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    What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Recently the largest admissions scandal in modern history broke, in which 50 people have been indicted in Federal Court for bribery and fraud in order to have their children admitted into some of the most elite universities in the country (and the world, for that matter). To me this is beyond outrageous, and it seems to destroy the value of these degrees. It destroys the value of the degrees for the kids who basically spent most of their childhoods and adolescence preparing and working their fingers to the bone to study, test, do countless extracurricular activities in order get into these universities. It also destroys the value of the degrees for folks from wealthy families where we do not know whether they got these degrees due to their merit, or because mommy and daddy paid through the nose to have little Bobby or Clarissa admitted into Yale.

    So here is the question to the folks here: What, if anything should be done against the students admitted under the auspices of bribery and fraud to protect the integrity of the university system? Should anything be done to protect the integrity of the university system beyond that which is already being done to the parents, counselors and third-party procurers? I have given some suggestions. Please feel free to write your suggestions.

    EDIT: Stupid character limitation and time limit rules.

    Here were the options I was going to post:

    1. Expel them. They got in under false pretenses and should not profit by their parents cheating the system and being placed ahead of people who worked and studied hard to be admitted into university.
    2. Expel them. Allowing them to remain undermines the public perception of the value of higher education degrees through merit.
    3. Nothing. Blame the parents not their children. How could these poor children have known that they were not bright enough to make it into Harvard and Yale?
    4. Nothing. Leave them in. This just helps to prove top-notch universities are just an overpriced social-networking scam and not places of higher learning for our best and brightest.
    5. Nothing. Why bother? The system is utterly corrupt. If the rich cannot bribe their children’s way in in this manner, they’ll just figure something else out.
    6. Do individual evaluations to see if they are actually worthy of remaining at the university (but make sure they are not the same proctors that they bribed before of course).
    7. I cannot decide.
    8. Other.
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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Recently the largest admissions scandal in modern history broke, in which 50 people have been indicted in Federal Court for bribery and fraud in order to have their children admitted into some of the most elite universities in the country (and the world, for that matter). To me this is beyond outrageous, and it seems to destroy the value of these degrees. It destroys the value of the degrees for the kids who basically spent most of their childhoods and adolescence preparing and working their fingers to the bone to study, test, do countless extracurricular activities in order get into these universities. It also destroys the value of the degrees for folks from wealthy families where we do not know whether they got these degrees due to their merit, or because mommy and daddy paid through the nose to have little Bobby or Clarissa admitted into Yale.

    So here is the question to the folks here: What, if anything should be done against the students admitted under the auspices of bribery and fraud to protect the integrity of the university system? Should anything be done to protect the integrity of the university system beyond that which is already being done to the parents, counselors and third-party procurers? I have given some suggestions. Please feel free to write your suggestions.
    1. Make them retake every entrance exam. Today. No prep time. Pass or fail.
    2. Any sports relate entry. Out unless they are active competing in that sport.
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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    They should be expelled and the the parents should be prosecuted.
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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    They have to be given the boot. They got in under false pretenses that they likely knew about.

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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felis Leo View Post
    Recently the largest admissions scandal in modern history broke, in which 50 people have been indicted in Federal Court for bribery and fraud in order to have their children admitted into some of the most elite universities in the country (and the world, for that matter). To me this is beyond outrageous, and it seems to destroy the value of these degrees. It destroys the value of the degrees for the kids who basically spent most of their childhoods and adolescence preparing and working their fingers to the bone to study, test, do countless extracurricular activities in order get into these universities. It also destroys the value of the degrees for folks from wealthy families where we do not know whether they got these degrees due to their merit, or because mommy and daddy paid through the nose to have little Bobby or Clarissa admitted into Yale.

    So here is the question to the folks here: What, if anything should be done against the students admitted under the auspices of bribery and fraud to protect the integrity of the university system? Should anything be done to protect the integrity of the university system beyond that which is already being done to the parents, counselors and third-party procurers? I have given some suggestions. Please feel free to write your suggestions.

    EDIT: Stupid character limitation and time limit rules.

    Here were the options I was going to post:

    1. Expel them. They got in under false pretenses and should not profit by their parents cheating the system and being placed ahead of people who worked and studied hard to be admitted into university.
    2. Expel them. Allowing them to remain undermines the public perception of the value of higher education degrees through merit.
    3. Nothing. Blame the parents not their children. How could these poor children have known that they were not bright enough to make it into Harvard and Yale?
    4. Nothing. Leave them in. This just helps to prove top-notch universities are just an overpriced social-networking scam and not places of higher learning for our best and brightest.
    5. Do individual evaluations to see if they are actually worthy of remaining at the university (but make sure they are not the same proctors that they bribed before of course).
    6. Nothing. Why bother? The system is utterly corrupt. If the rich cannot bribe their children’s way in in this manner, they’ll just figure something else out.
    7. I cannot decide.
    8. Other.
    8. Other, getting accepted to a college is not a guarantee of a degree, simply allowing an under performing student in, happens all the time.
    If they received received fraudulent scholarships, they should loose those, but if they can pay the tuition like anyone else, they should be allowed to stay.
    I was on a committee that reviewed college applications for the science and engineering programs at the university where I worked.
    I would argue with the more straight academic types that a 30 year old who had low grades in collage when they were 18,
    should be at least allowed to try. The thought being that at 30, they may have a bit more motivation than they had at 18.
    If someone who has been admitted,even by questionable means not of their doing,
    performs at the level required of that university, then they should be allowed to continue.
    If the student would not have been admitted under the normal criteria, yet is doing above average, perhaps the university
    should evaluate their admission criteria.

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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    They should be expelled and the the parents should be prosecuted.
    Even if those students are doing well? That seems extreme and dangerous.
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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Kick them out, but they can try to get back in honestly.


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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    They have to be given the boot. They got in under false pretenses that they likely knew about.
    I will not punish the children wholesale. Let them prove their worth.

    And hammer the parents. They get no mercy.
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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    Even if those students are doing well? That seems extreme and dangerous.
    The students used improper methods to gain admission and they knew the penalty for such behavior.
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    Re: What Should Happen to the College Students Whose Parents Bribed Their Way In?

    Expel them and prosecute the parents.
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