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How many terms will Ocasio Cortez serve until primaried out of Congress?

How many terms will Ocasio Cortez is primaried out of Congress?

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vegas giants said:
He can veto any spending bill. The Democrats can not override him. The gop and trump own all the blame for the spending in this country
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Dems complain as a campaign issue, but deep down they love to spend. Bernie and his 16 Trillion dollar plan is an example.
 
nitroexpress said:
Dems complain as a campaign issue, but deep down they love to spend. Bernie and his 16 Trillion dollar plan is an example.
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Well we know how much trump loves to put us on debt.....because he has
 
vegas giants said:
Trump never threatened to shut down the wall over debt. Never.


Why? Because he spends like a drunken sailor
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In post #196 you are railing about Trump threatening to shut down the government over the wall &
now you're contradicting yourself in the above post by posting (Trump never threatened to shut down the wall over debt.)
You sound a little punch drunk!
 
slick said:
In post #196 you are railing about Trump threatening to shut down the government over the wall &
now you're contradicting yourself in the above post by posting (Trump never threatened to shut down the wall over debt.)
You sound a little punch drunk!
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No you said he threatened to shut down the government over debt. He never did.


He spends like a drunken sailor
 
zimmer said:
How many terms will Ocasio Cortez serve until primaried out of Congress?

She’s proven toxic to the Leftists. She’s going to be primaried and defeated quickly.

The Democrats can ill afford someone who honestly spills the beans on their whacky ideas.
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She has alot of support in her district and even some outside it.

I think she'll get re-elected a few times, and depending on events might decide to run for senate - although I don't think she could win that kind of race any time soon.
 
A majority of voters in AOC's district still like her, even if they don’t personally identify as Democratic socialists and wish Amazon hadn’t reneged on its deal to come to Queens. Her favorability is also higher among black and Latino constituents, 64 percent of whom approve of her. Just 45 percent of white voters said they had a favorable view of her, though. And she does better with younger voters than older ones. Her favorability rating among voters under 35 stands at 63-18, while voters over age 55 are split, 45-42 percent.
 
Dans La Lune said:
1) After Hillary failed at healthcare, she ceded the argument and accepted donations from her opponents in the healthcare and pharma industries. After which, she was officially bought.
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Just because someone accepts money from an industry doesn't necessarily mean they are a puppet of those industries.

Dans La Lune said:
2) Obama won due to Bernie Bros? Huh?
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Yes. Absolutely. I would wager to you that roughly 70% of people who voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary also voted for Obama in 2008.
 
MrWonka said:
Just because someone accepts money from an industry doesn't necessarily mean they are a puppet of those industries.


Yes. Absolutely. I would wager to you that roughly 70% of people who voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary also voted for Obama in 2008.
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Obama was definitely successful at tricking this Bernie supporter into thinking he might've been different. I should have known, as per my initial assessment of him, that he was bound to disappoint ( Obama the Conservative | Tracking Obama's abandoning of the progressive agenda, and the disconnect between his words and deeds. ) in light of where his funds were coming from, but I guess I wanted to believe that hope and change actually were possible for once; I will never be fooled again. On the upside, Obama has definitely awakened me to the need to far more critically evaluate, research and vet politicos before fully committing my support; from frustration and dashed hopes springs wisdom.

Though, knowing then what I do now, I still would have voted for him over McCain and Romney, just not with any of the enthusiasm I did in 2008.
 
