Has diversity benefited the USA?

concernedpuma said:

I am very sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the hole that left. My heartfelt sympathy for that terrible event.

That being said(sincerely) I don't think I need a reading list from you, but thanks for the offer. Have you ever read anything contrary to what you already believe? That is education, worthy of any PhD.
By, the by, I have taken many road trips with my spouse and fully know the life cycle of any conversation.
Regards,
CP

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Thank you for your condolences but it was his professor, not my ex, that was killed. He was missed, of course.

And of course I've read things that differ from what I already know. How do you learn new things if you dont? And it would not be an education if you only read things that conformed to one theory or one belief, etc. To examine a discipline or area of study, you examine ALL of the available publications and research. Then you apply scientific theory and critical thinking.

Lursa said:

Thank you for your condolences but it was his professor, not my ex, that was killed. He was missed, of course.

And of course I've read things that differ from what I already know. How do you learn new things if you dont? And it would not be an education if you only read things that conformed to one theory or one belief, etc. To examine a discipline or area of study, you examine ALL of the available publications and research. Then you apply scientific theory and critical thinking.

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You certainly seem to understand he difference between critical thinking and scientific method, though curiously you seem to co-join them. Would you be so kind as to list the last book or paper you read, contrary to your held opinion on your choice of topic? I much respect your writings, and ask sincerely.
Regards,
CP

Diversity shouldn't be an issue. We shouldn't be forcing it on people nor should we be trying to prevent it.

Masterhawk said:

Diversity shouldn't be an issue. We shouldn't be forcing it on people nor should we be trying to prevent it.

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So very right! Dr.King would be appalled at the idea of favoring any one color, any one place, over the other. He fought honorably his entire life against it. Read his writings!
Regards,
CP

concernedpuma said:

You certainly seem to understand he difference between critical thinking and scientific method, though curiously you seem to co-join them. Would you be so kind as to list the last book or paper you read, contrary to your held opinion on your choice of topic? I much respect your writings, and ask sincerely.
Regards,
CP

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https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-2-...3693204&sr=1-3-spons&keywords=evolution&psc=1

Good read, many new ideas and explanations contrary to previous thinking/explaining gaps.

concernedpuma said:

So very right! Dr.King would be appalled at the idea of favoring any one color, any one place, over the other. He fought honorably his entire life against it. Read his writings!
Regards,
CP

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Well the OP seemed to think that the people he targeted in the OP SHOULD be forcing diversity on people.

A country can only assimilate modest numbers of immigrants at any one time. It helps if those immigrants already have similar backgrounds and values. It also helps if they are skilled workers and financially stable prior to immigrating. A hundred years ago we needed lots of workers for the expanding factory system. It didn't really matter if they were skilled or not, or even if they spoke English. Today we have a huge surplus of home-grown unskilled workers; we don't need to import any. Today we need skilled workers with good communication skills. Import all of these you can find. There are six million good paying skilled trades jobs waiting for them.

Waddy said:

A country can only assimilate modest numbers of immigrants at any one time. It helps if those immigrants already have similar backgrounds and values. It also helps if they are skilled workers and financially stable prior to immigrating. A hundred years ago we needed lots of workers for the expanding factory system. It didn't really matter if they were skilled or not, or even if they spoke English. Today we have a huge surplus of home-grown unskilled workers; we don't need to import any. Today we need skilled workers with good communication skills. Import all of these you can find. There are six million good paying skilled trades jobs waiting for them.

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Two very good points in that. One is that speaking the language helps the immigrant more than it helps English speaking majority of Americans. And the really good point is the one you make about unskilled workers. It is embarrassing when I hear pro-immigrant voices come back with "Who is going to pick up your garbage, work in your fields, and do the dirty jobs Americans won't do?" Where is the respect? We need an immigration policy to help keep us vibrant, not one that uses up people.
Regards,
CP

Waddy said:

A country can only assimilate modest numbers of immigrants at any one time. It helps if those immigrants already have similar backgrounds and values. It also helps if they are skilled workers and financially stable prior to immigrating. A hundred years ago we needed lots of workers for the expanding factory system. It didn't really matter if they were skilled or not, or even if they spoke English. Today we have a huge surplus of home-grown unskilled workers; we don't need to import any. Today we need skilled workers with good communication skills. Import all of these you can find. There are six million good paying skilled trades jobs waiting for them.

