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Media is Lying About Russian Influence & Interference- is it Time to Investigate?

Is it time for the government to investigate the DNC, NBC, and New Knowledge?

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Run-down- NBC and other media companies are still quoting a discredited cyber security firm which fabricated evidence of Russian meddling in the Roy Moore/Doug Jones Alabama Senate election of 2017. American MSM are now using the already discredited firm called New Knowledge, in order to spread fake news about Tulsi Gabbard.


https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03...icating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/


NBC NEWS PUBLISHED a predictably viral story Friday, claiming that “experts who track websites and social media linked to Russia have seen stirrings of a possible campaign of support for Hawaii Democrat Tulsi Gabbard.”

But the whole story was a sham: The only “expert” cited by NBC in support of its key claim was the firm New Knowledge, which just got caught by the New York Times fabricating Russian troll accounts on behalf of the Democratic Party in the Alabama Senate race to manufacture false accusations that the Kremlin was interfering in that election.

To justify its claim that Gabbard is the Kremlin’s candidate, NBC stated, “analysts at New Knowledge, the company the Senate Intelligence Committee used to track Russian activities in the 2016 election, told NBC News they’ve spotted ‘chatter’ related to Gabbard in anonymous online message boards, including those known for fomenting right-wing troll campaigns.”

What NBC — amazingly — concealed is a fact that reveals its article to be a journalistic fraud: That same firm, New Knowledge, was caught just six weeks ago engaging in a massive scam to create fictitious Russian troll accounts on Facebook and Twitter in order to claim that the Kremlin was working to defeat Democratic Senate nominee Doug Jones in Alabama. The New York Times, when exposing the scam, quoted a New Knowledge report that boasted of its fabrications: “We orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the [Roy] Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet."


https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03...icating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/
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Is it time for the government to investigate the DNC, NBC, and New Knowledge for spreading disinformation about Russian influence and interference?
 
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truthatallcost said:
Run-down- NBC and other media companies are still quoting a discredited cyber security firm which fabricated evidence of Russian meddling in the Roy Moore/Doug Jones Alabama Senate election of 2017. American MSM are now using the already discredited firm called New Knowledge, in order to spread fake news about Tulsi Gabbard.


https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03...icating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/




Is it time for the government to investigate the DNC, NBC, and New Knowledge for spreading disinformation about Russian influence and interference?
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Given the current power they wield, I think it would be rather pointless for someone other then a third party to investigate them. Especially if we're talking about the DNC. That crap about flooding Roy Moore's ticket with faked Russian bots, was more than a little corrupt of a move and only for them to claim it was a social experiment after being exposed. Only shows that something wasn't really on the up and up.
 
Wow, Trump supporters going full fascist by demanding the government investigate journalists who criticize Trump with facts. The Trump cultists scream fake news every time the media reports word for word what Trump said. Like when his supporters tried to claim Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall and that it was fake news even though we have videos of him saying it.

Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
Wow, Trump supporters going full fascist by demanding the government investigate journalists who criticize Trump with facts. The Trump cultists scream fake news every time the media reports word for word what Trump said. Like when his supporters tried to claim Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall and that it was fake news even though we have videos of him saying it.

Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?
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What a god awful post.

The journalist whose work I quoted in the OP, also broke the Edward Snowden story in 2013, and was one of the biggest critics of the Bush administration. You completely ignored the relevant facts of the story (the DNC pays a cyber security company to fabricate evidence of Russian involvement, which the media then knowingly quotes in order to fabricate fake news in order to hurt people the DNC wants crushed).

This isn't about 'freedom of the press', that's ****ing ridiculous. Its about the DNC using it's media connections to slander people like Tulsi Gabbard. Why are you OK with this?
 
Oborosen said:
Given the current power they wield, I think it would be rather pointless for someone other then a third party to investigate them. Especially if we're talking about the DNC. That crap about flooding Roy Moore's ticket with faked Russian bots, was more than a little corrupt of a move and only for them to claim it was a social experiment after being exposed. Only shows that something wasn't really on the up and up.
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What if a comprehensive independent investigation turned up evidence that the DNC & MSM have been behind much of the so-called meddling? You've probably been accused of being a Russian troll as much as I have, which amounts to dozens of accusations. If we could prove that the DNC and American media shills have knowingly inflated the threat of Russian meddling, it might bring a bit of sanity back to American political discussions.
 
