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Is it a bad thing that Tucker feels he cant take his family to dinner?

Is it a bad thing that Tucker feels he cant take his family to dinner?


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I am no bird; and no net ensnares me: I am a free human being with an independent will.
-- Charlotte Brontë, Jane Eyre

I get it. You don't really believe anyone else has a right to eating a peaceful dinner as long as you're exercising your rights within the law. I understand that. I just don't think that simply obeying the law is enough to be considered "polite" or "courteous".

Damn you're a hard case!


You know, it is possible to support certain policies and practices while not supporting certain behaviors. I seem to recall a lot of Democrats saying that about Bill Clinton back in the day. The idea that you have to hate someone just because they support someone else that you dislike is stupid and petty.

Red:
Oh, my...I can't believe a self-avowed conservative "went there."

Is "simply obeying the law sufficient to make one's actions just?

Blue:
  • Practices are behaviors.
  • What matters most is that across all to which one ascribes and supports, there is complete coherence among the principles that guide one's choices to cotton to "this" and not to "that." And therein lies the problem with the jurisprudential strict constructionist (literalism) principle: its rigidity forces one who is principled to accept, the instant normative ethics and/or crisis enter the picture, protocols and outcomes that one (most folks anyway) would rather reject, which upon so doing, one is made immediately a hypocrite, one who doesn't so much as follow his own principles, thus unprincipled.

    The following questions one must answer, say, in times of crisis afflicted decision making highlight the nature of the coherence dilemma strict constructionists face.
    -- What are the criteria for abrogating one's principle(s)?
    -- If one doesn't specify criteria, one's saying that anything goes.
    -- If specifies criteria, those criteria amount to a principle: however, if it contradicts some other principle, one's reasoning is incoherent.

    To wit:

Above I've remarked in an abstract context, so let's look at a few specific example of the incoherence strict constructionism causes:​


  • [*=1]Gun rights: If one's principles say the right to bear arms is unimpeachable, to adhere to that principle, one must also adhere to that principle on a nationally endogenous level, but not do so exogenously?
    [*=1]Abortion: The Constitution doesn't say a damn thing about abortion.
The only way to make a Constitutional pro-life argument is to proffer a loose constructionist line, yet to take the conservative stance on gun rights, one must adopt a strict constructionist line. Contrast that with liberals' lines on both issues -- re: both matters, liberals proffer loose constructionist justifications for their view of what the Constitution allows and disallows.

Some might say their principles are subordinate to the Constitution. Well, that's fine, but if so, one is thus a "slave" to a set of guidelines, principles, someone else promulgated rather than being beholden to one's own coherent set of principles. One can certainly bind oneself by extant jurisprudential principles, tenets and dicta, but taking that course, one is no longer fully free.

I can't speak for others, but I damn sure won't yield my freedom to set my own course. I can live with being subject to whatever law be; however, I will die before I let someone else or some legal principle constrain my will and actions. IIRC, our Founders felt the same; it's what moved them to revolt.



People pay for what they do, and still more for what they have allowed themselves to become. And they pay for it very simply; by the lives they lead.
-- James Baldwin, No Name in the Street
 
I can finally answer the question. I had to think about it a lot before the obvious answer jumped out at me.

Of course it is a bad thing if Tucker feels he can't take his family to dinner.

Whose fault it is if Tucker feels he can't take his family to dinner ... that is a different question. But I can now answer the poll question. You're welcome.
 
I can finally answer the question. I had to think about it a lot before the obvious answer jumped out at me.

Of course it is a bad thing if Tucker feels he can't take his family to dinner.

Whose fault it is if Tucker feels he can't take his family to dinner ... that is a different question. But I can now answer the poll question. You're welcome.

The immature, rude people choosing to disrupt his time with his family, right?
 
Eventually when things escalate and the Right begins acting in kind, will you still hold this position? When you say American values are under attack and views damaging to the country, many on the Right feel that exact same sentiment when they see the Left.

And of you follow the thread you'll see me pointing out where its coming from and pointing at Carlson in particular as an actual actor in its creation and maintenance.

The left has their manipulators too. I caught maddow doing it and stopped watching completely.

But we all want to point to the other side as the source.

Which basic logic means both sides are doing it.

Its a real basic tactic to keep your subjects from being exposed to counter messaging. Keep them from actually talking to people on the other side.

You can call for "civility" all you want.

If you don't address the source, you will not solve the problem.

There is a constant barrage of persuasive messaging anywhere we are exposed to media.

So we will be subjected to constant attempts to manipulate our feelings towards things.

Including each other.

Until we make them stop.
 
The immature, rude people choosing to disrupt his time with his family, right?


As I said, a different question.

If the protestors are committing crimes, then Carlson's discomfort is their fault.

If the protestors are protesting in a legal fashion and it bothers Carlson, then he needs to examine (a) what he did to provoke the protesting and (b) his commitment to American principles which allow certain kinds of protest.


Obviously if they're breaking the law, this is a bad situation and there need to be consequences for them.
 
And of you follow the thread you'll see me pointing out where its coming from and pointing at Carlson in particular as an actual actor in its creation and maintenance.

The left has their manipulators too. I caught maddow doing it and stopped watching completely.

But we all want to point to the other side as the source.

Which basic logic means both sides are doing it.

Its a real basic tactic to keep your subjects from being exposed to counter messaging. Keep them from actually talking to people on the other side.

You can call for "civility" all you want.

If you don't address the source, you will not solve the problem.

There is a constant barrage of persuasive messaging anywhere we are exposed to media.

So we will be subjected to constant attempts to manipulate our feelings towards things.

Including each other.

Until we make them stop.

