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A person's legal racial identity should be determined by:

A person's legal racial identity should be determined by:

  • The person themselves

    Votes: 9 47.4%

  • The government via official DNA (or other) test

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • A ballpark, general social consensus (current method)

    Votes: 7 36.8%
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ecofarm said:
American serial killers and cannibals are almost exclusively white.
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Your conflating the two. The typical American serial killer is white, but most serial killers are not cannibals. Of those serial killers who are cannibals, they are not exclusively white: Issei Sagawa and Jose Luis Calva, for example.

And no, cannibals in general are not almost exclusively white. Cannibalism has been reported in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Liberia and Sierra Leone. In the 1980s, for example the existence of cannibalism on a wide scale in Liberia was subsequently verified.

In 2007, the UN reported that sexual atrocities against Congolese women go "far beyond rape" and include sexual slavery, forced incest, fistula mutilation of genitals with sharp objects, and cannibalism.

Reports of cannibalism were reported against the Seleka Muslims during the ongoing Central African Republic conflict, as well as cannibalism during the Sudanese Civil war. Idi Amin was reputed to practice cannibalism. Cannibalism was reported by the journalist Neil Davis during the South East Asian wars of the 1960s and 1970s and Cambodian troops ritually ate portions of the slain enemy, typically the liver. There are competing claims about how widespread cannibalism was in North Korea. While refugees reported that it was widespread,[149] in her 2010 book, Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea, Barbara Demick wrote that it did not seem to be.

Cannibalism has been reported in China and India, as well as North Korea.

The Korowai tribe of south-eastern Papua could be one of the last surviving tribes in the world engaging in cannibalism. A local cannibal cult killed and ate victims as late as 2012.

See Wikipedia article on cannibalism.
 
maxparrish said:
Your conflating the two. The typical American serial killer is white, but most serial killers are not cannibals. Of those serial killers who are cannibals, they are not exclusively white: Issei Sagawa and Jose Luis Calva, for example.

And no, cannibals in general are not almost exclusively white. Cannibalism has been reported in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Liberia and Sierra Leone. In the 1980s, for example the existence of cannibalism on a wide scale in Liberia was subsequently verified.

In 2007, the UN reported that sexual atrocities against Congolese women go "far beyond rape" and include sexual slavery, forced incest, fistula mutilation of genitals with sharp objects, and cannibalism.

Reports of cannibalism were reported against the Seleka Muslims during the ongoing Central African Republic conflict, as well as cannibalism during the Sudanese Civil war. Idi Amin was reputed to practice cannibalism. Cannibalism was reported by the journalist Neil Davis during the South East Asian wars of the 1960s and 1970s and Cambodian troops ritually ate portions of the slain enemy, typically the liver. There are competing claims about how widespread cannibalism was in North Korea. While refugees reported that it was widespread,[149] in her 2010 book, Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea, Barbara Demick wrote that it did not seem to be.

Cannibalism has been reported in China and India, as well as North Korea.

The Korowai tribe of south-eastern Papua could be one of the last surviving tribes in the world engaging in cannibalism. A local cannibal cult killed and ate victims as late as 2012.

See Wikipedia article on cannibalism.
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In America, both serial killers and cannibals are almost exclusively white.

I added a word, it's underlined, and modified the subject verbiage for clarity.
 
Captain Adverse said:
IMO if we really want to get rid of racism, then no one should be identified by race at all.

Each person should be judged by their character, skills for a particular employment, and other tests of individual merit.

You cannot demand respect, you must earn it.

IMO people who keep emphasizing their differences based on immutable physical characteristics in efforts to demand respect and advantages are merely maintaining racial divisions and encouraging conflicts.
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Correct. Even more to the point is that 'race' is an entirely false construct. Post-DNA genetic studies show conclusively that there are no such things as distinct human races. We are all, in evolutionary terms, closely related.