HumblePi said:
A majority of voters in AOC's district still like her, even if they don’t personally identify as Democratic socialists and wish Amazon hadn’t reneged on its deal to come to Queens. Her favorability is also higher among black and Latino constituents, 64 percent of whom approve of her. Just 45 percent of white voters said they had a favorable view of her, though. And she does better with younger voters than older ones. Her favorability rating among voters under 35 stands at 63-18, while voters over age 55 are split, 45-42 percent.
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A fantasy. It looks like the current leading Democrat contender in her district is Ellianna Ortiz, former ADA, current Chairwoman of the Jackson Heights Hispanic Arts Center, Ass't Director of the Queens County Heart Association, wife of Jose Aleman, running for State Assembly from the Bronx and also a leading contender, both of counsel to the Holy Cross of Christ (leading Catholic church in the Bronx), daughter of Juan and Isabella Ortiz, former Prima Ballerina of Puerto Rico. Juan is one of the leading immigration attorneys in the district. She has been endorsed by every Catholic parish in the district. Her two daughters attend St. Joan of Arc Catholic School on 82nd Street in Jackson Heights, a block away from her law office. She has backing from the Jackson Heights Lawyers Association and key backroom democrat players Rudy Greco and Raphael Marchione. Real family values and role model parents in the district adore. Ellianna attended Cornel as an undergraduate, Harvard Law. She grew up in Jackson Hts until her parents moved the family to Throgs Neck in the Bronx where she and her husband reside, part of the same district.

Her brother Chaco, plays trumpet with the Tito Puente Jr. Salsa Band. Chaco's godmother is Gloria Estefan. Tito is married to her sister who teaches Latin dance and music at Julliard. Real NYC latin culture.
 
MrWonka said:
Just because someone accepts money from an industry doesn't necessarily mean they are a puppet of those industries.
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Puppet is a strong word, but industries don't donate out of charity. They donate out of economic self-interest. Either the industry KNOWS the candidate will act in their interest, the candidate actively courts their donations with PROMISES to act in their interest. Or a combination of both. As is the case with Biden, for example.

Yes. Absolutely. I would wager to you that roughly 70% of people who voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary also voted for Obama in 2008.
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Um, what? Why is that even a point you're making? Few people who voted for Obama even knew who Bernie Sanders was in 2008. This is a silly point at best. There were no 'Bernie Bros' in 2008, such that 'Bernie Bros' is even a thing.
 
OldFatGuy said:
A fantasy. It looks like the current leading Democrat contender in her district is Ellianna Ortiz, former ADA, current Chairwoman of the Jackson Heights Hispanic Arts Center, Ass't Director of the Queens County Heart Association, wife of Jose Aleman, running for State Assembly from the Bronx and also a leading contender, both of counsel to the Holy Cross of Christ (leading Catholic church in the Bronx), daughter of Juan and Isabella Ortiz, former Prima Ballerina of Puerto Rico. Juan is one of the leading immigration attorneys in the district. She has been endorsed by every Catholic parish in the district. Her two daughters attend St. Joan of Arc Catholic School on 82nd Street in Jackson Heights, a block away from her law office. She has backing from the Jackson Heights Lawyers Association and key backroom democrat players Rudy Greco and Raphael Marchione. Real family values and role model parents in the district adore. Ellianna attended Cornel as an undergraduate, Harvard Law. She grew up in Jackson Hts until her parents moved the family to Throgs Neck in the Bronx where she and her husband reside, part of the same district.

Her brother Chaco, plays trumpet with the Tito Puente Jr. Salsa Band. Chaco's godmother is Gloria Estefan. Tito is married to her sister who teaches Latin dance and music at Julliard. Real NYC latin culture.
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What is AOC's approval rating in her district?
 
Cardinal said:
What is AOC's approval rating in her district?
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By who's measure?

Approval measures, like survey polls, are dependent on questions asked and who is asked, as well as who does the asking. Who do you trust that understands both the political and cultural nuances with a district composed so diversely, yet predominantly Hispanic? And the Hispanics certainly not homogenized.

Her problems in her home district are all self created. It is a district with many small business owners of ethnic family businesses. Young extended families are predominant, not millennials. Illegal immigrants are not welcome by those who played it straight. Small personal and violent crimes are a great issue. She ignores the everyday issues that concern the constituency. She ignores the elderly. She ignores the drives for more libraries, education improvement, security, local sports, and speaks of protecting prostitutes and pimps, a plague in the communities. Her lack of availability in the face of national headlines which her constituency is disconnected works against her.

