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Do you believe Mueller's findings about the Trump admin/Russia?

Do you believe Mueller's findings about the Trump admin/Russia?

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Mach said:
Is this the poll where all the people demonizing Mueller for the past two years, now 100% support his findings, and all the people that 100% supported it prior to today, quesiton it?
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Me in May, 2018:

Cardinal said:
This thread is partly an omen of what will happen after Mueller's report is made public. If he determines that trump is innocent many liberals can be expected to be angry and frustrated, while republicans will rediscover the respect they had for Mueller when he was first appointed. If he determines that trump is guilty, republicans won't believe him. The difference is unsubtle.

My scenario does, of course, assume that that Mueller is allowed to complete his investigation unimpeded. If Rosenstein is replaced with a trump toady or some artificial deadline is imposed on him, liberals will be under no obligation to accept a conclusion of innocence.
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I'd brag about that prediction, but it's not like anybody didn't see that coming.
 
Josie said:
Mueller Finds No Trump-Russia Conspiracy but Stops Short of Exonerating President on Obstruction of Justice - The New York Times

WASHINGTON — The investigation led by Robert S. Mueller III found that neither President Trump nor any of his aides conspired or coordinated with the Russian government’s 2016 election interference, according to a summary of the special counsel’s findings made public on Sunday by Attorney General William P. Barr.

Are you surprised that no evidence was found that the Trump administration conspired with the Russians to interfere with the 2016 election? Do you believe it?
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I read the Barr letter and, from what I gather, Trump is totally, 100% and irredeemably GUILTY!!! There is no longer any question about his guilt and may Nadler roll that old guillotine out and behead the cretin!!

Oops...may bad. That was from earlier today.

I guess Trump really didn't coordinate with Russia, knowingly or unknowingly, and he really didn't obstruct justice because there really wasn't a crime out there to obstruct. Besides, tweeting complaints doesn't really fall into the category of "obstruction" unless you want to open a gigantic can of first Amendment worms.





Ok....just because some knucklehead around here is going to call you on it...we have no way of knowing what is in the Mueller report so we really can't trust it or distrust it. The best we can do is trust or distrust that the Barr letter is a reasonable summary of the Mueller report. To that end, yes, I believe that when the rest of the stuff comes out the Barr letter will be confirmed as a reasonable summary.
 
Carleen said:
There is plenty of time now before the election to stall. That is probably the plan from the WH
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That would be a dumb move at this point, imo.

Which means you're probably right.
 
Born Free said:
Let me ask you, if Barr put is personal spin on the report, would not Mueller know? And what kind spin, Barr said there was no collusion by Trump or anyone. So for Barr to stop his spin you would expect that Barr would say Trump colluded with the Russian plus every person on his campaign.
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I am not referring to the collusion aspect, but the obstruction of justice component. As I have stated here on several occasions, I've never been one to believe Trump worked in conjunction with Russia to influence the election.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Oh good grief. You guys knew there was nothing and now the investigation reveals nothing and you just can't stand it. You couldn't stand the election outcome and the BS just continues from democrats. Mueller said no collusion, and nothing on obstruction to act upon. Barr and Rosenstien say no obstruction based on the evidence provided by Mueller.
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So you agree that those claiming the investigation was a witch hunt and effort to get Trump were wrong to think that?
 
Airyaman said:
That would be a dumb move at this point, imo.

Which means you're probably right.
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I would also like to add that it is a relief that there was no collusion, but there was a lot of lying by the Trump admin so, this remains a mystery.
 
Carleen said:
I would also like to add that it is a relief that there was no collusion, but there was a lot of lying by the Trump admin so, this remains a mystery.
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Yeah, that is the one part of the whole thing that makes me scratch my head. Why lie about all of the Russian contacts? Unless of course they didn't think they would be charged for lying, which I find to be the most likely scenario.
 
Cardinal said:
This was the Barr report; not the Mueller report.

I don't know yet whether or not we should have a problem with Barr's summary, but we do need to be clear on that distinction.
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The last sentence of this paragraph (which everyone is reporting on now) isn't Barr's words --- it's a direct quote from Mueller's report.

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Carleen said:
I still do not understand all the lying about association with Russians. But, I do believe Meuller did a good job.
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Trump kept saying there was no interference with Russia in the election even though his intelligence was telling him that there was. I think he just didn't want to be quoted as saying that there was because he didn't want to be tied to it. Or something. Who knows? Trump is a strange breed.
 
Carleen said:
I would also like to add that it is a relief that there was no collusion, but there was a lot of lying by the Trump admin so, this remains a mystery.
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Airyaman said:
Yeah, that is the one part of the whole thing that makes me scratch my head. Why lie about all of the Russian contacts? Unless of course they didn't think they would be charged for lying, which I find to be the most likely scenario.
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Well, some of the contacts were shady, and the summary did note the the Russians made offers to the Trump campaign.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Oh good grief. You guys knew there was nothing and now the investigation reveals nothing and you just can't stand it. You couldn't stand the election outcome and the BS just continues from democrats. Mueller said no collusion, and nothing on obstruction to act upon. Barr and Rosenstien say no obstruction based on the evidence provided by Mueller.
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Until we read the entire report and examine the evidence in it, we cannot say.
 
I'm seeing lots of skepticism, but poll results say there's no skepticism. Interesting.
 
Josie said:
I'm seeing lots of skepticism, but poll results say there's no skepticism. Interesting.
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Noticed the same thing. Not sure why people clearly did not vote what they have expressed in writing here.
 
Carleen said:
I would also like to add that it is a relief that there was no collusion, but there was a lot of lying by the Trump admin so, this remains a mystery.
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Looks like they just deny and attack as a general rule.
In the case they are in the wrong, the attack/deny helps their case.
In the case they are right, the attack/deny helps them frame it so that when they are "cleared", they created a much larger pay-out.
That's my impression now. I don't think they sit around and think of it this way, it's intuitive at this point.

Trump doesn't even use email, ignores security protocols, took the notes from Putin's meeting...he apparently wants secrecy on all things Trump?
 
Born Free said:
Let me ask you, if Barr put is personal spin on the report, would not Mueller know? And what kind spin, Barr said there was no collusion by Trump or anyone. So for Barr to stop his spin you would expect that Barr would say Trump colluded with the Russian plus every person on his campaign.
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Barr didn't say that --- Mueller did. It's a direct quote from the Mueller report.
 
Mach said:
Is this the poll where all the people demonizing Mueller for the past two years, now 100% support his findings, and all the people that 100% supported it prior to today, quesiton it?
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What's your opinion on the news today?
 
Josie said:
I'm seeing lots of skepticism, but poll results say there's no skepticism. Interesting.
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No one has seen it, so everyone is being skeptical of Barr's "report" to congress, including Barr's conclusion of no obstruction.
As to the Mueller report that we have not seen, I think Democrats at least believe Mueller did a thorough job and should be believed with regards to what he states in his report.
 
Mach said:
No one has seen it, so everyone is being skeptical of Barr's "report" to congress, including Barr's conclusion of no obstruction.
As to the Mueller report that we have not seen, I think Democrats at least believe Mueller did a thorough job and should be believed with regards to what he states in his report.
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That's not Barr's conclusion -- it's Mueller's. It's a direct quote from the Mueller Report:

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haymarket said:
Until we can read the complete Mueller Report one cannot answer this question.
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That critical fact was deliberately omitted from the Poll
Some could think it was a Troll Poll?
Regardless, it was not well thought out
I put that down to the sudden conversion in becoming a Mueller supporter
 
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