So 'race' is merely a political football, kicked back and forth by the ignorant or the mendacious to make political points. This is particularly so in the US. Europe is a little nearer facing up to reality. For example 'race' has just about vanished in official contexts in the UK and has been replaced with the slightly less meaningless term 'ethnicity'.
 
spud_meister said:
Race is a subjective construct based on a few aspects of physical appearance. It should be up to a person to define their own racial identity (note that's not the same as saying other people have to agree with that).
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Your first sentence is completley correct: 'races'do not exist. Why, then, the second? Why should persons be encouraged, or even allowed, to make false claims about membership of a category that does not in reality exist?
 
ecofarm said:
In America, both serial killers and cannibals are almost exclusively white.

I added a word, it's underlined, and modified the subject verbiage for clarity.
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Then I agree. I also note that I have not heard of more than a few cannibals in America in modern history - with a cannibal sample size that small its meaningless as a reliable generalization.
 
Sweden said:
Your first sentence is completley correct: 'races'do not exist. Why, then, the second? Why should persons be encouraged, or even allowed, to make false claims about membership of a category that does not in reality exist?
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Because even though it's subjective, it's still real. People form opinions and take actions based on race, and it forms the basis for many peoples cultural identities. Because of the subjective and intangible but real nature of race, it's something that needs to be defined with no objective way of doing so.
 
Captain Adverse said:
IMO if we really want to get rid of racism, then no one should be identified by race at all.

Each person should be judged by their character, skills for a particular employment, and other tests of individual merit.

You cannot demand respect, you must earn it.

IMO people who keep emphasizing their differences based on immutable physical characteristics in efforts to demand respect and advantages are merely maintaining racial divisions and encouraging conflicts.
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Except we all know racial and ethnic hate crimes and discrimination exist. So, your idea is burying heads in the sand bull****.
 
It's a small sample size, but I'm a bit surprised at the amount of people that say that one can determine their own race legally. Societal reaction to Rachael Dolezal showed us that race is genetic and immutable. Racial barriers are not to be crossed.

People can find common ground with a love for a sports team, for being in the same line of work, and other multitudes of commonalities.

Society has taught us a very important lesson - differences in race is definitely not common ground. Break the race rules, and get punished.
 
Rickeroo said:
It's a small sample size, but I'm a bit surprised at the amount of people that say that one can determine their own race legally. Societal reaction to Rachael Dolezal showed us that race is genetic and immutable. Racial barriers are not to be crossed.

People can find common ground with a love for a sports team, for being in the same line of work, and other multitudes of commonalities.

Society has taught us a very important lesson - differences in race is definitely not common ground. Break the race rules, and get punished.
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'Racial barriers' are entirely imaginary. If everyone accepted this fact the world would be a better place.
 
Rickeroo said:
Since we have affirmative action and punishment for racial discrimination, there is at least a de facto legal racial identity/definition. Therefore, one's race must be a legal status in order for discrimination laws to function.
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That isn’t true. Discrimination laws aren’t about actions against people who have a particular characteristic, they’re about actions against people because they are believed to have a particular characteristic. If someone discriminates against you because they think you’re (say) Jewish, gay or French, it’d still be illegal even if they’re wrong. It doesn’t matter what race you, the government or the courts say you are, all that matters is what the accused believes and that being the motive for their discriminatory actions.

“Affirmative action” and the like obviously provides a different issue but that’s just another reason why it’s a mistake in the first place. :cool:
 
ecofarm said:
In America, both serial killers and cannibals are almost exclusively white.

I added a word, it's underlined, and modified the subject verbiage for clarity.
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For a person who asserts his education level often enough to note, why do you perpetuate such stereotypes and mythology? :confused:

In America, serial killers and cannibals are NOT "almost exclusively white."

Let's take "cannibals" first:

10 Gruesome Cases Of Cannibalism In Modern-Day America..."Jeffrey Dahmer. If you thought that the list ended with this well-known man-eater, be prepared to confront some more of the most despicable cannibals in contemporary America..."
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10 Gruesome Cases Of Cannibalism In Modern-Day America - Listverse

That list contains a woman of Egyptian descent, four black males, one Hispanic male, and one Chinese male. The other three were White males.

