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What is the best approach for dealing with Trump?

What is the best approach for dealing with Trump?


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Republican Senators are increasingly going on record making it clear that crimes are not enough to convince them that Trump is unfit for office, thereby disqualifying themselves, and the broader Conservative public at large, from serious discussion regarding Trump's crimes and his defrauding of the American people. But more practically, it means that conviction through impeachment is not possible.

Nonetheless, what do you feel is the best approach for dealing with Trump?

1. Impeachment. Sure, this won't result in conviction, but I feel Democrats' decision to impeach would make an important statement regarding the rule of law and the sanctity of our elections. Not impeaching would, in my opinion, cede the discussion altogether to Republicans' ambiguous, ever-shifting and disingenuous standards for what would be prosecutable or impeachable offenses.

2. Trump resigns in return for no impeachment and no indictment. This can be a demoralizing option since justice won't be served, but you have to consider your priorities. Is it more important that Trump leave office as soon as possible, thus sparing the country additional trauma? Or is it more important to see him finish out his term and maybe receive justice at the end of it? There is no obvious answer to this since by this point the need to see him gone is about as great as the need to see justice served.

3. Indictment. It is Neal Katyal's legal opinion that the statute of limitations would be "tolled." What this means is that the SoL would be extended so that Trump can be indicted once he's out of office. There is additional discussion leading Renato Mariotti and Katyal to agree that indictment while he's in office would be possible; he just couldn't be tried in court until he leaves office. Assuming indictment while he's still in office was possible and was used, remember that this is likely to be challenged in court for many months before it was resolved. If you choose this option, be sure to remember that a successful indictment is purely theoretical, has never been tested, and even if successful he would not be tried until he leaves office.

You can listen to the discussion between Katyal and Mariotti (December 8) here: https://ontopicpodcast.simplecast.fm/

While deciding on which option best suits you, be sure to remember that it is almost certainly Pence's fate to pardon Trump regardless of anything that happens.

You: "But none of these options are all that great! None of them offer a guaranteed or universally positive outcome!"
Me: "Trump was elected President; a universally positive outcome doesn't exist."

What about the choice of letting him keep on doing the great job he is doing? However, I vote for letting Mueller continue doing his very thorough investigation and let us have the results in 2024. Coming soon: Yet another Trump pick for SC with Ginsburg retiring. The left are such losers and they are flailing around like chickens with their heads cut off because they don't know how to stop the bleeding. Most House bills will be DOA.
 
You forgot the category; re-elect him.
 
What is the best approach for dealing with Trump? Donate to his 2020 campaign!!!!

watch Trump haters' heads explode as did the martians' in "Mars Attacks" if Trump wins.
 
As much as I despise him, I would love to see another 4 years of Trump just to see the liberals melt down and create more threads like this one.

I want to see him replace the two clinton Supreme Court Justices-the screaming and caterwauling from that will be worth years of entertainment
 
That's actually the reason why a large number of Trump supporters support him: to antagonize liberals. So...congrats?

as opposed to lots of lefties who whine about Trump and hope that antagonizes Trump supporters? seems like its a draw
 
True, but having no possible credible reason for supporting Trump, this is all they've got.

see that is the blind silliness of the trump haters. You cannot fathom that anyone could possibly support Trump: that is the sort of blindness that cost Hillary the 2016 election.
 
What is the best approach for dealing with Trump?

Please grow up and stop pretending that President Trump is not our president.
Stop with all the Russian collusion Bull crap. Stop comparing President Trump to:
Nazi's, Hitler , Mussolini. He beat Hillary fair and square. The election is over and he
will be president until 2020. And more than likely will win reelection!

If I didn't think Trump was President I wouldn't be discussing mechanisms for removing him that are unique to him being President. Instead my poll would be one option and it would be "Arrest him right now."
 
I want to see him replace the two clinton Supreme Court Justices-the screaming and caterwauling from that will be worth years of entertainment

Please God, let it happen. It would mean conservatives would run the country for the next 20 years, no matter who gets elected, just like the liberal activist court did under Earl Warren. I would LOVE to see an activist conservative court. No need to respect precedent, just do what you want..... That's how the Warren court rolled.
 
By the way, no, I did not "forget" to include "Trump serves out the remainder of his term." The poll options are intended to be proactive rather than passive solutions.

Then your poll is an utter failure. The proper way to deal with the matter is to try and win the next election. This is how democracy works, a peaceful change in power via elections, not political chicanery like some banana republic.
 
see that is the blind silliness of the trump haters. You cannot fathom that anyone could possibly support Trump: that is the sort of blindness that cost Hillary the 2016 election.

Please do state a rational reason why the GOP should rally behind a (most likely) felon who lies without compunction about any topic that strikes his fancy for another term in the WH.
 
Has a moderator removed your thread-starting privileges?

Nope, and I'm also allowed to point out an utter failure of a poll. I do this for you, pro bono, because I'm so magnanimous.
 
Please do state a rational reason why the GOP should rally behind a (most likely) felon who lies without compunction about any topic that strikes his fancy for another term in the WH.

Policy
 
Please do state a rational reason why the GOP should rally behind a (most likely) felon who lies without compunction about any topic that strikes his fancy for another term in the WH.

well lets reject your silly claims that he is a felon since he is innocent until proven guilty and I haven't seen that happen. but lets see-instead of leftwing justices on the USSC we have two good conservatives. We have tons of district and appellate judges being appointed who are conservative or libertarian in nature-not statist or socialist. We have the lowest rate of black unemployment in decades and strong economic growth. And most importantly, the stench of the Clinton crime family is not emanating from the Oval Office

that people who hate our freedom are upset is just a bonus
 
well lets reject your silly claims that he is a felon since he is innocent until proven guilty and I haven't seen that happen.

