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Who won the midterms?

Who won the midterm elections?

  • I'm a Democrat and think the Dems won.

    Votes: 14 35.0%

  • I'm a Republican and think the Dems won.

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • I'm a Democrat and think the Reps won.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I'm a Republican and think the Reps won.

    Votes: 1 2.5%

  • I belong to no party but think the Dems won.

    Votes: 24 60.0%

  • I belong to no party but think the Reps won.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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MTAtech said:
My point exactly -- Republican denial of reality. (Just as they deny science.)

Rejected Obama, who wasn't running? I guess that's why 41% of voters felt that health care was the #1 issue. What was that health care plan called "whats-his-name-Care?"

Republicans lost women, minorities and suburban areas. They won when they cheated (see below).

Kemp lied about Democrats hacking the Georgia voter registration system to create a last-minute explosive issue to sway the election

Now, you can wallow in denial that the Dems didn't actually give the Republicans a whipping and you can choose to not learn anything.
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A whipping was 2010, where voters rejected Obama to a much higher degree than voters rejected Trump. Now that is a whipping. You are the one who is in denial.
 
Moderate Right said:
A whipping was 2010, where voters rejected Obama to a much higher degree than voters rejected Trump. Now that is a whipping. You are the one who is in denial.
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Mainly because of gerrymandering -- Republican got 6.8% more vote but gained 63 seats. In 2018, Democrats got 7% more votes and won 40 seats. The GOP also targeted seniors telling them that Obamacare included "death panels" that will decide if they should get care or die.
 
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MTAtech said:
Mainly because of gerrymandering -- Republican got 6.8% more vote but gained 63 seats. In 2018, Democrats got 7% more votes and won 40 seats. The GOP also targeted seniors telling them that Obamacare included "death panels" that will decide if they should get care or die.
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Oh geeeeeeeeeeeeez. You can't gerrymander unless you won in the first place! And, if you won in the first place, you can't prove that they wouldn't have won again. If things were so gerrymandered then how on Earth did the blue wave happen? Also, please explain how the presidency, the Senate, and governorships are gerrymandered. Obama took a beating in 2010 and it didn't have a damn thing to do with gerrymandering. It's just an excuse Democrats use for losing.
 
Moderate Right said:
A whipping was 2010, where voters rejected Obama to a much higher degree than voters rejected Trump. Now that is a whipping. You are the one who is in denial.
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Before the midterms we had no seat at the table. We knew the House was the most likely path back to having leverage again, seeing clearly that the Senate was mathematically unattainable. The Senate was always a Hail Mary at best. We got the House back, which means that the GOP's legislative agenda and immunity-through-majority for Trump ended. If you want to take comfort in 2010 that's fine, but we got what we wanted.
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh geeeeeeeeeeeeez. You can't gerrymander unless you won in the first place! And, if you won in the first place, you can't prove that they wouldn't have won again. If things were so gerrymandered then how on Earth did the blue wave happen? Also, please explain how the presidency, the Senate, and governorships are gerrymandered. Obama took a beating in 2010 and it didn't have a damn thing to do with gerrymandering. It's just an excuse Democrats use for losing.
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You are ignoring the obvious when it comes to the House. There was a 63 seat -> GOP swing in 2010. Then the GOP used their positions to gerrymander. Those maps were in place in 2018. The votes swung almost the same, ~7% for the dems, but the pickup was 40 seats. No gerrymandering and it probably would have been 60 seats.

You can be happy that the GOP has been in a position to gerrymander and rig things so that the minority in quite a few states can now dictate for the majority. It's certainly good for those who can cash in now and leave the game, but most of us aren't in that position.
 
Cardinal said:
Before the midterms we had no seat at the table. We knew the House was the most likely path back to having leverage again, seeing clearly that the Senate was mathematically unattainable. The Senate was always a Hail Mary at best. We got the House back, which means that the GOP's legislative agenda and immunity-through-majority for Trump ended. If you want to take comfort in 2010 that's fine, but we got what we wanted.
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If you look, I actually voted the Democrats won. However, my posts still stand.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
You are ignoring the obvious when it comes to the House. There was a 63 seat -> GOP swing in 2010. Then the GOP used their positions to gerrymander. Those maps were in place in 2018. The votes swung almost the same, ~7% for the dems, but the pickup was 40 seats. No gerrymandering and it probably would have been 60 seats.

You can be happy that the GOP has been in a position to gerrymander and rig things so that the minority in quite a few states can now dictate for the majority. It's certainly good for those who can cash in now and leave the game, but most of us aren't in that position.
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gerrymandering is just an excuse, proven by the fact that so called gerrymandering didn't stop the blue wave in 2018. Gerrymandering is extremely overrated, no different than the amount of illegals voting. I'm still waiting for the explanation of how gerrymandering effected votes for president, the Senate, and governorships, where Republicans now own about 2/3 of the states.
 
