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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The US is the greatest country on Earth with the largest economy. We got there because of who we are and how we got there. I find it completely amazing that you lefties attack Trump for his campaign theme of Make America Great Again because you believe America was already great except for this, that, the other thing, and a million other additional things. There's a reason why the superpowers of yesteryear, Great Britain, France, Spain, Itally, and Portugal are but a speck compared to how the US grew in comparison.
    Actually, the EU as a whole has a bigger economy than the US.

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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    By the way, if you want a Pelosi opponent (who didn't vote for her as speaker), instead of supporting the idiotic, dumb, inappropriate, shoot-the-party-in-the-foot moron known as AOC, support Mikie Sherril. She is a hundred times better, smarter, and with more potential for a substantial career than AOC (who will likely just fade, when people notice how shallow and naive she is). Mikie is a very impressive young politician, as shown by how she beat the odds in New Jersey's 11th district (she flipped it, unlike AOC who just benefited from a safe district). This Navy veteran is a tough and intelligent woman, with degrees from the Navy Academy, the London School of Economics, and Georgetown Law.

    I admire her a lot more than your moronic idol.

    Oh, and look how funny (showing how misinformed you are) - did you know that your idol AOC, unlike Mikie Sherrill, DID vote for Pelosi for speaker? LOL

    GOP lawmakers groan as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez votes for Nancy Pelosi to be speaker
    Please explain to me what you like Mikie Sherrill. What bills has she brought to congress that you approve of, what policy proposals doe she have that you like, and why do you think she's a leader?



    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Pelosi is about 1,000 times smarter, politically savvier, and more experienced than your dumb idol AOC. Don't even try to compare them. Your chick is a microbe compared to Pelosi. She is about as worthy as a flea in Pelosi's dog.
    That which has be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    No, I've already made my argument, but with either your bias, or your reading comprehension issues, you can't grasp it.
    Sure, older white Americans voted for Trump.
    But it was within the reach of the Millennials to stop Trump. They came to vote in force for Obama. A significant chunk of them sat out this election, due to BERNIE BERNIE THE GOD GOT CHEATED ON!! (Which by the way is a very simplistic view; he simply didn't have enough primary votes).

    Like I said MULTIPLE times (but you are too simple to understand), several groups were responsible for Trump's win. I quoted them.

    But among them, the Millennials who sat out were ALSO responsible.

    And like I said MULTIPLE times (but maybe you aren't intelligent enough to grasp), the election was decided by 80,000 votes in 3 states, so, had those DUMB Millennials adopted the lesser evil, Trump wouldn't be president, therefore, they are ALSO responsible for the current state of affairs. I blame the other groups too. I'm not fond of any of them, who contributed to this disaster - but the Millennials definitely did contribute too.

    Thanks for playing. That's all that you Millennials do. You play videogames... you think you are all grown up and smart. Unfortunately for the rest of us, no, you aren't.
    This is an incoherent non-argument. You're literally just arguing that you're right because you're right because you're right. Anyone with even a poor understanding of debate knows why this is unpersuasive nonsense. It's one thing if you're a moderate and you have core ideological differences, it's another thing entirely to assert that your opponent is wrong because they belong to a class of people you think are dumb, and thus you can summarily disregard anything they say or think.

    Like you don't need to look very deep for how fallacious, unpersuasive, and dishonest this line of argumentation is.


    This is my last post to you on this thread, there's clearly no ground to be made here. You simply view your opponents are brain dead idiots and you think ad hominem attacks are valid lines of reasoning. Not much to see here, sadly.
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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    Please explain to me what you like Mikie Sherrill. What bills has she brought to congress that you approve of, what policy proposals doe she have that you like, and why do you think she's a leader?





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    This is an incoherent non-argument. You're literally just arguing that you're right because you're right because you're right. Anyone with even a poor understanding of debate knows why this is unpersuasive nonsense. It's one thing if you're a moderate and you have core ideological differences, it's another thing entirely to assert that your opponent is wrong because they belong to a class of people you think are dumb, and thus you can summarily disregard anything they say or think.

    Like you don't need to look very deep for how fallacious, unpersuasive, and dishonest this line of argumentation is.


    This is my last post to you on this thread, there's clearly no ground to be made here. You simply view your opponents are brain dead idiots and you think ad hominem attacks are valid lines of reasoning. Not much to see here, sadly.
    What I see in Sherrill? For one thing, she doesn't say stupidities like your chick who thinks the people of NY will get to spend now, 3 billion that are non-existing. I mentioned potential. They are both young congresswomen so neither one has a lot of accomplishments to display. But one is intelligent and well-prepared. The other one is dumb and naive. Sorry, but I'll stick with the intelligent and well-prepared one as having more potential.
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    Whatever. The sitting-out Millennials DID contribute to Trump's win. That's a fact, but you don't want to see it, therefore you just dismiss what I'm saying. Fell free to remain in denial. I don't have much appetite to debate with someone who is in denial (and thinks AOC and Bernie are God's Gift to America - like I said, I don't have much respect for this kind of person), so, your unwillingness to engage with me is very much welcome. Good riddance.

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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    Yes, I am aware. The Dems are split up into two different groups, and the moderates hate AOC. It's not at all shocking.
    So, you understand that when Trump won by thumbing his nose at the establishment of both parties, he gets a low approval rating and is disliked by so many and why the media and Obama's deep state are and were out to get him?

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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    So, you understand that when Trump won by thumbing his nose at the establishment of both parties, he gets a low approval rating and is disliked by so many and why the media and Obama's deep state are and were out to get him?
    1. I agree that Trump won by being anti-establishment, but also because he was racist, anti-immigrant, ant-Muslim, and anti-media.