No more Clinton Crime Family?
 
well lets reject your silly claims that he is a felon since he is innocent until proven guilty and I haven't seen that happen. but lets see-instead of leftwing justices on the USSC we have two good conservatives. We have tons of district and appellate judges being appointed who are conservative or libertarian in nature-not statist or socialist. We have the lowest rate of black unemployment in decades and strong economic growth. And most importantly, the stench of the Clinton crime family is not emanating from the Oval Office

that people who hate our freedom are upset is just a bonus

You would have gotten your activist judges regardless of which Republican candidate had gotten the nomination, since McConnell stalled hearings for judicial openings for more than a year prior to Trump's election. Ben Carson would have given you your judges. Ted Cruz would have given you your judges. I had imagined a lawyer would have preferred to believe the judiciary free from such partisanship, but who knows anymore what to expect from the right. The economy has been growing for eight years! Imagine that. Who was president when it turned around? And I reject your silly claims that the stench of the Clinton family is stronger than the stench of the Trump crime family. I'm not sure which people hate our freedom? Canadians? Germans?.....oh wait, I see...you mean you like to see the liberals upset. Very childish. Does this mean your would support the renomination of felon Trump in 2020 over any other qualified Republican candidate just to piss off posters at DP?
That's funny.
 
well lets reject your silly claims that he is a felon since he is innocent until proven guilty and I haven't seen that happen. but lets see-instead of leftwing justices on the USSC we have two good conservatives. We have tons of district and appellate judges being appointed who are conservative or libertarian in nature-not statist or socialist. We have the lowest rate of black unemployment in decades and strong economic growth. And most importantly, the stench of the Clinton crime family is not emanating from the Oval Office

that people who hate our freedom are upset is just a bonus

Plus, the haters haven't realized yet that "elections have consequences."
Guess who said that?
:mrgreen:
 
Does anyone else besides me find it odd that Cardinal did not vote on his own poll?

Or are my eyes deceiving me?
 
You would have gotten your activist judges regardless of which Republican candidate had gotten the nomination, since McConnell stalled hearings for judicial openings for more than a year prior to Trump's election. Ben Carson would have given you your judges. Ted Cruz would have given you your judges. I had imagined a lawyer would have preferred to believe the judiciary free from such partisanship, but who knows anymore what to expect from the right. The economy has been growing for eight years! Imagine that. Who was president when it turned around? And I reject your silly claims that the stench of the Clinton family is stronger than the stench of the Trump crime family. I'm not sure which people hate our freedom? Canadians? Germans?.....oh wait, I see...you mean you like to see the liberals upset. Very childish. Does this mean your would support the renomination of felon Trump in 2020 over any other qualified Republican candidate just to piss off posters at DP?
That's funny.

you are right and I knew that-in fact I think if Jeb or Kasich or Cruz had won, we might have the same guys on the USSC. SO I voted for Kasich. But when it was Trump, I only had two choices-only ONE choice for good judges. and history shows that if there is a primary challenge to a sitting president, the president usually loses his second election. SO I won't support a primary opponent for that reason. Most of the things I fault Trump for are based on his personality not his policies or judicial picks. I cannot see voting for any democrat because as you noted (correctly) the party picks the judges for the most part.

the Supreme Court has been screwed up since (at least) FDR got the court to ignore 140 years of precedent. So the best I can hope for are judges who side with my interests. If judges were truly impartial, I truly believe the New Deal never would have survived the courts and federal gun control would not exist. But once the Dems screwed that pooch, "conservative judges" were loathe to overturn even bad precedent.
 
Does anyone else besides me find it odd that Cardinal did not vote on his own poll?

Generally speaking, I think it's kind of douchey to vote in one's own poll.
 
Assuming that the Mueller report is scathing and there are a number of crimes to hang on Trump, including obstruction of justice, impeachment is imperative. Assuming (because we don't know yet, but there is a trajectory here).... that is exactly what impeachment is for, an unfit president.

Even if the Senate won't convict, individuals Senators will end up on the record. With 43% of the Republican senators up for re-election in 2020, it will give the Dems solid political ammunition. I would expect that Cons to lose 10 seats in 2020, including McConnell based on the Republican senators being shown to be wrong in looking the other way at a criminal in the White House.

If the Republicans were smart, they would vote of to convict Trump just to set Pence up to run as an incumbent. Trump has almost no chance of winning again (see results of 2018 election).

Again, its a bit early to speculate on this, including speculating that the Republican senate would cling to a sinking ship (they might). It depends upon how egregious the crimes. I believe (IMHO) the "charges" against Trump will be compelling and thus hard to ignore.

You're really feeling it aren't you? Does your crystal ball always short circuit?

(If the Republicans were smart, they would vote of to convict Trump just to set Pence up to run as an incumbent.
Trump has almost no chance of winning again
(see results of 2018 election).

Odds to win in 2020 by (Online Sportsbook & Online Casino - Price per Head by ABC Islands)

Trump is just about even money to win a second term. So those who make money taking bets disagree with your assessment that
'Trump has almost no chance of winning again'

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75302 KAMALA HARRIS +1000
75303 BERNIE SANDERS +1250
75304 ELIZABETH WARREN +1350
75305 JOE BIDEN +1750
75306 MIKE PENCE +2200
75307 OPRAH WINFREY +2400
75308 MARK CUBAN +4250
75309 KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND +3750
75310 COREY BOOKER +2750
75311 MICHELLE OBAMA +3300
75312 HOWARD SCHULTZ +5000
75313 JULIAN CASTRO +4750
75314 MITT ROMNEY +8500
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75337 OTHER (2020 PRESIDENT) +350
 
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