Moreover, historically cannibalism has been practiced in cultures all around the world by members of all ethnic groups.

Now, as for "serial killers?"

What Defines a Serial Killer?
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201705/what-defines-serial-killer

That article points out that there are different definitions, and people tend (as you did) to select the one that best suits their narrative.

Still:

Serial Killer Myth #6: They Are All White. There are serial killers of every race and ethnicity.
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201412/serial-killer-myth-6-they-are-all-white

and...
Here's a surprising look at the average serial killer. Surprisingly, only 12.5% of US serial killers in Aamodt's database fit what most consider the typical profile — a white male in his late mid- to late-20s. While 92.3% of US serial killers (94.4% internationally) are male, only 52.1% are white. Only 27% are in their mid- to late-20s. From 1990 to 2010, the most recent year of data in the project, 52.1% of US serials killers were white, while 40.3% were black. The numbers don't change much internationally either. Worldwide, 56.2% are white, while 30% are black.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/a-surprising-look-at-the-average-serial-killer-2015-5

The data tends to reflect that such "killers" are proportional to the ethnic population reviewed, and for many years "whites" (which included the class of "Hispanics") were the majority population in the USA, while Blacks, Native Americans, and Asians (in that order) reflected a minority population.

Then there is the fact that in recent years there has been a trend to clearly identify "whites" involved in any negative news issue while tending to keep the race of blacks and other racial groups out of initial reports. (The Black woman who beat the Hispanic man with a cement brick comes to mind).

Thus the "MYTH" you've just perpetuated that "almost exclusively White's are serial killers and cannibals" has several shaky foundations, and I find it personally amusing to see this trend among many white progressive-leftists pushing such self-flagellating nonsense.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
For a person who asserts his education level often enough to note, why do you perpetuate such stereotypes and mythology? :confused:

In America, serial killers and cannibals are NOT "almost exclusively white."

Let's take "cannibals" first:

10 Gruesome Cases Of Cannibalism In Modern-Day America - Listverse

That list contains a woman of Egyptian descent, four black males, one Hispanic male, and one Chinese male. The other three were White males.

Moreover, historically cannibalism has been practiced in cultures all around the world by members of all ethnic groups.

Now, as for "serial killers?"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201705/what-defines-serial-killer

That article points out that there are different definitions, and people tend (as you did) to select the one that best suits their narrative.

Still:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/wicked-deeds/201412/serial-killer-myth-6-they-are-all-white

and...
https://www.businessinsider.com/a-surprising-look-at-the-average-serial-killer-2015-5

The data tends to reflect that such "killers" are proportional to the ethnic population reviewed, and for many years "whites" (which included the class of "Hispanics") were the majority population in the USA, while Blacks, Native Americans, and Asians (in that order) reflected a minority population.

Then there is the fact that in recent years there has been a trend to clearly identify "whites" involved in any negative news issue while tending to keep the race of blacks and other racial groups out of initial reports. (The Black woman who beat the Hispanic man with a cement brick comes to mind).

Thus the "MYTH" you've just perpetuated that "almost exclusively White's are serial killers and cannibals" has several shaky foundations, and I find it personally amusing to see this trend among many white progressive-leftists pushing such self-flagellating nonsense.
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:lamo


A file dump defense of whitie. So surprised. I bet you got a file dump for all kinds of whitie defense.
 
ecofarm said:
:lamo


A file dump defense of whitie. So surprised. I bet you got a file dump for all kinds of whitie defense.
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Really?

Back in the past you assumed that I was "white" because I was arguing contrary to your established narrative. Now you know that I am NOT "white," but rather Black American.

ecofarm said:
I'm a white cis hetero male ex paratrooper. Powers that be have always looked the other way for me...
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Yet you are asserting that your "people" are inherently "serial killers and cannibals." Essentially another set of evils added to them being "racist, sexist, etc."

