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What is Your IQ?

What is Your IQ?


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As I said, the numbers say that it is considerably less unlikely than the names might. (No offense intended.)

Perhaps I'm just crabby thinking that the odds of my having a higher IQ than shuamort are fairly low. Thankfully I'm a skeptic or I don't know how I'd roll out of bed tomorrow.
 
Yep. My husband and I played Blokus and Set with our kids all the time because those two games were highly touted as cognitive boosting games. With time the kids were actually better at the SET card game than we were. It was sort of disturbing.

We play memory games and read all the time. Every day, multiple times.

We also let them do "grown up things" like talk to adults instead of adults asking me their age, I say to ask my girls and then big conversations ensue... they do much of the shopping, task oriented stuff that they love, like paying and getting the reciept and organizing the cart after getting the items... letting them think theings out and come to their own conclusions and then supporting them and guiding them towards the appropriate conclusion... **** like that. Our girls are like a few other kids around here. Leaders. Both. One is introverted, the other extroverted. Both leaders and confident. Martial arts starts soon! Confidence builder.
 
They have nothing to do with education.
If they did, they wouldn't be administered to small children, who have none to speak of.


Incorrect. Small children have no FORMAL education, but they definitely receive an education. It comes from parents/ siblings etc.

When you see the little kid who can name all fifty states at 2 years old, I guarantee you that kid didn't lick that information off of the ground. She was TUAGHT it by sombody. Most likely her parents.

The test is definitely not "racist". It's innanimate.

But even if it were capable of cognition and an abilty to discern morphological differences (Both necessary traits in order to be racist), the evidence still does not suggest racism since there are many people who score very high regardless of race.

Where the differences can be found is not in Racial distinctions, but socio-economic distinctions. People of a lower socio-economic tier have lower averages than people of a higher socio-economic tier.


Now there are multiple possibilities for these differences. The test does not imply that there is a racial differnce at all when adjusted for socio-economic factors.

Now, these data that you cited also coincided with a rise in socio-ecoomic status for blacks because they are no longer being falsely held back based on arbitrary distinctions, but like anything, change doesn't happen over night.

The fact that as the conditions outside of the test improve for a group their scores improve is total and complete proof that there is no racial distinction being made.

Nor is the test "classist". It is simply a measuring tool. There are so many factors that go into beiogn in that lower socio-economic tier that affect IQ scores that simply disregarding the test as "classist" becasuse of a REAL correlation is folly.

The class distinctions are more likely caused by societal differences along with other outside factors that would naturally cause lower IQ's to have a natural overrepresentation in the lower tiers.

The problem is not the natural gravitation of naturally lower intellects, but it is the FALSE holding down of naturally greater intellects (this can be caused by racist social policies like Jim Crow, discrimination based on arbitrary distinctions, cutlural pressures to feign stupidity, etc.)

But the test works wonderfully as a measure of progress in minimizing the ga for "equality of opportunity" over time.

But, that being said, there will ALWAYS be an oportunity gap based on socio-economic tier. Money more easily opens the "doors to opportunity". That doesn't mean the "doors to opportunity" are always closed to the lower tiers.

It just means that the "crowbar of ambition" needs to be used from time to time. ;)
 
Yep. My husband and I played Blokus and Set with our kids all the time because those two games were highly touted as cognitive boosting games. With time the kids were actually better at the SET card game than we were. It was sort of disturbing.

Well, my mother used to play poker with me, right after I earned a few bucks mowing lawns. I learned a LOT from that. If I won, it had to "go on the books" and I never got paid. If I lost, well, I learned a different lesson.:lol:
It only took 2 games to learn that lesson, tho.

We have 7 grandkids, live close to 4 of them. The youngest, a girl, is quite aggressive when it comes to wanting to win, so she does often. The boys are more mellow and don't care who wins most of the time. I see that as being very mature for their age, that or not wanting little sister to pitch a fit when she loses.
My wife is a retired teacher and can make comparisons to the 8th graders she used to teach, and she says our grandkids are all operating at well beyond their years. Since we will pay them for grades starting in 6th grade, we expect to be shelling out more than a few bucks. They get money for A's only, tho, nothing for B's, and they pay us for C's. The oldest starts getting money this year, we expect to be broke by the time they get thru High School...
 
We play memory games and read all the time. Every day, multiple times.