Wow guys, after 2 and a half years of whining and bellyaching about Russian involvement with our election, only 2 people commented about the DNC pulling a Jussie Smollett?
 
truthatallcost said:
Run-down- NBC and other media companies are still quoting a discredited cyber security firm which fabricated evidence of Russian meddling in the Roy Moore/Doug Jones Alabama Senate election of 2017. American MSM are now using the already discredited firm called New Knowledge, in order to spread fake news about Tulsi Gabbard.


https://theintercept.com/2019/02/03...icating-russia-data-for-the-democratic-party/




Is it time for the government to investigate the DNC, NBC, and New Knowledge for spreading disinformation about Russian influence and interference?
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If what the NYT's, and this article points out is true...then most assuredly they should be investigated.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wow, Trump supporters going full fascist by demanding the government investigate journalists who criticize Trump with facts. The Trump cultists scream fake news every time the media reports word for word what Trump said. Like when his supporters tried to claim Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall and that it was fake news even though we have videos of him saying it.

Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?
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Don't you trust the NYT's? If what they claimed is true then the ones responsible for that should most certainly be investigated don't you think? And if NBC is still using the same group knowing what they have done then they should also be investigated for the same reason. Conspiracy to defraud elections are serious accusations and should be paid attention to wouldn't you say? Or does this only apply when the person needing investigated is a Republican? Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?
 
truthatallcost said:
What a god awful post.

The journalist whose work I quoted in the OP, also broke the Edward Snowden story in 2013, and was one of the biggest critics of the Bush administration. You completely ignored the relevant facts of the story (the DNC pays a cyber security company to fabricate evidence of Russian involvement, which the media then knowingly quotes in order to fabricate fake news in order to hurt people the DNC wants crushed).

This isn't about 'freedom of the press', that's ****ing ridiculous. Its about the DNC using it's media connections to slander people like Tulsi Gabbard. Why are you OK with this?
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I'm OK with it because you're completely full of **** and a conspiracy theory peddler. You invent these fantastical stories just so you can dismiss Donald's and Russia's involvement and blame the liberal boogie man. No, you won't be using the government to attack the journalists reporting the facts you don't like.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Don't you trust the NYT's? If what they claimed is true then the ones responsible for that should most certainly be investigated don't you think? And if NBC is still using the same group knowing what they have done then they should also be investigated for the same reason. Conspiracy to defraud elections are serious accusations and should be paid attention to wouldn't you say? Or does this only apply when the person needing investigated is a Republican? Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?
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Since when the hell does a Trump supporter care about the integrity of our elections or Russian involvement? You're dismissive and make excuses when it comes to Donald's and Russian involvement, but if a nutter on an internet forum tells you the liberals did it you're ready to have the government attack journalists. More ****ty actions from people who hate America and its freedom.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Since when the hell does a Trump supporter care about the integrity of our elections or Russian involvement? You're dismissive and make excuses when it comes to Donald's and Russian involvement, but if a nutter on an internet forum tells you the liberals did it you're ready to have the government attack journalists. More ****ty actions from people who hate America and its freedom.
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Actually I have repeatedly stated that I support Muellers investigation and will wait on judging Trump on Russian involvement until after Muellers report comes out. Would you like to try again or stick with your attempted deflection?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually I have repeatedly stated that I support Muellers investigation and will wait on judging Trump on Russian involvement until after Muellers report comes out. Would you like to try again or stick with your attempted deflection?
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Uh huh. Multiple federal convictions of Trump's inner circle can't convince you there's a Trump Campaign Russia link, but you just saw an article from the fake news media claiming its all a liberal conspiracy and now you're ready for justice. :lamo
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Uh huh. Multiple federal convictions of Trump's inner circle can't convince you there's a Trump Campaign Russia link, but you just saw an article from the fake news media claiming its all a liberal conspiracy and now you're ready for justice. :lamo
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I have had the same stance since the beginning. And unlike you I have not tried and convicted anyone in either the Trump case or the case presented in this thread. I distinctly called for an investigation. And for Trump I have supported the investigation.

