ex-bf teacher?

Maybe she should be careful who she shares lewd images with and stop sending pics of herself to little kids?
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

phattonez said:
No, giving everyone nuclear weapons is absurd. Transvestitites dressing like demons and teaching children is already happening.

Bloviating Conspirary Theorist Really Hates Drag Queen Story Hour - October 19, 2017 - SF Weekly
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No ****.

You said it was drag queens teaching kindergarteners, not "story hour" at a SF library. That's completely voluntary, not like a public school.

Besides, it's California, dude. Anyone who lives there and then bitches about it is a ****ing moron.

phattonez said:
Yeah, requiring any moral standards is just impossible. Time to let the transvestites dressed like demons start teaching kindergartners.
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Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

phattonez said:
Yeah, requiring any moral standards is just impossible. Time to let the transvestites dressed like demons start teaching kindergartners.
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That's a poor reductio ad absurdum. Public & private schools can require moral standards of their employees - but enforcement is never going to be pleasant. In the case @ hand, I think the male teacher who published the photo to the student body (? to the entire school?) merits more punishment than Ms. Miranda. He presumably knew what he was doing, & he broadcast a completely inappropriate picture of Ms. Miranda to the students (& staff & faculty?), presumably with malicious intent.

She should consider suing the perpetrator for loss of job, loss of income, damages, embarrassment, emotional distress, & anything else that a clever lawyer can think of.
 
Basic Internet forensics?

dirtpoorchris said:
I dunno man... I dont see how a nude photo of her magically pops up in this kids inbox. Shes claiming that anyone can go onto male teachers social media and find topless photos of them but this picture was given specifically to a kid directly. If a male teacher was sending topless manboob pics to a teen student he would get fired too.

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If the photo in the 2nd or 3rd response to the OP in this thread is the photo in question, she was not nude.

Someone with the requisite computer skills should be able to track the message that delivered the photo, hopefully back to the originating device. ID & find the device, see who's been using the device in the timeframe of the photo being sent, & you narrow the field of suspects considerably. If you're lucky, you ID the perp.
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

southwest88 said:
That's a poor reductio ad absurdum. Public & private schools can require moral standards of their employees - but enforcement is never going to be pleasant. In the case @ hand, I think the male teacher who published the photo to the student body (? to the entire school?) merits more punishment than Ms. Miranda. He presumably knew what he was doing, & he broadcast a completely inappropriate picture of Ms. Miranda to the students (& staff & faculty?), presumably with malicious intent.

She should consider suing the perpetrator for loss of job, loss of income, damages, embarrassment, emotional distress, & anything else that a clever lawyer can think of.
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As I said, the male teacher who received the picture and shared it should also lose his job. I don't think that people who think sending nude pictures is a good thing should be teaching impressionable youth.
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

phattonez said:
As I said, the male teacher who received the picture and shared it should also lose his job. I don't think that people who think sending nude pictures is a good thing should be teaching impressionable youth.
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I tell you three times: She was not nude, in the picture posted near the beginning of this thread.
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

southwest88 said:
I tell you three times: She was not nude, in the picture posted near the beginning of this thread.
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I don't care about your dictionary games. In this culture it's considered indecent for a woman to expose her breasts. A woman who goes against our cultural norms in order to incite lust, an objective evil, has no place in a classroom with impressionable youth.
 
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Far be it from me.
 
truthatallcost said:
A Teacher Is Fired Over a Topless Selfie, Stirring a Debate Over Gender Equity - The New York Times

Despite this being framed as a 'gender equality issue' by the plaintiff's lawyer, I see it as an attempt to shakedown a school district for a large sum of money. We're constantly told today that employers have the right to fire employees if they engage in conduct outside of the parameters of acceptable behavior recognized by the employer. This reasoning has been used quite often in recent years, to terminate employment over distasteful social media posts, attending political rallies, and even in cases of supporting the BDS movement.

I say this was Ms Miranda's mistake, and if she wishes to sue somebody for her mistake, she should sue the male teacher who shared the topless picture with students. His behavior was beyond immature and stupid.

What do you think? Should Lauren Miranda collect $3 million from the school district she used to work for? I say no.
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I voted no only because I don't think public employees should be able to essentially punish taxpayers when management/administration terminates them under questionable circumstances. School administration isn't going to cut that check. $3 million is 40 times a well-paid teacher's annual salary. She should get at most 3 years worth of salary. It should settle for $100,000 to $200,000.
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

phattonez said:
I don't care about your dictionary games. In this culture it's considered indecent for a woman to expose her breasts. A woman who goes against our cultural norms in order to incite lust, an objective evil, has no place in a classroom with impressionable youth.
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Would you deprive her of being allowed to be a mother as well? Take her children from her if she has any?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Would you deprive her of being allowed to be a mother as well? Take her children from her if she has any?
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No. A mother is always necessarily a mother to her children. Teachers are interchangeable.
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

Bodhisattva said:
Would you deprive her of being allowed to be a mother as well? Take her children from her if she has any?
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Sure BH, let's play extreme views. Why not deprive her of the things you mention? Sounds silly when reflected, doesn't it? Your corollary is yours alone.
The entire topic is of decency as recognized by the many(we call them laws) as reflecting the greater good for all citizens, and not the rebellious. Those who choose to ignore or flaunt law here are called criminal. It is the same in NZ isn't it?
Regards,
CP
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

concernedpuma said:
Sure BH, let's play extreme views. Why not deprive her of the things you mention? Sounds silly when reflected, doesn't it? Your corollary is yours alone.
The entire topic is of decency as recognized by the many(we call them laws) as reflecting the greater good for all citizens, and not the rebellious. Those who choose to ignore or flaunt law here are called criminal. It is the same in NZ isn't it?
Regards,
CP
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Doesn't sound silly at all... if she is immoral enough to not be a teacher then she should be deprived of her own children too...
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

Bodhisattva said:
Doesn't sound silly at all... if she is immoral enough to not be a teacher then she should be deprived of her own children too...
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WHEW! I have always considered NZ to be a no nonsense place. You confirm that at least one of you is that way.:2razz:
I'm not sure that I could agree with the deprivation of her children for a silly mistake many have made. On the other hand, I don't know when stupidity then entitled one to cash rewards at the expense of a public school system, as in this particular case.
Regards,
CP
 
Re: She apparently made the mistake of trusting a cad

concernedpuma said:
WHEW! I have always considered NZ to be a no nonsense place. You confirm that at least one of you is that way.:2razz:
I'm not sure that I could agree with the deprivation of her children for a silly mistake many have made. On the other hand, I don't know when stupidity then entitled one to cash rewards at the expense of a public school system, as in this particular case.
Regards,
CP
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In this case, Ms. Miranda was betrayed by her former boyfriend. Assuming she only sent the photo in question to him, & assuming that forensics can pin down his device (or his access to the photo) as the source of the publication of the photo, she should pursue the offender unto death. Her beef is with him - or whoever it was - not so much the school district, her late employer.

That's probably a bridge too far - if there's a morals clause in her contract with the district, it's unlikely she can prevail in court, no matter how antediluvian the phrasing of the contract. The former boyfriend (if he was the source of the leak), on the other hand, has no defense against her action - he's done her a lot of damage, financial, professional (Did she lose her teaching license? That's a possibility, again under a morals clause.) She should pursue him in court - to underscore that sabotaging someone by social media carries a real cost.
 
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