Has diversity benefited the USA?

Lursa said:

Not At all. Your OP presumes an 'active' choice to not live in a diverse community. You have not proven that at all. ...

So, again, where is there ANY basis of fact in your claim beyond...they bought houses in low-diversity communities?

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A few remarks about the images found in the OP:

• It's worth noting that while the Obamas' and Clintons' noted homes are their primary residences, AFAIK, Jeff Zucker's home in the Hamptons isn't his primary residence, whereas his flat in the Verona is; however, IIRC, he put it on the market this past summer. Also, The Pelosi house isn't her primary residence, for her Congressional district is CA-12, and that house is in Nappa, some 70 miles from San Francisco.
  
  Re: Zucker's house:
  It may be that he will make his beach cottage his primary residence, but that's not the norm for people in the prime of their professional lives. More common by far is that such wealthy people "have" a house in the Hamptons, the Vineyard/Cape, or other shore locale, and they may even summer (wholly or in part) there, but their "home" is elsewhere.
  
  Re: Pelosi's house:
  Unlike where the Obamas live, one can't even call it a neighborhood, to say nothing of there being or not being diversity there. When one lives in such a setting -- the closest neighbors are half a mile or more away -- the only diversity where one lives is that which is found in one's home, or on one's property if one has tenants or on-site workers.
  
  Re: Obama's house:
  Kalorama is a tiny neighborhood surrounded by diversity -- the gay "ghetto" begins in the immediately adjacent 'hoods to its east and south/southwest, the Afro-Hispanic hub of the city is in the adjacent 'hood to the northeast, and Embassy Row is the adjacent 'hood to the northwest. Too, Kalorama itself has multiple embassies -- Oman, India, Guyana, Turkey, South Korea, Japan and Afghanistan -- as well as the Islamic Center and Russian Cultural Center.

Furthermore, where four wealthy Dems have houses is, as you noted, doesn't indicate whether wealthy Dems generally eschew diverse communities, let alone "hate diversity."

Noteworthy and illustrative of the OP-er's disregard for proportionality is that in 2017, whites comprised nearly 77% of the US population. Kalorama and St. Helena are, per the OP-er's photos, 82% and 77% white, respectively.

truthatallcost said:

Can you address this now?
Americans Say They Like Diverse Communities; Election, Census Trends Suggest Otherwise.

This preference for diverse communities is greater among Democrats, liberals, college graduates, blacks and secular Americans than it is among the population as a whole. But Virtually all major groups, at least to some degree, choose diversity over homogeneity when asked where they would like to live.

Despite these pro-diversity attitudes, however, American Communities appear to have grown more politically and economically homogeneous in recent decades,according to analyses of election returns and U.S. Census data.

All of these survey findings raise an obvious question: Is the public generally strong preference for diverse communities to be taken at face value, or might it be based in part on respondents choosing the answers they deem to be socially desirable?"


Americans Say They Like Diverse Communities; Election, Census Trends Suggest Otherwise|Pew Research Center

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Red:
Seriously? You're citing a decade-old report about US culture...How monolithic do you think our culture is?


Blue:
From the OP:
You created a thread themed on racial diversity, yet the "blue" remark has nothing to do with it.


Pink:
Citing the "pink" text from Pew's 2008 report elides Pew's answer to that question.

Trends in residential segregation have been mixed over the past several decades.

• Black/white segregation has declined significantly since 1960, when fully 70% of blacks [(as compared to ~50% in 2008)], lived in majority black neighborhoods.
• Immigrant segregation as well as Hispanic and Asian segregation has increased in recent decades.

ataraxia said:

The Japanese went from being an isolated, fairly primitive, warrior culture in the 19th century to one of the most technologically advanced, sophisticated, and peaceful countries in the world today. This seems to be pretty good evidence that there is nothing genetic or innate about this stuff.

Does the fact that civilization started in the middle east so many thousands of years before it came to the Germans, and by force at that, provide evidence that Germans are genetically inferior to Middle Easterners?