Equating Rachel with Tucker is a joke. Maybe you should start watching her again. As for Tucker, he was a jerk on Crossfire ages ago. That is all he has to offer, being a complete jerk to give conservatives little woodies watching him hurl insult after insult at the hated lefites o his show. That is how he makes money. There is no intellectual content to any of his shows. He has stooges on them as foils. The man is nothing but a sissy trying very hard to be a macho bully.
 
And when the shoe is on the other foot and people do it to those you support, you'll be equally OK with it? And, of course, none of this has any possible chance of escalating the environment into even worse stuff, right?

I have to say, from this side, it feels like the bully picked on us until we got pissed and stood up and now he wants us to use our words.

I'm not the only one here and irl who feels this way.
 
Picking out one of a thousand examples at random:

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/21/17146866/tucker-carlson-demographics-immigration-fox-news

He is constantly harping about demographic changes and that we should fear immigrants. He used white nationalist talking points and has been praised on many occasions by white nationalists like David Spencer. He's a provocateur and an exaggerator, nota journalist. I support his right to free speech just like I support the public's right to tell him he's an asshole.

You're twisting Tucker's words. He didn't say we need to fear immigrants. He made a valid point: We need to examine whether the United States can absorb immigrants in the numbers we're getting without creating instability. If you doubt that this could be a problem look at the rise of nativist political parties in nations across Europe. And the people in policy-making positions who should be addressing this don't seem to care about it because it isn't affecting them personally, living as they do away from the hoi polloi in wealthy Superzips. There is absolutely nothing racist or bigoted in his comments in the link you posted.
 
The fact that we have 15 who were willing to publicly go the wrong way in the poll after they were warned in my first few posts is disturbing.

When have i ever hidden my position on this kind of stuff?
 
Hated for having an opinion different than yours....

Nope.

Hatred of professional manipulators who are directly responsible for the divide you are complaining about.

C'Mon, I've been tilting at that windmill here since I got here.
 
I hate liberals more every day, some to a very huge degree. I'll just pick on Maxine Waters, for one. As much as I hate her and her liberal policies and think she is stupid and disgusting, I wouldn't for one moment wish on her that she couldn't go out either by herself or with her family. There is a time and a place for politics and every human being has the right to eat at a restaurant without being chased out by a partisan mob simply due to her disgusting politics.

You know that just encourages disgusting politics, right?
 
So, expressing an opinion should declare open season on the person and his family? Speaking out abrogates the person's rights

Has the state gotten involved? I hadn't heard.
 
The hate that seethes inside you for everything liberal.
Does exist. I do think a huge percentage of liberal ideology is wrong. It's common on the right. Hate oozes out of the mental cesspools of liberal minds.
 
I think it's bad thing, people should be able to take their families out in public. Tucker also does bad things. This is more of a reap what you sow type of situation. Tucker really shouldn't be surprised by this turn of events even though most people disagree with the public harassment but we all know there will ALWAYS be some who partake in this type of behavior, just like we know some people like to claim victimhood when it's really not.

It is not about Tucker.....it is about our decline as a society....about how ill we have become.

How stupid we have become.
 
Doesn't exist. I do think a huge percentage of liberal ideology is wrong. It's common on the right. Hate oozes out of the mental cesspools of liberal minds.
fixed for myself
 
Tis absolutely deplorable that deplorable feels unsafe when chowing down in public.
 
Tucker Carlson...they have had as part of their family tradition going out to eat, even on major holidays. He does not feel like they can do it anymore because too often they get attacked (called confronted by those who like to minimize the problem).

He has four kids and a wife he has had since 1991, met her when they were both 15.

Is America wrong for making him feel this way.

Y/N, and yes I am judging you.

Such is the life that leftist / progressive / fascists are promising is the future here in America, where having opinions differing from theirs warrants this treatment and that such treatment of those that differ should be applauded.

Bravo guys. Good job.
 
And of you follow the thread you'll see me pointing out where its coming from and pointing at Carlson in particular as an actual actor in its creation and maintenance.

The left has their manipulators too. I caught maddow doing it and stopped watching completely.

But we all want to point to the other side as the source.

Which basic logic means both sides are doing it.

Its a real basic tactic to keep your subjects from being exposed to counter messaging. Keep them from actually talking to people on the other side.

You can call for "civility" all you want.

If you don't address the source, you will not solve the problem.

There is a constant barrage of persuasive messaging anywhere we are exposed to media.

So we will be subjected to constant attempts to manipulate our feelings towards things.

Including each other.

Until we make them stop.

I pretty much agree with you, my main issue with Tucker is the "Tucker Face" and the fact that he set ups his little debates against people using the worst possible arguments to purposely make them look stupid. The sad part is he can do so much better but his show is purely setup for ratings and infotainment. I really enjoyed the politicon debate between Cenk and Tucker, I wish his show would move more to that style of long form discussion rather than the 5min hit clips he does currently.
 
Such is the life that leftist / progressive / fascists are promising is the future here in America, where having opinions differing from theirs warrants this treatment and that such treatment of those that differ should be applauded.

Bravo guys. Good job.

How close do you figure we are to mobs rousting and abducting from their homes in the middle of the night of those who have to go?

It does not seem all that far away anymore....

The hour is very late.
 
How close do you figure we are to mobs rousting and abducting from their homes in the middle of the night of those who have to go?

It does not seem all that far away anymore....

The hour is very late.

Razor thin line, that's how close. It is scary and sad commentary on our country's lack of tolerance and civility.
Goebbells- accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of doing.
 
Razor thin line, that's how close. It is scary and sad commentary on our country's lack of tolerance and civility.
Goebbells- accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of doing.

"accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of doing."

Seems like this has become the modus operandi of the political left.
 
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