    2. He gets a low approval rating because he's an idiot and his brand of anti-establishment politics is disingenuous and harmful to the country.

    3. Yeah, I mean the media and the elite are repulsed by him. A lot of it is for legitimate reasons, but a lot of it is also just because he doesn't play ball with them the way they like to. Also, although they will never admit it, they're embarrassed that he manipulated them into giving him 2 billion dollars of free air time and that they basically made his presidency happen.

    4. There's no Obama-deep-state. That's a delusional fantasy by right-wing conspiracy theorists. There is a "deep state", in terms of organizations that directly and heavily influence our political system, but that's mostly just the ultra-wealthy, the fortune 500's, and politically entrenched families. In other words, the people most likely to be Republicans and economically conservative capitalists. Those groups have had undue influence over every US president since there have been US presidents.

    5. Trump has made the overwhelming majority of these problems for himself. He talks like a child, he has the intelligence of a 16 year-old, he's had literally everything handed to him in his life --it's pretty hard to respect the guy or feel sorry for him, speaking personally. He's good at surfing a crowd's energy though, and he knows how to tell people what they think they want to hear.
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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    I think for the Green New Deal to ever have a chance they will need a new spokesman. AOC is the worst politician I have ever seen answering questions. It's cringe worthy! She sounds ok as long as it is a prepared statement. I was watching on youtube a guy interviewing people at a NGD rally and 3 of the 4 interviewees had no ability to explain what it was about. One lady, however, actually sounded reasonable and presented it in a way that didn't sound completely retarded. The NGD is complete turd in it's current form. I do think if Dems cut out the radicals and presented some realistic ideas we could start a conversation. AOC has got to go! I wouldn't hire her to clean my house. She should just bartend.

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    Re: Would You Ever Vote AOC For President?

    Quote Originally Posted by FieldTheorist View Post
    1. I agree that Trump won by being anti-establishment, but also because he was racist, anti-immigrant, ant-Muslim, and anti-media.

    2. He gets a low approval rating because he's an idiot and his brand of anti-establishment politics is disingenuous and harmful to the country.

    3. Yeah, I mean the media and the elite are repulsed by him. A lot of it is for legitimate reasons, but a lot of it is also just because he doesn't play ball with them the way they like to. Also, although they will never admit it, they're embarrassed that he manipulated them into giving him 2 billion dollars of free air time and that they basically made his presidency happen.

    4. There's no Obama-deep-state. That's a delusional fantasy by right-wing conspiracy theorists. There is a "deep state", in terms of organizations that directly and heavily influence our political system, but that's mostly just the ultra-wealthy, the fortune 500's, and politically entrenched families. In other words, the people most likely to be Republicans and economically conservative capitalists. Those groups have had undue influence over every US president since there have been US presidents.

    5. Trump has made the overwhelming majority of these problems for himself. He talks like a child, he has the intelligence of a 16 year-old, he's had literally everything handed to him in his life --it's pretty hard to respect the guy or feel sorry for him, speaking personally. He's good at surfing a crowd's energy though, and he knows how to tell people what they think they want to hear.
    1. You don't win the presidency by being a racist. If that were so, and you believe that is why he won, then how do you ever expect to win another election? That's just ridiculous left wing propaganda. Trump and Republicans are anti-illegal immigrant, not anti-legal immigrant. And, he was not anti-Muslim he was anti-radical Muslim. That is also ridiculous left wing propaganda. Trump was fine with many Muslims coming into the country from countries that weren't terrorist threats. The public has had waning trust in the media for decades so yes, when the media show their true colors and Trump calls them out for what the public already knows, yes, that helped him get elected. Maybe the media should quit with the biased news coverage and report the news fairly without a bias to one side and people may start trusting them more.

    2. I guess then that you admit that AOC would get a low approval rating because she is an idiot.

    3. I might have to agree with that. I do find it interesting though that in all of your responses you never once mention Trump and Russian collusion being responsible for Trump winning.

    4. Every administration has a deep state, Obama being the worst up until now. Trump is currently putting his in place so that if a Democrat should win the presidency in 2020, the Trump deep state will be set. Then you guys will be crying about the deep state and all the behind the scenes leaking to the media and causing all sorts of trouble in order to thwart the other party's agenda, including nonstop investigations. It's the way politics is on both sides now. The minority party's job is to be obstructionist and the resistance to bide time until the next election.

    5. Fairly accurate with the caveat that Trump has the country running well in several different areas. Trump's systematic dismantling of liberalism is like pouring salt in the left's wounds after their very embarrassing defeat.

    I think it would behoove the left to understand that changing the Democratic party into the Democratic Socialist Party would actually help Trump get re-elected. That's why McConnell is foaming at the mouth to bring up a vote in the Senate on the Green New Deal. He wants these people to own the fact of how far left these idiots want to move the country. Polls already show that support for Medicare For All is actually decreasing once intelligent Americans know what lunacy it is. As usual the left make a splash with healthcare for all, education for all, and let's save the environment but when voters see that it is nothing more than an empty rallying cry and a soft coup attempt to turn the country into socialism, voters begin rejecting it. Now Elizabeth Warren wants a wealth tax to pay for child care. So, how is she going to decrease the deficit? How is she going to pay for Medicare For All? How is she going to pay for free education? How is she going to pay for infrastructure? How is she going to pay for the Green New Deal? I mean, she used the wealth tax up for child care.
    Last edited by Moderate Right; 02-19-19 at 11:03 AM.

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