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In addition:
Democracy
Immigration
Multiculturalism
You can pick any TWO -- but you can never have all three.

You just won’t have peace in the valley.

Myview said:

What would you define your conservative utopia to be? How would your world be if you could play God at the creation and construct your ideal world and your place in it? If we just simply cut to the chase and define world views mine is a world view based on toleration. Yours seems to be a world view based on intoleration. I get nothing out of a back and forth about diversity in this conversation. America as is most countries on the planet are diverse places and increasingly so for many reasons. Vote however you wish for politicians that stand for the closest thing to utopia your heart desires. I will do the same. I couldn't find the USA network study you refer too but there are studies that aren't obscure such as by the Pew research center that disagree. The fact is that we can both go find studies that support whatever we want to say. Democrats by far think diversity is a good thing. Republicans by far think diversity is a bad thing. The tendency is to think in skin tones. Brown bad, white good; but diversity is many more things than just the color of skin.

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Answer to: 'What would you define your conservative utopia to be? How would your world be if you could play God at the
creation and construct your ideal world and your place in it?'

Eisenhower’s & Kennedy's America was a nation of 160 million with a European Christian core and a culture uniquely its own. The
USA was a country then. What will hold this country together if we don't control both legal & illegal immigration.
It will become a stew of 450 million of every creed culture & color from every country on earth.

It was a period when the USA was at the top of the world. '3/4 of all the cars driven in the world were driven on
USA roads. Pennsylvania still produced 45% of the steel produced in the entire world. America's ethnic mix was
88% European ethnics and 11% black.'

This time I chose not to answer the poll because I can only answer from my own countries situation. Diversity has brought us many good things but also some bad things. And not every bad thing is down to the people who brought diversity. Some groups of a population are jealous or even angry at the people who have brought diversity to the country.

Mostly because they feel left behind. Poorly educated mostly and outside the norm of people, these people usually have real anger at the "newcomers".

I have seen protesters in their yellow jackets with tattoo's on their face and nose and earrings, and then they complain about having issues in finding employment. Now if I were a boss and the choice was between a clean cut well dressed immigrant (second third generation) or someone with visible tattoos in the face and a nice big old nose ring, who do you think I am going to give the job of delivekry driver or shop assistant?

I have seen kids in my youth with a terrible job attitude, drinking all weekend along and never wanting to adapt to the workplace, coming to job interviews with hard rock t-shirts on and jeans for jobs that makes you the image of a company, not a chance of them ever finding employment. Sad but true, but these are the same people who are really angry at people with who do have work, especially people from an immigrant background.

People (especially white kids in my country) have become regular snowflakes when it came to finding work and doing a honest days work for an honest pay. It may not be nice to say that but it is true. When I was poorly trained, before I worked hard at re-schooling myself, I worked in factories, drove forklift trucks, etc. etc. etc. just to make sure I did not have to go on unemployment benefits. People are now often not willing to put in the hard work and sadly newcomers from Poland and Eastern Europe work damned hard for their money.

The issues is also that in the past when work was plenty people in the Netherlands refused to do the poorly paid and dirty jobs, but when the jobs were difficult to find they were angry at the immigrants the government brought in to do the jobs "white" people were unwilling to do.

Rather than being angry at the government, especially young people in my country should ask themselves what can I do to make myself a good prospect on the job market rather than being angry at people who are successful at finding work. There are plenty of good jobs, jobs that usually involve manual labor and some training, but kids today all want to work in offices or not work terribly hard. People who are angry at diversity but don't do anything whatsoever to make their prospects in life better do not deserve my sympathy or have a right to run around in yellow jackets and deserve special things to be done for them IMHO.

I think diversity comes with more pro's than negatives but that is just my opinion.

first of all what race is the usa/ north America???? native Indians????? so a native indian must be asking this question because white people came to this country like everyone else

joko104 said:

A society is based upon cohesion, not diversity.