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A numbrer of factors influence the average intelligence of a nation. Many generations of civilization is one. Living in a cold climate is another. The Japanese, the Chinese, and the Koreans tend to score well on IQ tests everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor.

SmartCat said:

A numbrer of factors influence the average intelligence of a nation. Many generations of civilization is one. Living in a cold climate is another. The Japanese, the Chinese, and the Koreans tend to score well on IQ tests everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor.

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Your IQ BS is nazi propaganda. You should be ashamed.

SmartCat said:

A numbrer of factors influence the average intelligence of a nation. Many generations of civilization is one. Living in a cold climate is another. The Japanese, the Chinese, and the Koreans tend to score well on IQ tests everywhere in the world that they live, even when they are poor.

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Doesn’t explain Japan going from a warring, backwater nation to one of the most peaceful, stable, scientifically and technologically advanced economies in the world today- all in a little over a century. Same with Korea or China. Whatever those factors are, genetics can’t be it.

SmartCat said:

An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another. Two types of association fallacies are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy

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LOL (again)

Your attempts to cover ignorance with big words continues to fail you.

"An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure."

And it reveals the same ingrained, rigid (grasping, desperate) confirmation biases as seen from evolution deniers.

ecofarm said:

Your IQ BS is nazi propaganda. You should be ashamed.

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You should be ashamed of your name calling, your resort to the association fallacy, and your rudeness.

SmartCat said:

You should be ashamed of your name calling, your resort to the association fallacy, and your rudeness.

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Every educated person knows IQ tests do not transcend class or culture. Some of the nazi "studies" you are using administered IQ tests in languages that were "close".

There is decades of literature exposing the racist IQ scam. You're about 30 years too late with this racist crap.

You might be the only person at this website who doesn't know it's been debunked and exposed as racism.

But you go ahead and cry victim. Of course that's your response. "Poor me, the meanies are exposing my racist BS, it's so unfair!" Keep crying.

Lursa said:

LOL (again)

Your attempts to cover ignorance with big words continues to fail you.

"An ounce of pretension is worth a pound of manure."

And it reveals the same ingrained, rigid (grasping, desperate) confirmation biases as seen from evolution deniers.

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The theory of evolution is consistent with hereditarianism and race realism.

Charles Darwin wrote:

"There is, however, no doubt that the various races, when carefully compared and measured, differ much from each other,—as in the texture of the hair, the relative proportions of all parts of the body, the capacity of the lungs, the form and capacity of the skull, and even in the convolutions of the brain. But it would be an endless task to specify the numerous points of structural difference. The races differ also in constitution, in acclimatisation, and in liability to certain diseases. Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual, faculties."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

SmartCat said:

You should be ashamed of your name calling, your resort to the association fallacy, and your rudeness.

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I don't think that he is ashamed...

ecofarm said:

Every educated person knows IQ tests do not transcend class or culture. Some of the nazi "studies" you are using administered IQ tests in languages that were "close".

There is decades of literature exposing the racist IQ scam. You're about 30 years too late with this racist crap.

You might be the only person at this website who doesn't know it's been debunked and exposed as racism.

But you go ahead and cry victim. Of course that's your response. "Poor me, the meanies are exposing my racist BS, it's so unfair!" Keep crying.

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The validity of IQ tests is not doubted by those who do scientific research on them. For one hundred years IQ tests have proven their validity in predicting academic and economic success, as well as other favorable outcomes in life. Many people like to pretend that IQ differences are meaningless. Nevertheless, when employers need to hire people who can perform adequately they test them for mental aptitude.

The U.S. military pioneered the use of IQ tests during World War I. It remains strongly committed to intelligence testing, because it has proven its ability to distinguish between recruits who can learn complex skills quickly and recruits who cannot.

