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If the electoral college were abolished, would you change your vote?

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I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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Well, voters in Wyoming and North Dakota would want to vote twice.
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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No Presidential campaign has ever been conducted to service a popular vote. Campaigns would change. What effect that would have is impossible to know.
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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Your interpretation in bold is not about a person changing his/her vote from Dem to Pub.
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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Not everyone votes. And turnout operations would definitely shift.

I don’t think that’s really a strong argument for keeping the EC, but it would definitely be different.
 
Grand Mal said:
Well, voters in Wyoming and North Dakota would want to vote twice.
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can you imagine, these cowboys vote counts more than mine or yours now?

You could simply not make this stuff up.
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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noonereal said:
can you imagine, these cowboys vote counts more than mine or yours now?

You could simply not make this stuff up.
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It's a, uh, peculiarity that seems to benefit the Republican party from time to time. I've read some really creative justifications for it. The only one that makes a hint (just a hint) of sense is that the people elect the Congress and the states elect the President, but I suspect there might be a more equal way for that to happen. One man, one vote seems like a pretty basic format for electing anyone.
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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The better question might be would you vote. In my seat, voting for the senate or house is meaningless.
 
Born Free said:
Your interpretation in bold is not about a person changing his/her vote from Dem to Pub.
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Would you vote for a candidate with fundamentally different values than what you currently vote for?
 
Deuce said:
Would you vote for a candidate with fundamentally different values than what you currently vote for?
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I'm a policy guy, I don't vote for liberal or socialist policies. You might want to be like Venezuela but not me.
 
Born Free said:
I'm a policy guy, I don't vote for liberal or socialist policies. You might want to be like Venezuela but not me.
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Is there some reason you answered an entirely different question than the one I asked?
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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Wait, is that an argument? That people would change their votes?
 
Cardinal said:
Wait, is that an argument? That people would change their votes?
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I don't know what the argument is. They just keep saying it would make red states not matter anymore. If they aren't changing votes, and aren't changing the sort of candidate they'd show up for, I wonder what they think the impact will be.
 
Deuce said:
I don't know what the argument is. They just keep saying it would make red states not matter anymore. If they aren't changing votes, and aren't changing the sort of candidate they'd show up for, I wonder what they think the impact will be.
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Frankly, there are so many stupid arguments against the popular vote that it wouldn't have surprised me in the least if that argument was one as well. The main one I'm aware of is that candidates would only visit cities, as if candidates aren't already focusing all their efforts on, like, 12 states now.
 
Deuce said:
Is there some reason you answered an entirely different question than the one I asked?
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You asked:
"Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
Would you vote for a candidate with fundamentally different values than what you currently vote for?"

You asked how I would vote and I answered exactly how I vote. My values are conservative policies.

Can't help it if you don't like the answer.
 
Born Free said:
You asked:
"Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
Would you vote for a candidate with fundamentally different values than what you currently vote for?"

You asked how I would vote and I answered exactly how I vote. My values are conservative policies.

Can't help it if you don't like the answer.
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Great, so you'd still vote for conservative candidates.

Why the problem then? Are there other conservatives who are suddenly going to vote for socialists?
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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Why would I even bother to vote in any presidential elections?
Why, when New York, California, and Seattle would decide all presidential elections. What would be the point in voting?

What possible justification can be made for the disenfranchisement of all the voters in all other locations in the nation?

It would be mob rule, and judging from as many Democratic presidential candidates are proponents of this policy, seems Democrats wish to rule by mob rule.
All the more reason not to give them ANY political power at all, before your vote doesn't matter anymore.
 
Deuce said:
Great, so you'd still vote for conservative candidates.

Why the problem then? Are there other conservatives who are suddenly going to vote for socialists?
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Are you talking about the EC, if you are the only reason you want to rid the EC and stack the SC, and have a voting age of 16 so the teachers can brainwash them to vote Democrat is so you can win. When you don't win, you want to change the rules so you can win. You must think we're all so stupid, Christ any idiot can see what your trying to do. Change the rules so you can win, not going to happen, play by the rules.
 
Born Free said:
Are you talking about the EC, if you are the only reason you want to rid the EC and stack the SC, and have a voting age of 16 so the teachers can brainwash them to vote Democrat is so you can win. When you don't win, you want to change the rules so you can win. You must think we're all so stupid, Christ any idiot can see what your trying to do. Change the rules so you can win, not going to happen, play by the rules.
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/// so the teachers can brainwash them //// <---- :2rofll: :screwy
 
eohrnberger said:
Why would I even bother to vote in any presidential elections?
Why, when New York, California, and Seattle would decide all presidential elections. What would be the point in voting?

What possible justification can be made for the disenfranchisement of all the voters in all other locations in the nation?

It would be mob rule, and judging from as many Democratic presidential candidates are proponents of this policy, seems Democrats wish to rule by mob rule.
All the more reason not to give them ANY political power at all, before your vote doesn't matter anymore.
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You seem eager to disenfranchise Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Louisville and numerous other populous areas that vote red?
 
eohrnberger said:
Why would I even bother to vote in any presidential elections?
Why, when New York, California, and Seattle would decide all presidential elections. What would be the point in voting?

What possible justification can be made for the disenfranchisement of all the voters in all other locations in the nation?

It would be mob rule, and judging from as many Democratic presidential candidates are proponents of this policy, seems Democrats wish to rule by mob rule.
All the more reason not to give them ANY political power at all, before your vote doesn't matter anymore.
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In a state election, do the voters in big cities "disenfranchise" the voters in rural areas? Do small town dwellers in Texas say, "This election is being decided by them folks in Dallas and Houston. Why should I even vote?"
 
JMR said:
You seem eager to disenfranchise Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Louisville and numerous other populous areas that vote red?
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If you look, the bi-coastal blue towers are towering over the rest of the country.

I think I presented a fair and accurate representation of how presidential elections would go without the Electoral College.

Whomever the blue towers voted for would win the presidential elections going forward.

Campaigning would be limited outside of those blue towers, as the rest of the nation wouldn't represent high vote potential to win elections. Further, national policy, at least from the executive branch, would then be set to advantage those in the blue towers, probably at the expense of the rest of the nation, as that's where there votes for presidential re-election would be.

Pretty soon the middle of the country, being fed up with that, would start electing their own president, and their own Senate and House.

Not a good path for what is supposed to be The United States.
 
RobertU said:
In a state election, do the voters in big cities "disenfranchise" the voters in rural areas? Do small town dwellers in Texas say, "This election is being decided by them folks in Dallas and Houston. Why should I even vote?"
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Yes, to an extent. In Michigan it is often the case that the Detroit metro area out votes the western side of the state as well as Northern Michigan.
However, if really fed up, moving to another state becomes an option.
Moving to another country much less so.
 
Deuce said:
I keep hearing the electoral college going away would somehow dramatically alter the political landscape. So I ask:

Would your vote change? If you're a Democrat, would you vote Republican? If you're a Republican, would you vote Democrat?

Because I don't see candidates suddenly changing their mind on key issues. Republicans aren't going to suddenly become pro-choice just because the electoral college goes away, right? Why would the candidates be any different?
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As an Independent, the answer is simple No.
 
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