The Wall

BahamaBob said:

Using that same logic, enforcing drunk driving laws should be ended. After all, only a small portion of all drunk drivers are caught.

Because you seem to lack basic problem solving skills, let me help you. When you have a large problem like we have with illegal aliens, you break it down into problem segments and work on each separately. There is not any one solution that will end this problem. However, if you stop a few hundred thousand here and a few hundred thousand there, after a while you have greatly reduced the problem.

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AGENT J said:

thats actually a GREAT analogy to use. Lets use it based on REALITY to show how monumentally retarded the wall and this presidents plan actually is

your house has a water leakage problem
in your basement theres already 11 million gallons of water
about 6 million gallons are leaking annually

your kitchen sink (illegal southern boarder crossing) has a small leak and leaks about 800k gallons a year
your shower and out door faucet are on almost full blast (other illegal entry) leaks 5.2 millions gallons a year

lets see .. how do we fix the water problem . . oh i know lets shut down the entire household put the majority almost all our focus on the sink . . that will fix it!!! Doesnt matter that some of the 800K will now just switch to the shower and facet .. just to be nice well say 20% 160K

so the sink is fixed and now there are still 11 million gallons of water in the basement and instead of 6 million gallons leaking a year its now 5.26 million . . . BRILLIANT!!!!:lamo:lamo
(and my numbers are just examples based on info not exact numbers)


yes thats how retarded focusing on the wall is and what smart educated objective people understand. it should NEVER be the first step or focused on, its like step 4,5 or 6. Focusing on the wall is like putting a band aid on a skinned knee when you have a bullet hole and knife in you. Theres no logical and factual defense for a wall to be a focus or high ranking on the list of solutions because its factually NOT a "solution"

Adding walls and barriers is just fine by me but making it the focus or thinking its worth a government shut down is bat **** insane because if i could snap my fingers and make a 30 foot wall appear right now cost to cost it fixes NOTHING. We still have the problem. Thanks for using that analogy and showing how dumb this administrations plans are!

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concernedpuma said:

1.)Leaving aside the water analogies that seem to be approaching ocean quantity figures. It is really a matter of cutting our losses and getting back to an enforceable, good for the country and immigrant, immigration policy.
2.) I don't like the government shut down either.
3.) I think you and I just see the way to prevent the shut down differently.
Regards,
CP

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AGENT J said:

1.) which a wall FACTUALLY will not do.
2.) yet this current admin thinks its fine for the wall
3.) correct i want REAL and LOGICAL ways to work on immigration that both sides can support and that can actually work. I would never support a shut down over this plan. But this current admin doesnt really care about avoiding a shut down or fixing the issue.

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concernedpuma said:

1.) Wherefore the facts that a wall won't work?
2.) It worked very well in East Berlin
3.) and does still in North Korea though both for opposite reasons.
4.) To your last two points, it wasn't the choice the President wanted to make and except for the political capital, I don't think the Dem's did either; they were both culpable.
5.) It is a case of Executive power being exercised to get the desired result. The President promised a wall to his voters(I know Mexico hasn't written us a check)
6.) and it is his intention to get one.
Regards,
CP

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AGENT J said:

1.) they have already been supplied countless times in coutless threads and is what my analogy is based on. Do you not know about this subject at all?
THe majority of illegal immigration factually do not come here VIA secret southern passage.
The majority come here land air and sea other ways or through legal ports of entry by.
Like i said many times a wall and barriers factually dont fix anything they are only a step or something way down on the list to do.

2.) Meaningless to america
3.) also meaningless to america
4.) all share SOME blame of course, Trump shares the most. No other logical way to look at it.
5.) weird, is that way he claimed he was using an National Emergency declaration?
I dont remember him saying that? Can you quote him saying he is using an National Emergency declaration because of his promise?
do you think thats a legit reason to do so? (a promise?)
Will we be expecting National Emergency declaration for the other promises he didnt follow through on like zero debt in 8 years?
6.) he will never get one and mexico paying for it was part of his promise.

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concernedpuma said:

1.) I don't know why each time I have discourse with you, you take cheap shots.
2.) I do know about the subject, and I will give you the courtesy of assuming you do. I was conversing with you.
3.) Why would you suggest there are kernels buried in the DP archive that validate your point.
4.) I think you missed my point when you said No. Korea and East Berlin are irrelevant.
5.) The truth is, if the discussion is about the effectiveness of a wall, they are two examples of a wall working.
6.) I don't know how you tie the Government shut down to emergency powers. Those are two distinctly different incidents.
Regards,
CP

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AGENT J said:

1.) what factual shot? id say thats based on YOUR perception and NOT reality.
2.) well it would seem you do not if you think the administrations plan for the wall (making it basically the sole and man focus) will work then comparing our situation to East Berlin and North Korea which is not analogous.
3.) east because i like facts and that answers your questions
4.) yes those walls are meaningless to out situation here. If you disagree prove how those walls magically make our wall (which factually wont work) work?
5.) and that means what? awesome should i be able to point out other countries that have healthcare differently or banned guns etc etc and claim because it works there it will magically work here and thats it? of course not because thats illogical.
Again i ask you how does their working wall make ours work?
6.) easy because the discussion is about the wall shut downs and National Emergency declaration both used fot the wall but your dodging of questions is noted

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concernedpuma said:

You know, I was prepared to answer you, but reading even your most recent reply has led me to believe you make your case by laboring adult conversation. You are wrong on several points, but please take this opportunity to act as though you have chased me off with your splendid logic -we both know that isn't so.
Until you broaden your interest to include constructive real conversation, I have nothing more to add.
Regards,
CP

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