Now, are you going to answer my questions? Or continue to deflect?

"Don't you trust the NYT's? If what they claimed is true then the ones responsible for that should most certainly be investigated don't you think? And if NBC is still using the same group knowing what they have done then they should also be investigated for the same reason. Conspiracy to defraud elections are serious accusations and should be paid attention to wouldn't you say? Or does this only apply when the person needing investigated is a Republican? Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much? "
 
truthatallcost said:
What if a comprehensive independent investigation turned up evidence that the DNC & MSM have been behind much of the so-called meddling? You've probably been accused of being a Russian troll as much as I have, which amounts to dozens of accusations. If we could prove that the DNC and American media shills have knowingly inflated the threat of Russian meddling, it might bring a bit of sanity back to American political discussions.
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No it wont. We saw just how much the people at large, or at least those with the power that matters actually care about this sort of thing. It was revealed that the DNC rigged their own system against one candidate in favor of the other and the media at large just hand waved the action. It was revealed that one of the candidates had used a private server, when it was expressly against the law and not only got favored in their own investigation. But was caught destroying evidence and still managed to just walk on the issue.

No one who mattered cared and those that did care, had no position, nor power to do a damn thing and that will probably be the same way it will turn out this time as well.
 
Oborosen said:
No it wont. We saw just how much the people at large, or at least those with the power that matters actually care about this sort of thing. It was revealed that the DNC rigged their own system against one candidate in favor of the other and the media at large just hand waved the action. It was revealed that one of the candidates had used a private server, when it was expressly against the law and not only got favored in their own investigation. But was caught destroying evidence and still managed to just walk on the issue.

No one who mattered cared and those that did care, had no position, nor power to do a damn thing and that will probably be the same way it will turn out this time as well.
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Sad state of affairs; after having high hopes for this thread, yet in light of the lack of comments from D's, I believe you're right. The lone leftist who replied here seems to think that I invented the story contained in the OP! And that it can all be safely whisked away by invoking Trump's name. I continue to think that Trump was the best thing to happen to American leftists, as they've completely dispensed with their previous facade of being morally superior, as they've demanded violence against children (Covington boys), faked Russian meddling, and many harbor a not so secret affinity for street thugs like Antifa and MS-13.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If what the NYT's, and this article points out is true...then most assuredly they should be investigated.
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Agreed. If Russian meddling infuriates the American public, then staged Russian meddling by NBC and the DNC should garner even more interest, since its purpose is to gain power from harming Americans.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm OK with it because you're completely full of **** and a conspiracy theory peddler. You invent these fantastical stories...
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Let's stay focused on the story you decided to comment on, shall we? What gave you the impression that my name is Glenn Greenwald, and that I work for the Intercept? Because, if you'd read the OP, you'd know that Glenn Greenwald is the journalist who wrote the article I quoted, and he cited the New York Times as his source, in regards to the faked Russian meddling by the DNC in the Roy Moore Senate race.

In fact, since you're clearly having trouble processing any fact relating to the OP, I'll give you the link to the original NYT story:

Secret Experiment in Alabama Senate Race Imitated Russian Tactics - The New York Times

If you still believe I invented the facts of this matter, I cannot help you further. No one can.


just so you can dismiss Donald's and Russia's involvement and blame the liberal boogie man. No, you won't be using the government to attack the journalists reporting the facts you don't like.
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Investigating potential fraud isn't 'attacking journalists', and the investigation needs to include those at the DNC who paid New Knowledge to fabricate bogus Russian meddling. They're STILL doing it R.A., and spreading this disinformation about Tulsi Gabbard around social media, as we speak.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually I have repeatedly stated that I support Muellers investigation and will wait on judging Trump on Russian involvement until after Muellers report comes out. Would you like to try again or stick with your attempted deflection?
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The problem is that Trump has done so many deplorable things in the public, including related to Russia, that the idea of suspending all judgement against Trump until Mueller concludes is absurd in every meaningful way.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Actually I have repeatedly stated that I support Muellers investigation and will wait on judging Trump on Russian involvement until after Muellers report comes out. Would you like to try again or stick with your attempted deflection?
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You realize his report will not be released to Congress or the public don't you?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wow, Trump supporters going full fascist by demanding the government investigate journalists who criticize Trump with facts. The Trump cultists scream fake news every time the media reports word for word what Trump said. Like when his supporters tried to claim Trump never said Mexico would pay for the wall and that it was fake news even though we have videos of him saying it.