We also let them do "grown up things" like talk to adults instead of adults asking me their age, I say to ask my girls and then big conversations ensue... they do much of the shopping, task oriented stuff that they love, like paying and getting the reciept and organizing the cart after getting the items... letting them think theings out and come to their own conclusions and then supporting them and guiding them towards the appropriate conclusion... **** like that. Our girls are like a few other kids around here. Leaders. Both. One is introverted, the other extroverted. Both leaders and confident. Martial arts starts soon! Confidence builder.

A coworker once had to go to his daugher's school and deal with a situation that involved his "little girl" and her martial arts training. Seems a classmate reached out and grabbed her boob, and she broke the kid's arm throwing him to the ground. When I say little girl, she was a teen, but fairly small for her age. Think of the embarrassment for the boy! Getting his ass whupped by a scrawny little girl...
Our little granddaughter in AZ is one that adults can converse with. We saw early on that she can talk the ears off an elephant, and can be quite funny as well. She was diagnosed with an inoperable, but very slow growing, brain tumor just before turning 7, and we had people sending cards, calling, etc. that we didn't even know she knew. Staff at her school (other than her teacher) called to check on her. She has spoken at many fund raising events, such as one for Phoenix Childrens Hospital, sharing the dias with the mayor when a new wing was being announced.
Kids can be amazing....
 
A coworker once had to go to his daugher's school and deal with a situation that involved his "little girl" and her martial arts training. Seems a classmate reached out and grabbed her boob, and she broke the kid's arm throwing him to the ground. When I say little girl, she was a teen, but fairly small for her age. Think of the embarrassment for the boy! Getting his ass whupped by a scrawny little girl...
Our little granddaughter in AZ is one that adults can converse with. We saw early on that she can talk the ears off an elephant, and can be quite funny as well. She was diagnosed with an inoperable, but very slow growing, brain tumor just before turning 7, and we had people sending cards, calling, etc. that we didn't even know she knew. Staff at her school (other than her teacher) called to check on her. She has spoken at many fund raising events, such as one for Phoenix Childrens Hospital, sharing the dias with the mayor when a new wing was being announced.
Kids can be amazing....

Wow, she sounds amazing!

How is she doing. Does cyberknife technology give her a better prognosis?
 
Wow, she sounds amazing!

How is she doing. Does cyberknife technology give her a better prognosis?

The doctors won't say.....she is on chemo and tolerating it well. Will likely go on radiation therapy when she gets a little older. One of her doctors has a girl in college with a very similar condition, so we know that he will be up on the newest and best treatments available. But with the tumor intertwined around other brain tissue, there isn't much hope for a surgical solution.

Here is her blog...Makenzie Moore

She gets another MRI next week to see what may have happened when her counts were too low to have chemo for several weeks. We hope for the best for her but fear for her future. All we can do is have faith in the skills of her doctors...and in God's will....
 
The doctors won't say.....she is on chemo and tolerating it well. Will likely go on radiation therapy when she gets a little older. One of her doctors has a girl in college with a very similar condition, so we know that he will be up on the newest and best treatments available. But with the tumor intertwined around other brain tissue, there isn't much hope for a surgical solution.

Here is her blog...Makenzie Moore

She gets another MRI next week to see what may have happened when her counts were too low to have chemo for several weeks. We hope for the best for her but fear for her future. All we can do is have faith in the skills of her doctors...and in God's will....

My mother had an aggressive blioblastoma. Those have "tentacles" as well. She was operated on but it only gave her an extra three months over the prognosis if she didn't have the operation. She was put to sleep during the operation out of fear of her having a seizure during the operation. This meant that they had a greater risk of injuring the brain. They did. She couldn't speak properly (Sentences didn't make sense) and her right side was paralyzed. She also had an aggressive attitude. She refused chemo and radiation that was supposed to follow the surgery.

I hope she can beat this. It sounds like she has the right attitude to beat it.
 
I hope she can beat this. It sounds like she has the right attitude to beat it.

Children in these situations are amazing.
When we were visiting her at Phoenix Children's Hospital there were a lot of other children there in ICU rooms and we asked one nurse how she could stand to see all the little ones sick and dying. She said it is heart breaking at times, but the kids are much better patients than the adults she used to work with. Kids rarely complain about their problems.
Over the last few years, Makenzie has grown to realize that this can be fatal. She has had a few friends die, but she won't talk about them much after they go. We all tried to keep her from full awareness, but by now she knows.....
As grandparents, whie we are getting to see a new generation of kids grow up, we are seeing it more clearly than when raising our own kids. Environment has to be a much larger factor in IQ than we used to think. The more knowledge kids are exposed to, the more they learn...it is exponential.
Thinking parents of this generation can help make succeeding generations achieve so much more than we did. Each generation can be better than the last, but it will always require support from the current generation...
But too many parents are passively feeding and clothing their kids, without any real parenting/mentoring involved.
 