She presents an image of elitist upperclass educated with a constituency that is mostly blue collar, minimally educated but not ignorant. Her concerns are not theirs. She has not entered the local social groups, distanced herself from the churches in a highly religious district. Millennials of the left may love her rhetoric, but she neglects than many of her constituency escaped leftist countries in disarray, at times fleeing for their lives. She has no contact with the growing Asian minorities.

One of my former Venezuelan neighbors calls her "little Fidel." That isn't a compliment. There are many who see her as dangerous as Che. These are people who haven't voted in the past, but they will this next election. You tell me how aware the media is of these potential voters. How aware of them are you?

These are not pro-Trump people, or even pro-right, the latter which they detest as much as the left. They are people who want the American dream for their children, whatever that dream means to them. She has not provided the answers to their questions or solutions for their problems.

BTW, if you believe her version of feminism is welcome by the women of this constituency you would be dead wrong. They do not welcome trans gender rights, gay rights, victimless drug crimes, even tho many participate in such "sinful" behavior. The hypocrisy is theirs also, but the don't want to hear about it from those who want their respect. For these women, the family and church come first. They still love Evita. They despise Castro's mistresses.
 
OldFatGuy said:
By who's measure?

Approval measures, like survey polls, are dependent on questions asked and who is asked, as well as who does the asking. Who do you trust that understands both the political and cultural nuances with a district composed so diversely, yet predominantly Hispanic? And the Hispanics certainly not homogenized.

Her problems in her home district are all self created. It is a district with many small business owners of ethnic family businesses. Young extended families are predominant, not millennials. Illegal immigrants are not welcome by those who played it straight. Small personal and violent crimes are a great issue. She ignores the everyday issues that concern the constituency. She ignores the elderly. She ignores the drives for more libraries, education improvement, security, local sports, and speaks of protecting prostitutes and pimps, a plague in the communities. Her lack of availability in the face of national headlines which her constituency is disconnected works against her.

She presents an image of elitist upperclass educated with a constituency that is mostly blue collar, minimally educated but not ignorant. Her concerns are not theirs. She has not entered the local social groups, distanced herself from the churches in a highly religious district. Millennials of the left may love her rhetoric, but she neglects than many of her constituency escaped leftist countries in disarray, at times fleeing for their lives. She has no contact with the growing Asian minorities.

One of my former Venezuelan neighbors calls her "little Fidel." That isn't a compliment. There are many who see her as dangerous as Che. These are people who haven't voted in the past, but they will this next election. You tell me how aware the media is of these potential voters. How aware of them are you?

These are not pro-Trump people, or even pro-right, the latter which they detest as much as the left. They are people who want the American dream for their children, whatever that dream means to them. She has not provided the answers to their questions or solutions for their problems.

BTW, if you believe her version of feminism is welcome by the women of this constituency you would be dead wrong. They do not welcome trans gender rights, gay rights, victimless drug crimes, even tho many participate in such "sinful" behavior. The hypocrisy is theirs also, but the don't want to hear about it from those who want their respect. For these women, the family and church come first. They still love Evita. They despise Castro's mistresses.
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Loudonville,NY.Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has a positive 52-33 percent favorability rating among voters of her district nearly three months into her first term in Congress,and 48 percent of all votersand 61 percent of Democratswould vote to re-elect Ocasio-Cortez in 2020
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https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/CD14release_final2518.pdf

So she's doing a good sight better than Trump, that's for sure.
 
Cardinal said:
https://scri.siena.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/CD14release_final2518.pdf

So she's doing a good sight better than Trump, that's for sure.
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So what? Voting will matter when the time comes, not fractional surveys.