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The melting pot turned millions of descendants of European immigrants into Americans! Because of that success
the Liberals therefore suggest we can bring in countless millions from every country & culture & still be able to
create a stronger, better happier more united nation than the America of Eisenhower & Kennedy. To them I ask,
where in history has diversity caused anything but chaos & disharmony!!!!

Racially, culturally, & politically America is disintegrating. The last two generations have killed the great
nation it inherited. Slowly but surely the USA will lose the status of a country & be considered nothing
more than a geographical location.

slick said:

The melting pot turned millions of descendants of European immigrants into Americans! Because of that success
the Liberals therefore suggest we can bring in countless millions from every country & culture & still be able to
create a stronger, better happier more united nation than the America of Eisenhower & Kennedy. To them I ask,
where in history has diversity caused anything but chaos & disharmony!!!!

Racially, culturally, & politically America is disintegrating. The last two generations have killed the great
nation it inherited. Slowly but surely the USA will lose the status of a country & be considered nothing
more than a geographical location.

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The best thing about diversity is it has kept a loathsome corrupt cesspool of a political party like the GOP from having permanent control of the government. As we've witnessed the past two years (and for that matter during Bush's 8 years), the modern day GOP are absolute failures at governing, and corrupt to the core.

Puigb said:

The best thing about diversity is it has kept a loathsome corrupt cesspool of a political party like the GOP from having permanent control of the government. As we've witnessed the past two years (and for that matter during Bush's 8 years), the modern day GOP are absolute failures at governing, and corrupt to the core.

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As a couple other posters have suggested, the fact that the proponents of diversity couldn't keep their demands sensible, but had to continually excoriate all white straight people to make themselves feel good, is what has strengthened any and all reactionary elements (though not all elements in the GOP are reactionary).

slick said:

In addition:
Democracy
Immigration
Multiculturalism
You can pick any TWO -- but you can never have all three.

You just won’t have peace in the valley.

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Where would America be without Immigration and Diversity...Which is what everyone is in America..,or decendents of...….Your and all comments on this thread are Puerile,to say the least

theliq said:

Where would America be without Immigration and Diversity...Which is what everyone is in America..,or decendents of...….Your and all comments on this thread are Puerile,to say the least

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America would be right where we were during the Eisenhower & Kennedy administrations.
If we don't control both legal & illegal immigration, it will then become a mere geographical location.
Why should one not be dismayed & disgusted with the changes that occurred during recent times
when for more than 200 years the ethno nationalism of the founders was followed to the letter.
Until 1965 Immigration laws were written with one goal to preserve the European character of the country

The drive of ethnic groups to separate and create nations in which there own unique culture,
language & faith are dominant is among the most powerful drive of mankind.' You're swimming up
stream not to acknowledge the power of ethnonationalism.

If you control the borders and immigration of your country, you control the culture, values, and civilization within your country. If you
don't then you get a multicultural society where each culture is seeks it's own unique piece of the pie --- it's been proven to be unworkable.

plutonium said:

first of all what race is the usa/ north America???? native Indians????? so a native indian must be asking this question because white people came to this country like everyone else

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Native Americans, as some are called, didn't just appear here. They also migrated. So far as I am concerned, anyone born here, is a Native American in the strictest sense.
Regards,
CP

Ouroboros said:

As a couple other posters have suggested, the fact that the proponents of diversity couldn't keep their demands sensible, but had to continually excoriate all white straight people to make themselves feel good, is what has strengthened any and all reactionary elements (though not all elements in the GOP are reactionary).

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white straight people with a victim mentality are clowns, pure and simple. They aren't oppressed in any way shape or form. Trump and GOP just use race to stoke fears in them, so they can stay angry and keep voting Republican, while the wealthy whites laugh at their expense.

Yes, it has benefited because what is the alternative? When has the US ever not had diversity? It is the country's natural state.

Puigb said:

white straight people with a victim mentality are clowns, pure and simple. They aren't oppressed in any way shape or form. Trump and GOP just use race to stoke fears in them, so they can stay angry and keep voting Republican, while the wealthy whites laugh at their expense.

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The statement that straight white people never, ever have a right to complain because they're not oppressed is a familiar method for shutting down debate on particular issues.

The agenda behind it is patently, "any time a Person of Color feels oppressed, he/she must always be right, no matter what the circumstances."