A coworker once had to go to his daugher's school and deal with a situation that involved his "little girl" and her martial arts training. Seems a classmate reached out and grabbed her boob, and she broke the kid's arm throwing him to the ground. When I say little girl, she was a teen, but fairly small for her age. Think of the embarrassment for the boy! Getting his ass whupped by a scrawny little girl...
Our little granddaughter in AZ is one that adults can converse with. We saw early on that she can talk the ears off an elephant, and can be quite funny as well. She was diagnosed with an inoperable, but very slow growing, brain tumor just before turning 7, and we had people sending cards, calling, etc. that we didn't even know she knew. Staff at her school (other than her teacher) called to check on her. She has spoken at many fund raising events, such as one for Phoenix Childrens Hospital, sharing the dias with the mayor when a new wing was being announced.
Kids can be amazing....


All I have done so far is to teach my 5 year old to throw another kid off balance by pushing/grabbing their shoulder and/or hip areas. She had to use it once with a boy that was angry/frustrated and pushing her a bit. She grabbed the kid (who was much bigger than her) his shirt at his shoulder... she did the push back and then yank forward and down move. Boy gets practically flipped down to ground and his mom freaked, but a couple of other moms were impressed and knew that the boy was in the wrong. Oh well. We do what we can for our kids and teach them to be good too.
 
All I have done so far is to teach my 5 year old to throw another kid off balance by pushing/grabbing their shoulder and/or hip areas. She had to use it once with a boy that was angry/frustrated and pushing her a bit. She grabbed the kid (who was much bigger than her) his shirt at his shoulder... she did the push back and then yank forward and down move. Boy gets practically flipped down to ground and his mom freaked, but a couple of other moms were impressed and knew that the boy was in the wrong. Oh well. We do what we can for our kids and teach them to be good too.
sounds like judo, I did a bit of that for a few months in 65, and the best thing I learned was how to fall without hurting myself. Comes in handy when walking on ice....
The push pull works, timed right. You use their own motions and muscles against them.
....reminds me of a "little" girl in first grade I heard about. When she wanted to kiss a boy, he might as well stand still and take it. If he didn't, she would throw him down on the ground, sit on him, and kiss him. Nowadays she would be getting in trouble for that. Back then, it was just funny.
 
sounds like judo, I did a bit of that for a few months in 65, and the best thing I learned was how to fall without hurting myself. Comes in handy when walking on ice....
The push pull works, timed right. You use their own motions and muscles against them.
....reminds me of a "little" girl in first grade I heard about. When she wanted to kiss a boy, he might as well stand still and take it. If he didn't, she would throw him down on the ground, sit on him, and kiss him. Nowadays she would be getting in trouble for that. Back then, it was just funny.

That is about all I know of Judo.
I have studied Ju-Jitsu and Shotokan quite a bit before stopping a few years back.
My wife is getting really good at Kung Fu.

Mostly, my kids read books and play dress up games like Fairy Princess and such. :lol:
 
All I have done so far is to teach my 5 year old to throw another kid off balance by pushing/grabbing their shoulder and/or hip areas. She had to use it once with a boy that was angry/frustrated and pushing her a bit. She grabbed the kid (who was much bigger than her) his shirt at his shoulder... she did the push back and then yank forward and down move. Boy gets practically flipped down to ground and his mom freaked, but a couple of other moms were impressed and knew that the boy was in the wrong. Oh well. We do what we can for our kids and teach them to be good too.

When I was in kindergarden there was a first grader that kept pushing me off of a piece of playground equipment. My dad told me to pop him one if he didn't stop. He did it the next day and I hit him once in the mouth and he cried like a girl and never bothered me again. I did get suspended for a day but my parents were proud of me.
 
Tucker Case said:
When you see the little kid who can name all fifty states at 2 years old, I guarantee you that kid didn't lick that information off of the ground. She was TUAGHT it by sombody.

I'm sorry, but :laughat: ROFLMFAO!!!!


