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Stupid Law?

Is this a stupid law...

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ecofarm said:
The closest supplier doesn't buy hundreds of animals a month, supporting the mills.
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I'm not aware of any pet store that sells 100's of dogs a month.
 
ecofarm said:
There will be no shortage of $1500 cockapoos. There will be less overproduction, which is clearly represented in state costs to clean up. That cost will decide success.
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Or, now that people are flooding to breeders, maybe they'll just sell them faster, younger, and cheaper?
 
Taylor said:
How does it remove their primary market? The market is very much still there.
If people are willing to pay $1500 or whatever for a cockapoo, do you think they're suddenly going to change their mind and pick up a mutt from the pound because this law was passed? I'm guessing they'll simply do a google search and pick the closest supplier.
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The primary source of pet store dogs is puppy mills.

And if people buy direct from private breeders, which is fine, they'll pay much more than at a pet store.

So if they turn to reputable private breeders great. Btw rescues get loads of purebreds and every breed has its own purebred rescue society.
 
Lursa said:
The primary source of pet store dogs is puppy mills.

And if people buy direct from private breeders, which is fine, they'll pay much more than at a pet store.

So if they turn to reputable private breeders great. Btw rescues get loads of purebreds and every breed has its own purebred rescue society.
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A "puppy mill" is a private breeder, is it not?
 
Taylor said:
Or, now that people are flooding to breeders, maybe they'll just sell them faster, younger, and cheaper?
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You're missing the point. There's an excess in the market creating externalities of 1/4 billion per year. Breeders and private sales will have no problem meeting demand. We're just not gonna do it disposable on an industrial scale.
 
Taylor said:
A "puppy mill" is a private breeder, is it not?
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Yes but there's a distinction. Are you unaware of this distinction?
 
Taylor said:
Or, now that people are flooding to breeders, maybe they'll just sell them faster, younger, and cheaper?
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously. Nobody is going to "flock" to breeders; first, nobody knows where they are because they hide in rural areas, and second, did you look at the photos of actual puppy mills in this thread?? Do you honestly think anyone looking for a family pet would choose to take one that is matted, living in filth? Unless, of course, they are in the dog fighting game, where they'd buy those puppies by the gross to be torn apart while training their fighting animals.

Tens of thousands of pet stores, maybe as many as hundreds of thousands in California alone, import literally hundreds of thousands of these animals from out of state every year. If California law can prevent that from happening, maybe a few dozen other states will follow suit until breeding animals in pain and squalor is no long economically viable. One could only hope.
 
I mentioned this earlier, but it's worthy of its own post.

Maryland recently became the second state to ban retail pet stores from selling puppies and kittens, a move supporters of the legislation say will help discourage “puppy mills” that breed dogs in inhumane conditions and euthanize the animals when they are no longer able to breed. The law follows a similar one passed last year in California, though the Golden State will allow shops to sell cats, dogs and rabbits that came from shelters and rescue centers.

More than 250 municipalities have imposed their own bans or restrictions on pet sales and breeders. This fall, Ohio voters will decide whether to approve a statewide referendum that would require commercial breeders to meet prescribed standards of animal care and treatment, and would prohibit breeders and sellers – wherever they are located – from peddling pets to Ohio consumers unless those humane standards are met. And state lawmakers in New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey are working on their own legislation to ban puppy- and kitten-mill pet sales or encourage municipalities to do so.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...al-states-move-to-ban-sales-of-pets-in-stores


It's not a "California thing".
 
vesper said:
That is a very true statement. They certainly have become the poster child in the test kitchens called the States on what not to do.

I don't know how you could even stand living there.
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I live in a pretty conservative part of California.
 
ecofarm said:
Did a flyover state just make a noise?
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Go ahead and trash a "flyover state" you have been doing it for years.


From the article from CNN it states

"California pet stores soon will be allowed to sell dogs, cats and rabbits only if they come from shelters or non-profit rescue organizations.
Under legislation going into effect on January 1, store operators also will have to be able to provide records of origin for the animals or face a $500 penalty per animal.
The Pet Rescue and Adoption Act was introduced by assembly member Patrick O'Donnell and signed into law by California Governor Jerry Brown in October 2017.
Under the law, individuals are still allowed to buy from private breeders, but stores are prohibited from doing so."


