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Should Colleges Be Forced To Allow Free Speech Or Lose Federal Funding?

Should Colleges Be Forced To Allow Free Speech Or Lose Federal Funding?

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<alt>doxygen said:
I agree with the sentiment, but I know there are exceptions when colleges are being asked to host people who's appearance might result in violence. Insurance is expensive. Life is more expensive.
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I don't know the answer then, except stop having speakers. Is it necessary for an education, that you can only get exposed to at a university?

It's a nice thing, but not necessary imo.
 
Felis Leo said:
If there are people threatening to commit acts of violence and other criminality against speakers or their audience, I cannot think of anything better for taxpayer money to be spent on.
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I would think policing that group in the first place and aggressive punishments for those engaged in violence against the free exercise of rights would be a better expenditure of money.
 
Ikari said:
Or you never actually made your point, and ran away thinking you had. Usually the way propagandists go, lol.
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It's not my responsibility that you are seemingly triggered by facts.
Maybe you should learn not to throw the word propaganda around so freely.
You most certainly have worn out, while misusing the word on this thread.

Bye-bye.

:2wave:
 
Casper said:
Ok, allowing a leader of a hate group to make a speech, why should anyone be forced to allow it.
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Because whether you like it or not, they also have the right to free speech. If they don't want to allow all to make a speech, then don't take any federal or state funds. If you want government funds, you have to follow government rules, in this case, the Constitution.
 
trixare4kids said:
It's not my responsibility that you are seemingly triggered by facts.
Maybe you should learn not to throw the word propaganda around so freely.
You most certainly have worn out, while misusing the word on this thread.

Bye-bye.

:2wave:
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lol

Propaganda is propaganda. The Universities that assessed higher security fees were not doing so solely for the reason of the speaker being conservative, which is the basis of your conspiracy theory. They were made because those specific events cost a much higher amount of money to provide security for. And that practice was struck down. Universities DO host speakers of a wide array of political ideologies and spend upwards of millions of dollars for security at those events. Those are facts, facts you seem to ignore in order to spin your narrative of some vast left-wing conspiracy.
 
Moderate Right said:
You mean Democrats don't play to their base? Just read today that Democrats want to ban banks from charging bounced check fees.
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LOL! Seriously?

Cray-cray.
 
Moderate Right said:
You mean Democrats don't play to their base? Just read today that Democrats want to ban banks from charging bounced check fees.
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LOL

now this is funny.

Good post!

I normally ignore anything you post, glad I read this one.
 
holbritter said:
Because whether you like it or not, they also have the right to free speech. If they don't want to allow all to make a speech, then don't take any federal or state funds. If you want government funds, you have to follow government rules, in this case, the Constitution.
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Their free speech is not being stopped, they are free to spout off anything they want just not in that school. Sorry but I simply disagree that they should be forced, at least with some criteria applied.
 
Ikari said:
U.S. colleges spend millions on security to host controversial speakers - MarketWatch

It does cost millions aggregately to provide security. Hell, University of Florida spend 500,000 on one speaker.

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The question should be why do the Universities need to spend all that money on security because someone is merely giving a speech?

How exactly can a speech cause an unsafe environment on any College Campus?

Do all speeches cause an unsafe environment?

Roseann:)
 
Utterly bogus premise of the question.

Should a private entity be forced to expend resources to facilitate your free speech?
 
MrWonka said:
No, it does not. A College University has a responsibility to provide equal access to education, but as an institution of higher education, it has a responsibility to vet the ideas that are being taught to ensure they are based on a minimum of valid reasoning. They also have a responsibility to provide safety and security of all students and ensure a solid learning environment for their students.

You will find that the Supreme Court has already ruled that Public High Schools and Elementary Schools have broad discretion to decide what types of expression are allowed on their campus. They have ruled that a safe and stress-free learning environment for children is significantly more important than worrying about localized free speech.

Free speech says you can say what you want, but it doesn't say you can say it wherever or whenever you want.


And as with most of his Executive Orders, it will be Struck down by any court with even a remedial understanding of the Constitution.
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Please refer to Trump's EO.
 
CharisRose said:
The question should be why do the Universities need to spend all that money on security because someone is merely giving a speech?

How exactly can a speech cause an unsafe environment on any College Campus?