I provided a response citing facts provided by reasonable source citations. Your "retort" is to imply that I am some sort of "race traitor?" :doh

And people wonder why I seldom respond to some of the members who persist in posting ideological taunts in this Forum. :coffeepap:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Really?



Back in the past you assumed that I was "white" because I was arguing contrary to your established narrative. Now you know that I am NOT "white," but rather Black American.

I provided a response citing facts provided by reasonable source citations. Your "retort" is to imply that I am some sort of "race traitor?" :doh

And people wonder why I seldom respond to some of the members who persist in posting ideological taunts in this Forum. :coffeepap:
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Yeah, yeah... "I'm not white, I just spew white supremacist rhetoric all the time and have file dumps to defend whitie".

Sure.
 
Rickeroo said:
Since we have affirmative action and punishment for racial discrimination, there is at least a de facto legal racial identity/definition. Therefore, one's race must be a legal status in order for discrimination laws to function.

Please give your input as to which racial metrics or methods should be used to determine legal racial identity, and who decides what race we are for the purposes of a racial discrimination case.

Your thoughts, please.
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Racism is essentially an urban myth... it does not exist in any real capacity. The government plays on this myth in an effort to divide and conquer the nation.
 
Can't we like, make people wear t-shirts and stuff?

'I'm white NoC_T! *Smiley face*'
 
NoC_T said:
Can't we like, make people wear t-shirts and stuff?

I'm white NoC_T! Smiley face.
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I don't know. I think sweaters would be better.
 
Rickeroo said:
It's a small sample size, but I'm a bit surprised at the amount of people that say that one can determine their own race legally. Societal reaction to Rachael Dolezal showed us that race is genetic and immutable. Racial barriers are not to be crossed.

People can find common ground with a love for a sports team, for being in the same line of work, and other multitudes of commonalities.

Society has taught us a very important lesson - differences in race is definitely not common ground. Break the race rules, and get punished.
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If we started calling black people white then they would stop being picked on by the police... that could be a start.
 
Rickeroo said:
Since we have affirmative action and punishment for racial discrimination, there is at least a de facto legal racial identity/definition. Therefore, one's race must be a legal status in order for discrimination laws to function.

Please give your input as to which racial metrics or methods should be used to determine legal racial identity, and who decides what race we are for the purposes of a racial discrimination case.

Your thoughts, please.
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Not really sure what to think of this but it is a great question. Let's say we have a biracial person who had one black parent and one white parent. Can they claim racial discrimination? Are they white or are they black? Is biracial an actual race that can legally be victims of racial discrimination? Do we check their skin tones and if they reach a certain level of darkness they are called black? Can Collin Kaepernick be discriminated against? These are just the easy questions because, as you point out, it can get a whole lot more complicated than this.
 
Rickeroo said:
Since we have affirmative action and punishment for racial discrimination, there is at least a de facto legal racial identity/definition. Therefore, one's race must be a legal status in order for discrimination laws to function.

Please give your input as to which racial metrics or methods should be used to determine legal racial identity, and who decides what race we are for the purposes of a racial discrimination case.

Your thoughts, please.
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i could easily be wrong but i thought when it comes to legality this was already established . . i thought i read a link here but maybe not and i thought it stated you had to be like 1/16 to legally make a claim.

IDK id have to go look for that info....


IF thats true, for legality that is just fine by me . . . otherwise its totally up to the person . . if a person is 1/20th but feels strongly about their heritage/family etc etc so be it . . not for me to say :shrug:
 
Rickeroo said:
Since we have affirmative action and punishment for racial discrimination, there is at least a de facto legal racial identity/definition. Therefore, one's race must be a legal status in order for discrimination laws to function.

Please give your input as to which racial metrics or methods should be used to determine legal racial identity, and who decides what race we are for the purposes of a racial discrimination case.

Your thoughts, please.
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If a person seeks special favors based on race then that person is a racist narcissist.
 
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