Sienna called a landslide for Hillary, another for Crowley. Sienna predicted Kathleen Quinn as the next mayor of NYC, her own polls showed she didn't have a chance against Anthony Weiner, she withdrew. Anthony morphed into Carlos Danger and we got stuck with Bill DeBlasio, the last man standing.

There isn't a potential candidate who can beat Trump. Think about what that says about the Democrats. Think about what that says about the Republicans. A negative for both. He's playing world wide wrestling and the audience loves the show. He is doing what he promised, kicking the status quo in the derriere. He has become the democrats white whale, and we all know how that story ended.
 
OldFatGuy said:
So what? Voting will matter when the time comes, not fractional surveys.

Sienna called a landslide for Hillary, another for Crowley. Sienna predicted Kathleen Quinn as the next mayor of NYC, her own polls showed she didn't have a chance against Anthony Weiner, she withdrew. Anthony morphed into Carlos Danger and we got stuck with Bill DeBlasio, the last man standing.

There isn't a potential candidate who can beat Trump. Think about what that says about the Democrats. Think about what that says about the Republicans. A negative for both. He's playing world wide wrestling and the audience loves the show. He is doing what he promised, kicking the status quo in the derriere. He has become the democrats white whale, and we all know how that story ended.
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Polls are the metric we have for determining approval, love ‘em or hate ‘em.
 
Cardinal said:
Polls are the metric we have for determining approval, love ‘em or hate ‘em.
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They are your metric, not mine. Obviously, I don't trust them and prefer to get a feel for the communities in question when possible. Still not accurate for predictions, but more encompassing than polls. I trust my magic 8 ball more than polls, but only because it usually answers "maybe." It has predicted winter is coming. Bought myself I nice new down filled winter coat from Schott. I intend stay warm when I walk Dog. Farmer's Almanac is predicting a harsh winter.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Puppet is a strong word, but industries don't donate out of charity. They donate out of economic self-interest. Either the industry KNOWS the candidate will act in their interest, the candidate actively courts their donations with PROMISES to act in their interest. Or a combination of both. As is the case with Biden, for example.
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Industries are run by human beings. They are citizens who themselves care about more than just profits, and contrary to popular belief Industries often recognize their own need for regulation.

Obviously the health insurance industry doesn't want to be completely blown away by government run health care, but by and large they backed the ACA because they recognized something needed to be done. They don't get their rocks off by denying people coverage either they just have no choice if they want to stay competitive.


Dans La Lune said:
Um, what? Why is that even a point you're making? Few people who voted for Obama even knew who Bernie Sanders was in 2008. This is a silly point at best. There were no 'Bernie Bros' in 2008, such that 'Bernie Bros' is even a thing.
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They are the same people regardless, and they think the same way. The point here is that all these Bernie and AOC people who want medicare for all could have and would have had it if they had voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008. Yet they are still irrationally angry at Hillary Clinton.

It doesn't appear to be much about actual policy at all as much as it is a personal and irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton. It needs to stop. She's not running for President any more.
 
OldFatGuy said:
So what? Voting will matter when the time comes, not fractional surveys.

Sienna called a landslide for Hillary, another for Crowley. Sienna predicted Kathleen Quinn as the next mayor of NYC, her own polls showed she didn't have a chance against Anthony Weiner, she withdrew. Anthony morphed into Carlos Danger and we got stuck with Bill DeBlasio, the last man standing.

There isn't a potential candidate who can beat Trump. Think about what that says about the Democrats. Think about what that says about the Republicans. A negative for both. He's playing world wide wrestling and the audience loves the show. He is doing what he promised, kicking the status quo in the derriere. He has become the democrats white whale, and we all know how that story ended.
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Hillary, possibly the worst democratic candidate ever, beat Trump in popular vote. Trump has lost support "biggly" in most of the swing states since then. I suspect that any of the democratic candidates will beat trump. Unless something changes.
 