Moderate Right said:
If you look, I actually voted the Democrats won. However, my posts still stand.
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So what if you voted that the Democrats won? (And the poll is anonymous, so I couldn't have known that anyway).
 
Moderate Right said:
gerrymandering is just an excuse, proven by the fact that so called gerrymandering didn't stop the blue wave in 2018. Gerrymandering is extremely overrated, no different than the amount of illegals voting. I'm still waiting for the explanation of how gerrymandering effected votes for president, the Senate, and governorships, where Republicans now own about 2/3 of the states.
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That's obtuse. Maybe willful, maybe not, it doesn't matter. My post still stands. MA_Tech's does as well.
 
Cardinal said:
So what if you voted that the Democrats won? (And the poll is anonymous, so I couldn't have known that anyway).
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I am an independent moderate (to the right, slightly conservative). I was disgusted at what the far right did to Obama so much so that I actually voted for Obama in 2012. However, since Trump won in 2016 the left has just totally lost their minds with the resistance. And, Trump is president due to the left's arrogance in thinking that they could never lose and their small victory here in 2018 has caused that very same arrogance to come back.
 
Moderate Right said:
I am an independent moderate (to the right, slightly conservative). I was disgusted at what the far right did to Obama so much so that I actually voted for Obama in 2012. However, since Trump won in 2016 the left has just totally lost their minds with the resistance. And, Trump is president due to the left's arrogance in thinking that they could never lose and their small victory here in 2018 has caused that very same arrogance to come back.
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Hilariously dishonest comedy gold!
 
Moderate Right said:
I am an independent moderate (to the right, slightly conservative). I was disgusted at what the far right did to Obama so much so that I actually voted for Obama in 2012. However, since Trump won in 2016 the left has just totally lost their minds with the resistance. And, Trump is president due to the left's arrogance in thinking that they could never lose and their small victory here in 2018 has caused that very same arrogance to come back.
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What a bunch of non sequitur rambling nonsense.
 
Moderate Right said:
I voted the Dems won BUT the Republicans had a tsunami in Obama's first midterm and this was a moderate wave for the Dems in Trump's first midterm. In other words, the Dems did far worse in this midterm compared to the Republican tsunami in 2010. So, one could argue that the Dems lost in comparison. Still, 40 house seats turned here in 2018 compared to Reps picking up two Senate seats is definitely a win for the D's, not to mention state and local race pickups, which also far lagged what Reps did in 2010. So, if I were the Dems, I wouldn't be dancing in the streets. As much as liberals believed that Trump is the biggest most obnoxious idiot on the planet they couldn't even come close to what the Republicans did to Obama in 2010. Trump is president now because of the left's total and complete arrogance and if they return to that form after this midterm, they haven't learned one damn thing.
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Well you forgot, the right are home to America's racists. all of them came out of the woodwork to show their racism during Obama,

Now out of the woods, they voted in simply the most clearly disgusting piece of flesh ever...to occupy the oval office.

The repubs will have as many dems up in 2020, get back if the repubs hold their senate majority after than.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Less than 10% of them lost, which is typical, yet somehow folks expect big changes ahead, which is also typical.
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Well the left could take a cue from the right and have what 100 committee hearings.
 
Moderate Right said:
Many Democrats are deluding themselves that they won. The fact is, midterm voters rejected Obama to a much larger degree than midterm voters rejected Trump. Democrats need to stop and assess that fact. And, the reason that Trump is president today is due to the massive arrogance of the left who thought Trump could never win and the Republican party was dead forever and here they are yet again, believing that very same thing.
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Did they? Democrats won 235/236 of the House seats up in 2018 compared to Republicans winning 242 in 2010. Democrats won 24 out of 35 Senate elections in 2018 while Republicans won 22 out of 35 in 2010. Democrats won the so called House popular vote by 8.6% in 2018, Republicans won by 6.8% in 2010.

All of these are imperfect measures. The Senate map is different. The House popular vote includes uncontested districts, which favored the Republicans in 2010 and Democrats in 2018. The House has been redistricted. However, I think altogether it shows pretty similar situations.

It's hard to see either side as having really done much better than the other in their wave year.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
You are ignoring the obvious when it comes to the House. There was a 63 seat -> GOP swing in 2010. Then the GOP used their positions to gerrymander. Those maps were in place in 2018. The votes swung almost the same, ~7% for the dems, but the pickup was 40 seats. No gerrymandering and it probably would have been 60 seats.

You can be happy that the GOP has been in a position to gerrymander and rig things so that the minority in quite a few states can now dictate for the majority. It's certainly good for those who can cash in now and leave the game, but most of us aren't in that position.
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I don't think that's true. Gerrymandering accounted for some of it, but 20+ seats is a lot. Focusing on gains/losses rather than total seats is a red herring. Democrats in 2018 started in a better position than Republicans in 2010, so of course Republicans are going to gain more seats. Democrats won just 6-7 fewer seats in 2018 than Republicans did in 2010.

