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Will Trump Disavow New Zealand mass shooter?

Will he disavow?

  • Yes...he will abandon white supremacy support.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No...he will not risk his base.

    Votes: 19 44.2%

  • He does not need to, he had nothing to do with it.

    Votes: 19 44.2%

  • ....other....I'll explain

    Votes: 5 11.6%
  • Total voters
    43
This kinda stuff is why Trump even has a chance at re-election. There is such a desperate attempt (and I mean truly pathetically desperate) to tie this guy to the right wing and Trump in particular. It's been a long time since I read or heard the term "right-wing" come out of so much media. That's not even touching the posts on here that have been ... well, just sad.

When this kind of stuff is attempted, it makes people with a rational mind start to wonder how much there is to all the other crazy things we hear about Trump. Personally, he did more than enough before he ever ran for president to ensure I will never vote for him and his bypassing of the constitution would have sealed the deal alone. However, there are a lot of people who aren't so decided.

Mix in the fact that almost everyone who has declared to run against him is very far left instead of presenting moderates the independents and such can support and you've got a dangerous mix.
 
There is not a person on this forum that can say I am a Trump fan. In fact, just the opposite.

But, when I heard about this attrocity, one of the first faces I saw on MY TV set was Trumpy condemning this act in the strongest terms possible. He said what every president, since I can remember, said in situations like this. He said exactly what any POTUS was supposed say.

The nit-picking of some folks just makes me shake my head. It makes me wonder if there is any truth to the crazy Trumpt-speak, when they throw out that stupid "TDS" bull****. Because, seriously, I'm thinking some of you folks in here would hate Trump even if he cured cancer. I said the samething about the wingtards who were, (and still are) consumed with Obama hate.

"Thou protesteth too much."

Have a nice Sunday everybody.
 
Keridan said:
This kinda stuff is why Trump even has a chance at re-election. There is such a desperate attempt (and I mean truly pathetically desperate) to tie this guy to the right wing and Trump in particular. It's been a long time since I read or heard the term "right-wing" come out of so much media. That's not even touching the posts on here that have been ... well, just sad.

When this kind of stuff is attempted, it makes people with a rational mind start to wonder how much there is to all the other crazy things we hear about Trump. Personally, he did more than enough before he ever ran for president to ensure I will never vote for him and his bypassing of the constitution would have sealed the deal alone. However, there are a lot of people who aren't so decided.

Mix in the fact that almost everyone who has declared to run against him is very far left instead of presenting moderates the independents and such can support and you've got a dangerous mix.
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Leave it to the Dems to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
TrueScotsman said:
I think he's a contributing factor. Did we have guys with Tiki Torches chanting in the streets, "Jews will not replace us," before Trump. I think the Far Right is clearly emboldened.
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Trump is no more responsible for other people's actions than I am.

Now...if you think Trump is a "contributing factor", cool. You have the right to your opinion. Since I've neither seen nor heard Trump do or say anything to support those nutjobs, I have to disagree.
 
socialist eco-fascist. He self identified. So I guess that makes Bernie responsible.
 
tecoyah said:
Donald Trump was mentioned by name in the manifesto as an inspiration....
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Tarrant also mentioned Candice Owens in his memeifesto…

do you think he will disavow the connection?
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My vote is my answer(no why would he). But do you think he should? If so why?
 
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TrueScotsman said:
You think its merely a coincidence that they think this way? Do you think he has no reason whatsoever to see Trump as a revitalization of the White Identity?
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Trump is in charge of a multicultural nation that was not a multicultural nation when he was a young man. He doesn't have
the large backing of of this America to be the revitalizer of the White Identity, the horse is out of the barn.

Victor Orban & Péter Szijjártó are leading the way in that regard & they have the support of their people.
“What we don’t want is a massive illegal influx coming from the south to us. We want to keep Hungary a Hungarian country.
And we don’t think multiculturalism is by definition good,” he explained. “I understand that the liberal mainstream doesn’t like
our laws. But it is the Hungarian voters whose expectations we have to fulfill.”

The V4 nations are on the right track. Poland is for the Polish people and Hungary is for Hungarians. It would be nice if
the leftist in the US would not have the attitude that led us trending downward for the last 4 or 5 decades. Trump's
trying but all he can really do is stem the tide.
 
slick said:
Trump is in charge of a multicultural nation that was not a multicultural nation when he was a young man. He doesn't have
the large backing of of this America to be the revitalizer of the White Identity, the horse is out of the barn.

Victor Orban & Péter Szijjártó are leading the way in that regard & they have the support of their people.
“What we don’t want is a massive illegal influx coming from the south to us. We want to keep Hungary a Hungarian country.
And we don’t think multiculturalism is by definition good,” he explained. “I understand that the liberal mainstream doesn’t like
our laws. But it is the Hungarian voters whose expectations we have to fulfill.”

The V4 nations are on the right track. Poland is for the Polish people and Hungary is for Hungarians. It would be nice if
the leftist in the US would not have the attitude that led us trending downward for the last 4 or 5 decades. Trump's
trying but all he can really do is stem the tide.
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America has always been multicultural, it just used one culture to dominate and suppress all the others until fairly recently. Christianity is dying and the desperate hopes of Conservatives to forces its edicts down our throats with the law will fail. America is NOT a White Nation, there is no racism sense is saying Keep America, American. Perhaps White Nationalists should reevaluate our history.
 
tecoyah said:
Donald Trump was mentioned by name in the manifesto as an inspiration....do you think he will disavow the connection?
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-mosques-attack-suspect-praised-trump-manifesto-190315100143150.html[/FONT]
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Donald Trump is named a thousand times everyday in the press. Does he need/should he respond to every wacko/insane person/comment about him?