In 1984 George Orwell wrote: "All rulers in all ages have tried to impose a false view of the world upon their followers, but they could not afford to encourage any illusion that tended to impair military efficiency. So long as defeat meant the loss of independence, or some other result generally held to be undesirable, the precautions against defeat had to be serious. Physical facts could not be ignored. In philosophy, or religion, or ethics, or politics, two and two might make five, but when one was designing a gun or an aeroplane they had to make four."

Bill Gates, who has an IQ of 160 has said, "Software is an IQ business. Microsoft must win the IQ war, or we won't have a future. I don't worry about Lotus or IBM, because the smartest guys would rather come to work for Microsoft. Our competitors for IQ are investment banks such as Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley."
https://www.theatlantic.com/busines...th-about-income-inequality-in-america/252892/

Although the children of rich parents tend to have higher IQ's than the children of poor parents, there are noticeable exceptions. Intelligent people tend to make a lot of money. They tend to have children who inherit their intelligence genetically. Nevertheless, they tend to have children who are less intelligent than they are. This is because of a well understood phenomenon called, "reversion to the average." Exceptional characteristics are due to rare and recessive genes which rarely match in the children of brilliant parents.

In The Bell Curve Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray demonstrated that a child's IQ tested at the age of seven is a better predictor of adult earning than the incomes of the parents.

Myview said:

BTW there were other common rebuttals to Trumps Make America Great Again. Crime does go down during cold weather. Would you have rather had Albert Einstein stay in Germany and give them the Atom bomb? That's just one example of how America has benefitted at a high technological level from contributions based on racial ethnic diversity.

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1. The majority of Americans who claim America was never great are minorities, from what I can gather. They don't feel patriotic or proud of their country. And we now deal with racial divisiveness on a level that leaves outside observers dumbstruck- I've heard from many Canadians and Europeans who can't believe the state of division that America has slumped to.

2. Crime stats may lessen in volume in some areas during the cold months, but it doesn't hold true across the board. The reason Maine is our safest state has everything to do with who lives there, not with the temperature.

3. Your example of diversity benefitting American technology is Albert Einstein and the atomic bomb? Einstein was white European, & didn't actually develop the a-bomb. There's never been a shortage of white Europeans in tech, regardless of their religious or ethnic background.

Lord of Planar said:

Diversity has always been great for this nation, until liberals started to race-bait every chance they get.

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Yeah, we attacked migrants as rapists, spread false info on black on white crime, called for banning Muslims, said we were being invaded by Central Americans, and lied about Syrian refugees. We gerrymandered districts with "surgical precision," as the judge said, to dilute the black vote, and instituted voter ID laws to give ourselves a bit of an edge in elections. Oh, and we helped illegals to vote fraudulently by buying them changes of clothes so they could go back and vote again (that scheme recently posed by the president). Can you ever forgive us?

truthatallcost said:

1. The majority of Americans who claim America was never great are minorities, from what I can gather. They don't feel patriotic or proud of their country. And we now deal with racial divisiveness on a level that leaves outside observers dumbstruck- I've heard from many Canadians and Europeans who can't believe the state of division that America has slumped to.

2. Crime stats may lessen in volume in some areas during the cold months, but it doesn't hold true across the board. The reason Maine is our safest state has everything to do with who lives there, not with the temperature.

3. Your example of diversity benefitting American technology is Albert Einstein and the atomic bomb? Einstein was white European, & didn't actually develop the a-bomb. There's never been a shortage of white Europeans in tech, regardless of their religious or ethnic background.

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I agree the majority of Americans who might say America was never great are African Americans. I don't hold that against those who say that if it is their sentiment. Maines total population is just barely over a million souls. Conservatives like to use it as an example. Why don't they all go live there if they feel its such a white utopia that fulfills their dream? I won't belabor your point about Einstein except to say the A bomb was ready sooner because of him. Those white Europeans in tech of various ethnic backgrounds are a important part of diversity in the US. I realize that diversity = brown skin vs white skin to the conservatives on this thread and goes no deeper.