I'm sure there are hatemongers who stoke the resentments of whites, just as there are hatemongers who stoke those of People of Color. But Milo Yiannopolis does not erase the critiques of Ben Shapiro, and Louis Farrakhan does not erase the critiques of MLK.

slick said:

America would be right where we were during the Eisenhower & Kennedy administrations.
If we don't control both legal & illegal immigration, it will then become a mere geographical location.
Why should one not be dismayed & disgusted with the changes that occurred during recent times
when for more than 200 years the ethno nationalism of the founders was followed to the letter.
Until 1965 Immigration laws were written with one goal to preserve the European character of the country

The drive of ethnic groups to separate and create nations in which there own unique culture,
language & faith are dominant is among the most powerful drive of mankind.' You're swimming up
stream not to acknowledge the power of ethnonationalism.

If you control the borders and immigration of your country, you control the culture, values, and civilization within your country. If you
don't then you get a multicultural society where each culture is seeks it's own unique piece of the pie --- it's been proven to be unworkable.

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but NOT in Australia,Muticulturalism works very well indeed...You see Slick what you really mean is that you want is a WHITE CHRISTAN SOCIETY,A RACIST SOCIETY...I WONDER WHAT NATIVE AMERICANS ATTITUDE WOULD BE IF THEY THOUGHT LIKE YOU...…….I WILL TELL YOU,LET's kick out all these white European debased Christians out...You see Slick it is all a matter of perception from where you stand...your comment is Purile and Racist...THAT IS WHAT IS UNFAIR AND UNWORKABLE...COME TO PARADISE AND SEE WHAT LIFE,AN INCLUSIVE LIFE CAN BE LIKE....YOU WOULD BE MUCH HAPPIER,and think NO GUNS and NO WEIRDNESS...in a word FREEDOM OF BODY AND MIND....steve

theliq said:

but NOT in Australia,Muticulturalism works very well indeed...You see Slick what you really mean is that you want is a WHITE CHRISTAN SOCIETY,A RACIST SOCIETY...I WONDER WHAT NATIVE AMERICANS ATTITUDE WOULD BE IF THEY THOUGHT LIKE YOU...…….I WILL TELL YOU,LET's kick out all these white European debased Christians out...You see Slick it is all a matter of perception from where you stand...your comment is Purile and Racist...THAT IS WHAT IS UNFAIR AND UNWORKABLE...COME TO PARADISE AND SEE WHAT LIFE,AN INCLUSIVE LIFE CAN BE LIKE....YOU WOULD BE MUCH HAPPIER,and think NO GUNS and NO WEIRDNESS...in a word FREEDOM OF BODY AND MIND....steve

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Do you see anything that's not fact from my post. I don't see why anyone would ever expect me to back off from the truth.
The US takes in more immigrants takes in any other country the time for a logical stopping place for allowing illegals to
border hope is now.

You emphasize Australia, I doubt their immigration attitudes have changed much but a few years ago Australia secretly
held a group of 46 Vietnamese asylum seekers on a warship at sea for almost a month and rejected their refugee claims during
interviews that took as little as 40 minutes before returning them all to Vietnam last month, officials said.

The Australian navy routinely turns back boats carrying asylum seekers from Africa, the Middle East and South Asia.
However, these boats are usually returned to Indonesia, where most of the sea voyages begin.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net › Latest News Stories › World

joko104 said:

The USA is more ethnically, racially, culturally and religiously diverse than it has ever been in our history. If diversity is a good thing, then the USA should be a better country in its better condition economically and socially with people the happiest they have ever been.

Has diversity benefited the USA?

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I voted Yes and No. On one hand I think people letting go of archaic tribal mentalities and becoming a little more tentatively accepting and tolerant of people who are different is overall a good thing.

But at the same time I think the skeptics that suggest we shouldn't attempt to mandate or legislate diversity, or make it a core part of academic curricula, might have a good point and should not be dismissed as racists.

The reason the Democratic Party wants tens of millions of baby makers from other cultures to come to the USA is because the Democratic Party's #1 goal is to destroy American culture including re-establishing racial and ethnic segregation as the unended goal of the Democratic Party since its beginning. Most other cultures are intolerant of diversity and will support and demand segregation.