Oh there is no connection as you state!

Here is what president Trump and the White had to say about the horrific mass killing.

WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump and the White House on Friday condemned the terrorist attacks at New Zealand mosques and said the U.S. will extend any support necessary.

"My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured," Trump tweeted. "The U.S. stands by New Zealand for anything we can do. God bless all!"

Trump plans to speak with New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern later Friday.

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders sent out a separate statement saying "we stand in solidarity with the people of New Zealand and their government against this vicious act of hate.”
 
tecoyah said:
Donald Trump was mentioned by name in the manifesto as an inspiration....do you think he will disavow the connection?
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-mosques-attack-suspect-praised-trump-manifesto-190315100143150.html[/FONT]
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I certainly would, but I'm not Trump.
 
Will Trump Disavow New Zealand mass shooter?

Trump certainly won't. He'll send his boy Mulvaney out on the Sunday morning circuit to do that.
 
Mycroft said:
Take your Trump hating media nonsense and shove it.

Here is what that NZ nutjob said about Trump:



Here is what that NZ nutjob said about himself:



Perhaps the question should be: Does Bernie, AOC...and their ilk...disavow this NZ nutjob?
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He still said Trump is a symbol of white identity. Neither Bernie nor Aoc need to disavow. Socialism and fascism are fundamentally incompatible ideologies.
 
wellwisher said:
From what I read and heard the shooter related to Trump in terms of his nationalism. However, he did not agree with Trump in terms of most of his overall policies. This adds to him being mostly the product of left wing politics, with some right wing lean. He considered himself a green or eco-nazi, which is connected to left wing environmental and global warming types. The utter fear and panic of global warming could have been a stressor.

One litmus test, that seems to verified his left leaning, was connected to him being able to broadcast the assassination live on the internet, without immediate censor. If he had been considered Conservative, the algorithms would have censored him long ago. The leftist are given more freedom by the algorithms. My guess is the algorithms added up his long term political bent, and decided he was one of them. Trump can't accept all the credit for his education, since the algorithms thought he was a card carrying leftist.
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Lolwut? You really should take a basic class in political science and civics.
 
Mycroft said:
No, and neither has Trump.

But the nutjob's frame of mind is more akin to socialists than it is to populist conservatives like Trump.
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He is an ethno nationalist, that ideology is right wing. Hitler promoted environmental programs and produced eco games like Jagd auf Kohlenklau alongside anti semitic games like juden raus. Populist conservatism of Trump’s variety plays solely on race hatred which deflects the masses away from critiquing the ruling class. Something socialists are not fond of..
 
A few observations here.

Why should Trump disavow anything when a crime happens in a foreign country?
Did any Muslim leaders disavow Muslim extremist after any of the Muslim extremist attacks?
Just because the guy is white does that make him a right wing extremist?
Why didn't New Zealand's strict gun laws prevent this from happening?
 
Eventually he will condemn the shooter and the act, and hate in general but he'll avoid condemning Right-wing terrorism in particular, or he'll backtrack on it soon after if he does.
 
TrueScotsman said:
America has always been multicultural, it just used one culture to dominate and suppress all the others until fairly recently. Christianity is dying and the desperate hopes of Conservatives to forces its edicts down our throats with the law will fail. America is NOT a White Nation, there is no racism sense is saying Keep America, American. Perhaps White Nationalists should reevaluate our history.
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'America has always been multicultural' pure nonsense.

As late as 1960 Eisenhower’s & Kennedy's America was a nation of 160 million with
a European Christian core and a 'CULTURE UNIQUELY ITS OWN' . The
USA was a country then. What will hold this country together if we don't control both legal & illegal immigration.
It will become a stew of 450 million of every creed culture & color from every country on earth.
NOT A PRESCRIPTION FOR TRANQUILITY!
 
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tecoyah said:
Donald Trump was mentioned by name in the manifesto as an inspiration....do you think he will disavow the connection?
[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/zealand-mosques-attack-suspect-praised-trump-manifesto-190315100143150.html[/FONT]
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The shooter hated trump, so what's to disavow?
 
tecoyah said:
Donald Trump was mentioned by name in the manifesto as an inspiration....do you think he will disavow the connection?
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I picked, "other". Like he did with Charlottesville, he'll cave to pressure and make some kind of weasley rebuke to white supremacists in a few days, then he'll throw is support back behind them a few days later.
 
Mycroft said:
No, and neither has Trump.

But the nutjob's frame of mind is more akin to socialists than it is to populist conservatives like Trump.
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Guess you missed how I voted in the Poll.

Tarrant's apparent frame of mind is more aligned with Donald Trump's brand of racism, bigotry, and xenophobic activism. He may state he is more a socialist but he certainly is not one akin to modern Liberal American socialists.

Trump isn't a Conservative.

He is a self centered, self indulged capitalist with a remarkable ability to sell bridges, or wall, to deluded Republicans, wannabe Conservatives, and all other Right leaning aggrieved.
 
tecoyah said:
If Sparticus had a history of supporting/accepting the shooters mindset...people of thought probably would. One need not be left leaning to see this as it is blatantly obvious.
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A deranged madman in New Zealand is not a problem here in America like roaming bands of black lives matter cop killers are.
 
Anyone who thinks Trump is a white supremacist is a moron.
 
Will Pelosi and Schumer disavow the shooter that they share his political views with on Trump's policies?
 
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