:lamo:2rofll:

I know, I'm terrible. :2funny::mrgreen:

I love these discussions.

/ wipes eyes.
 
I'm sorry, but :laughat: ROFLMFAO!!!!


:lamo:2rofll:

I know, I'm terrible. :2funny:

I love these discussions.

/ wipes eyes.

I'm the queen of editing typos.

I don't think it's all that funny. :3oops:

Not nearly as funny as the sheer amount of Einsteins I've apparently been hanging with online.
 
Anyone have a clue what Biden,s IQ is? Just askin. :mrgreen:
 
I'm the queen of editing typos.

I don't think it's all that funny. :3oops:

Come on.
"She was TUAGHT it by sombody." is very funny.
The caps, the misspelling, the sentence structure, the second misspelling, the sheer irony. It all comes together.
Maybe I just have a perverse sense of humor.

Not nearly as funny as the sheer amount of Einsteins I've apparently been hanging with online.

That's kind of funny too, though, when you think about it.
That they'd lie about it, I mean.
I think we each, deep down, know exactly how smart we are.
IQ tests and other standardized methods of quantifying intelligence are more art than science.
For starters, they don't work very well on unwilling subjects.
 
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Most people in the middle and upper middle class develop social skills by going to school. Some communities do not have the means to provide this end for themselves (common in the early 20th century).

If a community lacked the facilities or the personnel, parents with means could send their children to a private school. Those without the means could not. As such, illiterace was, and to a certain degree still is, rampant in the lower half of society.

The wealthy can afford good education; however, money is often more a burden than anything else. Weathly parents often stifle their children's attempts at being social (especially where reationships are involved) and thus those kids do not learn proper socialization skills.

They become rich and snobby because they do not understand the norms of socializing, which leads them to be offended by everything that they do not understand to be be "friendly" or at least within their definition of friendly.

The lower half of society has the opposite problem in that regard. Parents are often working two or more jobs just to make ends meet. As a result, they are not home to intrude in their children's relationships. Thier children tend to find affection and kindship among thier peers to fill the void... even when they shouldn't.

:mrgreen:

Vader, this is one of the most intelligent posts I've ever seen you pen, and one I agree with, wholeheartedly, and a position that I have been professing for years.
 
Yeah. I was in a juvenile psychiatric facility.

Many poor people and minorities only take IQ tests in prison, or in preparation for trial. I also consider this "under duress", and I believe it effects the test's efficacy, and therefore the reliability of the statistics.

This is true. I have seen clients of mine take an IQ test when they were extremely depressed, and take it again, months later when they weren't. The IQ differential I've seen has been as high as 15-20 points. IQ doesn't fluctuate like this under normal circumstances, and can be explained by one's emotional state when taking the test.
 
Come on.
"She was TUAGHT it by sombody." is very funny.
The caps, the misspelling, the sentence structure, the second misspelling, the sheer irony. It all comes together.
Maybe I just have a perverse sense of humor.



That's kind of funny too, though, when you think about it.
That they'd lie about it, I mean.
I think we each, deep down, know exactly how smart we are.
IQ tests and other standardized methods of quantifying intelligence are more art than science.
For starters, they don't work very well on unwilling subjects.

Wait, was someone on this site forced to take an IQ test under duress? Could that have resulted in a lower score than that person should otherwise have scored? I'm glad you mentioned this, because I hadn't heard anything about this until now. Certainly not the last 13 times it was brought up.:roll:
 
I'm the queen of editing typos.

If I didn't edit a LOT, my posts would be hard to read. Much of the time my fingers won't go where I tell them to go. At one time I could do 38 words a minute on a manual typewriter, now the old synapses are misfiring and the fingers are all over the place.
But getting old beats the alternative...
 
Who knew that a famous politician posted here?

One of the most overlooked episodes during the 1987 collapse of Biden's campaign was a snippet of footage captured by C-Span in which the Delaware senator, in response to a question about where he went to law school and what sort of grades he received, delivered this classic line: "I think I have a much higher IQ than you do."

The Case Against Joe Biden - The Fix

:lol:
 
My IQ is 230 and my penis is 15 inches long.

I can make anything true on the interwebz.
 
Anyone have a clue what Biden,s IQ is? Just askin. :mrgreen:

If anybody can get him to answer this one question, we can look at his response and find out:

What will you do to make government smaller, reduce taxes, and balance the budget?

Then we will see if he can provide a rational solution.
 
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