OldFatGuy said:
They are your metric, not mine. Obviously, I don't trust them and prefer to get a feel for the communities in question when possible. Still not accurate for predictions, but more encompassing than polls. I trust my magic 8 ball more than polls, but only because it usually answers "maybe." It has predicted winter is coming. Bought myself I nice new down filled winter coat from Schott. I intend stay warm when I walk Dog. Farmer's Almanac is predicting a harsh winter.
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Thing is, we tend to surround ourselves with like minded friends, thus "getting a feel..." isn't reliable at all.

Republicans don't trust the polls because they don't like the info that the polls are providing. If the polls were strongly favoring Trump, then republicans would be bragging about how popular the polls "prove" he is.
 
imagep said:
Hillary, possibly the worst democratic candidate ever, beat Trump in popular vote. Trump has lost support "biggly" in most of the swing states since then. I suspect that any of the democratic candidates will beat trump. Unless something changes.
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It's coming down to Bernie vs Liz. Biden will withdraw citing health. Bernie faces demonization as a socialist/commie. WS, Big Tech, bankers, insurers, big pension funds will align to destroy Liz, plus her own foot in mouth disease. Despite the progressive imagery, most American see her as the shrill, overbearing great aunt no one likes.
 
imagep said:
Thing is, we tend to surround ourselves with like minded friends, thus "getting a feel..." isn't reliable at all.

Republicans don't trust the polls because they don't like the info that the polls are providing. If the polls were strongly favoring Trump, then republicans would be bragging about how popular the polls "prove" he is.
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I am not a republican. I was a life long backroom multi generational democrat, who left the party in disgust with the corruption. When it comes to local politics I am more aware than any outsider. I actually listen to what local people have to say. With a few words and some money on the table, I can still make or break any local politician as I desire. I understand AOC is not delivering to the local communities. She is not good for her district or the two counties. I am far from alone with that vision of her. A vision which has no connection to partisan politics.

AOC had no regard for local philanthropic fund raising. Now she is no longer receiving invitations to upcoming fund raising events. It is those events where the future of the county politics is decided.There are a dozen or more young democrats ready and planning on going up against her. Two republicans, both Hispanic.

Once again, the election is not Trump's to win, it is the democrat candidate's election to lose.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I am not a republican. I was a life long backroom multi generational democrat, who left the party in disgust with the corruption. When it comes to local politics I am more aware than any outsider. I actually listen to what local people have to say. With a few words and some money on the table, I can still make or break any local politician as I desire. I understand AOC is not delivering to the local communities. She is not good for her district or the two counties. I am far from alone with that vision of her. A vision which has no connection to partisan politics.

AOC had no regard for local philanthropic fund raising. Now she is no longer receiving invitations to upcoming fund raising events. It is those events where the future of the county politics is decided.There are a dozen or more young democrats ready and planning on going up against her. Two republicans, both Hispanic.

Once again, the election is not Trump's to win, it is the democrat candidate's election to lose.
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Much to agree with in that post.
 
OldFatGuy said:
I am not a republican. I was a life long backroom multi generational democrat, who left the party in disgust with the corruption. When it comes to local politics I am more aware than any outsider. I actually listen to what local people have to say. With a few words and some money on the table, I can still make or break any local politician as I desire. I understand AOC is not delivering to the local communities. She is not good for her district or the two counties. I am far from alone with that vision of her. A vision which has no connection to partisan politics.

AOC had no regard for local philanthropic fund raising. Now she is no longer receiving invitations to upcoming fund raising events. It is those events where the future of the county politics is decided.There are a dozen or more young democrats ready and planning on going up against her. Two republicans, both Hispanic.

Once again, the election is not Trump's to win, it is the democrat candidate's election to lose.
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Yes, you are not a republican. And you certainly aren't knowledgeable about your own voting district.

I told you so.

AOC wins NY Democratic primary against Michelle Caruso-Cabrera, CNN projects - CNNPolitics
 
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