Especially after the redrawn PA maps, there just wasn't enough gerrymandering to account for anything close to 20+ seats.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Keeping the Senate majority was a positive outcome for republicants, while taking the House majority was a positive outcome for demorats - I voted that the demorats won overall since having a simple majority in the House is better than having a simple majority in the Senate for 'budget' control power.
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true though to me the most important thing was the senate. Congress not being able to raise taxes with the Senate and the White House in GOP hands is a bigger to me than if the GOP had the house and the Dems the senate and WH because GOP tax cuts would be stopped. Plus, if we have another seat vacant on the SCOTUSA, Trump will be able to sit who he wants-the senate is even better now than when Kavanaugh was seated. Plus Trump has lots of USCOA and USDCs to staff as well and the Dems cannot derail them
 
Moderate Right said:
I voted the Dems won BUT the Republicans had a tsunami in Obama's first midterm and this was a moderate wave for the Dems in Trump's first midterm. In other words, the Dems did far worse in this midterm compared to the Republican tsunami in 2010. So, one could argue that the Dems lost in comparison. Still, 40 house seats turned here in 2018 compared to Reps picking up two Senate seats is definitely a win for the D's, not to mention state and local race pickups, which also far lagged what Reps did in 2010. So, if I were the Dems, I wouldn't be dancing in the streets. As much as liberals believed that Trump is the biggest most obnoxious idiot on the planet they couldn't even come close to what the Republicans did to Obama in 2010. Trump is president now because of the left's total and complete arrogance and if they return to that form after this midterm, they haven't learned one damn thing.
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If you look at the overall votes, the Democrats won by a bigger margin over the Republicans than in any election in the history of the country. The only thing that kept it from even being worse for the Republicans in the House and in state legislators was gerrymandering.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...te-record-house-popular-vote-midterms-n940116

The Republicans have only won the popular vote in a presidential election once in 30 years. They are delusional if they think their strategy of being a white, christian, largely rural party will work in the long term.
 
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Anagram said:
I don't think that's true. Gerrymandering accounted for some of it, but 20+ seats is a lot. Focusing on gains/losses rather than total seats is a red herring. Democrats in 2018 started in a better position than Republicans in 2010, so of course Republicans are going to gain more seats. Democrats won just 6-7 fewer seats in 2018 than Republicans did in 2010.

Especially after the redrawn PA maps, there just wasn't enough gerrymandering to account for anything close to 20+ seats.
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I think that might be true. The places I was focusing when I looked were NC and WS, and then the total vote differential between the demos and repubs by state. That may have presented a slightly distorted picture. Gerrymandering and suppression tactics do work, but they aren't the whole game.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
If you look at the overall votes, the Democrats won by a bigger margin over the Republicans than in any election in the history of the country. The only thing that kept it from even being worse for the Republicans in the House and in state legislators was gerrymandering.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...te-record-house-popular-vote-midterms-n940116

The Republicans have only won the popular vote in a presidential election once in 30 years. They are delusional if they think their strategy of being a white, christian, largely rural party will work in the long term.
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Not only was the margin huge, you have to go back over a century (to before the 19th amendment) to find a midterm in which a larger share of the eligible voting population turned out.

This was an enormous win. The fact that the seat pickup was 'only' very good instead of record-smashing astonishing reflects just how stacked the deck was against the Dems.
 
Moderate Right said:
gerrymandering is just an excuse, proven by the fact that so called gerrymandering didn't stop the blue wave in 2018. Gerrymandering is extremely overrated, no different than the amount of illegals voting. I'm still waiting for the explanation of how gerrymandering effected votes for president, the Senate, and governorships, where Republicans now own about 2/3 of the states.
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Dems win the popular vote in state houses and in national elections almost all of the time yet end up with

1/3 the representation via state reps and not much better national eseats but close.

Not so much for governors or any chief exec. They are strictly universal popular votes.
 
Moderate Right said:
I am an independent moderate (to the right, slightly conservative). I was disgusted at what the far right did to Obama so much so that I actually voted for Obama in 2012. However, since Trump won in 2016 the left has just totally lost their minds with the resistance. And, Trump is president due to the left's arrogance in thinking that they could never lose and their small victory here in 2018 has caused that very same arrogance to come back.
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One has a clear right to disregard trump because for his lying, immorality and criminality which far outstrips anything

I have seen in my life going back to Ike.

If you do not like the dems since trump, I refer you to 8 years of vicious unrelenting vitriol and resistance to Obama by all repubs.

Introspection is a dirty word for the right for if they would look in the mirror...the enemy is there.
 
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