The problem with this is most people seeking a dog want a puppy. Many people can not afford purchasing a pure bred species from a private breeder but just want a puppy. A mut to love! Shelters if they get any puppies go fast. So under this new law if your dog ends up having a litter of pups (muts) are you now considered a breeder and the pet store is not allowed to take the pups to sale at a price many can afford? In my neck of the woods if a dog has a litter of pups, the pet stores will take them once they are weaned. They also keep all the pups together. I had a beagle once upon a time who had a litter of 9. The pet store said they would take 5. A day later they called and asked if I had anymore because they had sold the 5 that first day. I didn't because I had found homes for the other 4.

Nothing wrong with encouraging people to choose rescued animals as their next pet. Nothing wrong with cracking down on puppy mills but this law goes too far.
 
Cardinal said:
How does that make my signature any less funny?
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You want it to come off as if I posted that for pretty much no reason, which isn’t the case.
 
X Factor said:
You want it to come off as if I posted that for pretty much no reason, which isn’t the case.
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JFC, dude, you used to have a sense of humor. What happened to you?
 
Taylor said:
There are millions of stupid ways one can go about trying to save animals' lives. The fact that your intentions are good doesn't make it a good law.
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So, those animals should have no chance at survival - right? So California's overloaded animal shelters do not make good pets for stores to offer - right?
 
DiAnna said:
You have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously. Nobody is going to "flock" to breeders; first, nobody knows where they are because they hide in rural areas, and second, did you look at the photos of actual puppy mills in this thread?? Do you honestly think anyone looking for a family pet would choose to take one that is matted, living in filth? Unless, of course, they are in the dog fighting game, where they'd buy those puppies by the gross to be torn apart while training their fighting animals.

Tens of thousands of pet stores, maybe as many as hundreds of thousands in California alone, import literally hundreds of thousands of these animals from out of state every year. If California law can prevent that from happening, maybe a few dozen other states will follow suit until breeding animals in pain and squalor is no long economically viable. One could only hope.
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Oh good god. Just stop with the caracaturey.
 
jet57 said:
So, those animals should have no chance at survival - right? So California's overloaded animal shelters do not make good pets for stores to offer - right?
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So that means you hate women - right?
 
enderpotato00 said:
I live in a pretty conservative part of California.
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Is there really such a place left? Hard to believe at one time California was a pretty conservative state. Now they are passing legislation over dogs, cats and rabbits but haven't passed any legislation to stop all the massive amounts of drugs pouring into their state causing record high addictions due to cheap heroin coming across the border and the rising problem of homeless which has to do with the policies of making California a sanctuary state. And people pooping on the sidewalks and shooting up. It seems their idea of creating new jobs is hiring more people to clean up the poop and the used needles and trash. Good luck Enderpotato. Everyday I read something about your state that makes me so thankful I don't live there. And the calls from the northern part of the state so desperately wanting to break away and start a new state I completely understand. What a friggin mess.
 
Taylor said:
Oh good god. Just stop with the caracaturey.
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WTF?? I used to show and breed dogs! It costs a fortune to breed a litter, hope for one show quality, then have vet care, shots, keeping puppies inside to socialize, advertising for homes, checking credentials and charging about 1/4 of what the pup cost to raise just to make certain people aren't buying puppies for any reason beyond having a family pet!

Have you ever seen a puppy mill? There are photos right here in this thread. I have these abominations, up close and personal. Trust me, no description could ever accurately describe the squalor, the stench, the whimpers and cries of animals crammed into cages so tightly they can't even lie down except on each other. Your non-caring ignorance is appalling.

Clearly, you really don't know what you're talking about and worse, you don't care that you don't know what you're talking about. Nor do you apparently care about the health and maintenance of animals at all.

Sorry to have bothered you with facts; it won't happen again.
 
ecofarm said:
I will, thank you.
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Well at least you admitted it. But by only taking one snippet from my post to slam me again instead of being man enough to quote my entire post doesn't speak well of you. That's what trolls and people who can't muster a decent response do.
 
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