Do all speeches cause an unsafe environment?

Roseann:)
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It isn't the speeches that create the unsafe environment. It's the intolerance shown by those who have been taught that speech which is offensive to their tender ears should not be heard. Liberal academia greatly influences the intolerance. University professors tend to impose their political views in the classroom in order to indoctrinate, hence causing their students to become intolerant of other points of view.
 
trixare4kids said:
It isn't the speeches that create the unsafe environment. It's the intolerance shown by those who have been taught that speech which is offensive to their tender ears should not be heard. Liberal academia greatly influences the intolerance. University professors tend to impose their political views in the classroom in order to indoctrinate, hence causing their students to become intolerant of other points of view.
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You want to ban students from expressing outrage at nazis?
 
Colleges exist to educate and inform students, not indoctrinate them into one ideology. Debate and intelligent discussion should be the rule, not impassioned recantation of slogans and talking points of some questionable ideology. Students need to learn to think, evaluate, and form opinions based on actual mental process.
 
Ikari said:
I mean, they already did allow free speech and hosted many speakers on all sides of the political spectrum. So this really wasn't an issue to start with. There's no "about time", it's just a Fake News story and manufactured drama.
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Not true. Conservative speakers are frequently denied space or time to speak. Students expressing conservative view points are often shouted down or silenced by professors.
 
Moderate Right said:
lol!!
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Thanks for admitting I was correct, can't refute anything. Learn to troll better, stupid **** like this is obvious

Sampson Simpson said:
Not allowing someone to speak at the university has nothing to do with free speech. Nobody is getting imprisoned for their speech. That's what is protected from the constitution. Not the ability to spout your BS anywhere you want and without other people expressing their free speech against it.

Not allowing someone to spew hate and lies at a institution of higher learning is them exercising their rights.

As usual, the right are being complete and utter assholes
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Arjay81 said:
Apparently not a follower of the news. Liberal students and facility are constantly trying to deny any speech that the don't approve of. Does that sound like free speech to you?
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Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Protesting a speaker is exercising first amendment rights of free speech.
Keep whining right winger, you just make fools of yourself and show to everybody else you don't have any arguments. Deplorables indeed
 
Arjay81 said:
There is no requirement for anyone to listen. If people do not want to hear a speaker, don't go and listen to them
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Please. The internet exists. There is no rational reason for someone to show up on someone's college campus anymore if the goal is simply to be heard. The goal of showing up for a speech on a College Campus is to gain legitimacy. These ****ty right-wingers don't show up at UC Berkley to have a rational discussion they show there to troll. They show up there to shove themselves into people's faces and remind everyone they are there. If all they wanted was to put their ideas out there for consideration they would be happy just to have them on YouTube, or a forum like this. They want the legitimacy that a College Forum gives them. No Institution of Higher Education should be forced to let any Tom, dick, or harry that shows up wanting to give a speech that platform. Evaluating the merits of ideas to ensure they are not one big walking fallacy is the job of a college.
 
noonereal said:
Honest, what is with you people?

Your perceived victimization has you engulfed.

It was only two short years ago that the GOp screamed about personal respectability.

Now most have converted to Trumpism and being perpetual victims.
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the same thing that has always been wrong with the right, they are hypocrites, complete idiots, and dishonest scumbags
 
Bullseye said:
Not true. Conservative speakers are frequently denied space or time to speak. Students expressing conservative view points are often shouted down or silenced by professors.
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There are protests that revolve around a certain group of controversial speakers and additional security costs that are associated with that. It is not to say that a) those controversial speakers aren't allowed to speak or b) all conservatives are prohibited from speaking. Universities have spent millions of dollars on security for controversial speakers to appear on campus.
 
Casper said:
While I agree in principle I would add that any institution should have some say in the matter, would want to be forced to allow a hate group hold a rally on your campus, I think not.
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Well, they certainly allow the anti-fa to show up on campus. They have no problem with that. They are a hate group who use violence as a means to their objectives.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, they certainly allow the anti-fa to show up on campus. They have no problem with that. They are a hate group who use violence as a means to their objectives.
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I'm not sure "allow" has anything to do with antifa. I'm pretty sure they don't ask the Universities permission to walk onto campus. Universities spend millions of dollars on controversial speakers to try to provide adequate security to combat the antifa problem.
 
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