Why do you hate democracy and freedom so much?
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It's interesting what facts you call false and what false information you consider facts. Very interesting.
 
Not necessarily. Back in 2016, USA Today outlined how Donald Trump's ties to Russia go back to the 1980's. So we KNOW that the USSR has been involved in meddling in US elections for decades... why the corporate media tries to downplay this to being a recent development (or why - absurdly so - the Alt-Right and Trump Cult go even further and claim there is NONE AT ALL) we do not yet know (or at least we will know soon enough in the latter instance).

But what NEEDS to happen is a comprehensive reform of our system from the ground up to ensure that this doesn't happen again.
 
Mach said:
The problem is that Trump has done so many deplorable things in the public, including related to Russia, that the idea of suspending all judgement against Trump until Mueller concludes is absurd in every meaningful way.
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There's a difference between what you just talked about and what I was talking about. I never said I wouldn't judge Trump's everyday actions. I won't judge the Russian involvement thing until Muellers is done though. I have also stated before that I don't particularly care for Trumps braggadocio and ego.
 
noonereal said:
You realize his report will not be released to Congress or the public don't you?
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The actual report no, it won't be. But I don't need the full report anyways as even if it was all released completely unredacted I more than likely wouldn't read the whole thing anyways. The summary of it will be good enough for me. A simple "yes there was Russian involvement" or "no there was no Russian involvement" is enough. The details are irrelevant to me, the results are what matters. To me this is the same as when I review court documents I generally skip the middle and just get down to the verdict and opinions at the bottom of every PDF.
 
truthatallcost said:
Sad state of affairs; after having high hopes for this thread, yet in light of the lack of comments from D's, I believe you're right. The lone leftist who replied here seems to think that I invented the story contained in the OP! And that it can all be safely whisked away by invoking Trump's name. I continue to think that Trump was the best thing to happen to American leftists, as they've completely dispensed with their previous facade of being morally superior, as they've demanded violence against children (Covington boys), faked Russian meddling, and many harbor a not so secret affinity for street thugs like Antifa and MS-13.
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I'm not going to go that far, as to say he was the best thing to happen. A step in the right direction, yes. But his actions and behavior have had their own downside for us to deal with. Though I will also readily admit, that it's nowhere near as bad as the left keep trying to make it.

So I'm happy either way.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The actual report no, it won't be. But I don't need the full report anyways as even if it was all released completely unredacted I more than likely wouldn't read the whole thing anyways. The summary of it will be good enough for me. A simple "yes there was Russian involvement" or "no there was no Russian involvement" is enough. The details are irrelevant to me, the results are what matters. To me this is the same as when I review court documents I generally skip the middle and just get down to the verdict and opinions at the bottom of every PDF.
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It is highly unlikely you or Congress will even get a summary.

We already know there was Russian involvement it's a matter of particulars. 1,400 contacts between Russians and the Trump campaign I believe it was.

Hence you already have you macro answer. It is the detail that will show the corruption.

Plus there may well be sealed indictments because we can't indict a sitting President. We will not know that.

Pretty ****ed up.

We never anticipated such a dishonest man would be elected President so when Trump is finally gone we will need to sit down and rewrite the powers of the President. No President, GOp or Democratic should ever be above the law that is essentially what we have created. A Presidency above the law. The pardon is being used right in front of our faces to influence witnesses. Do you really think this is what our forefathers wanted?

Then in NY we know there will be TONS of indictments coming. None can be acted on until he is out of office. If he is reelected the saute of limitation will run out!

Forget Trump, Democrat or Republican. This is just pretty ****ed up. If we make it past Trump these things have to change.
 
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