SmartCat said:

The theory of evolution is consistent with hereditarianism and race realism.

Charles Darwin wrote:

"There is, however, no doubt that the various races, when carefully compared and measured, differ much from each other,—as in the texture of the hair, the relative proportions of all parts of the body, the capacity of the lungs, the form and capacity of the skull, and even in the convolutions of the brain. But it would be an endless task to specify the numerous points of structural difference. The races differ also in constitution, in acclimatisation, and in liability to certain diseases. Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual, faculties."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

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We've come along way from Darwin.

Are you accepting ALL his original claims?

joko104 said:

The USA is more ethnically, racially, culturally and religiously diverse than it has ever been in our history. If diversity is a good thing, then the USA should be a better country in its better condition economically and socially with people the happiest they have ever been.

Has diversity benefited the USA?

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it sure has when it comes to olympic and world medals in various sports. we have the most diverse gene pool meaning we have more people with the talent needed to win in various sports.

SmartCat said:

The theory of evolution is consistent with hereditarianism and race realism.

Charles Darwin wrote:

"There is, however, no doubt that the various races, when carefully compared and measured, differ much from each other,—as in the texture of the hair, the relative proportions of all parts of the body, the capacity of the lungs, the form and capacity of the skull, and even in the convolutions of the brain. But it would be an endless task to specify the numerous points of structural difference. The races differ also in constitution, in acclimatisation, and in liability to certain diseases. Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual, faculties."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

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And Einstein dismissed quantum mechanics. Turned out he was wrong. And Isaac Newton spent more time in alchemy than on his mechanics or calculus.

These were all great scientists. But that doesn’t mean they were superhuman beings. Some of the things they thought have subsequently come to be seen as clearly incorrect. We cannot have an ad hominem worshipful acceptance of everything they ever thought or said.

Interesting review article on modern biology’s view of Darwin’s views on racial and sexual differences:

Darwin, race and gender

SmartCat said:

The validity of IQ tests is not doubted by those who do scientific research on them.

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Most IQ researchers will tell you they are not measuring anything fixed or innate, ie, genetic:

”American Psychological Association President Diane Halpern put it quite reasonably when she said:

"We will always need some way of making intelligent decisions about people. We're not all the same; we have different skills and abilities. What's wrong is thinking of intelligence as a fixed, innate ability, instead of something that develops in a context."

...For groups of individuals, IQs are fairly stable between childhood and adulthood, but for specific individuals within a group, IQs can--and do--vary greatly over a lifetime. The IQs will vary as a result of specific interventions (such as preschool enrichment programs), quality education (or the lack of it), injuries that affect brain functioning, and other aspects of the environment that either enhance or diminish one's cognitive ability. In addition, errors of measurement are much larger than people tend to think, and, therefore, an individual's IQs will vary from time to time--sometimes substantially--simply due to the chance fluctuations that accompany any repeated measurement.
Intelligent Testing | Psychology Today

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Lursa said:

We've come along way from Darwin.

Are you accepting ALL his original claims?

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I accept Darwin's claims about intrinsic racial differences. Those who have come a long way from them ignore the central thrust of his findings. Like creationists they believe what they want to believe, rather than what is obviously true.

ataraxia said:

And Einstein dismissed quantum mechanics. Turned out he was wrong. And Isaac Newton spent more time in alchemy than on his mechanics or calculus.

These were all great scientists. But that doesn’t mean they were superhuman beings. Some of the things they thought have subsequently come to be seen as clearly incorrect. We cannot have an ad hominem worshipful acceptance of everything they ever thought or said.

Interesting review article on modern biology’s view of Darwin’s views on racial and sexual differences:

Darwin, race and gender

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Everyone can find confirmation of what they want to believe on the internet. If that article has merit, Explain it in your own words. If you can't do it, you do not understand it.

Non cosmetic racial and eexual differences overlap. Nevertheless, average differences are obvious to anyone who looks. They are durable enough to demonstrate genetic causation.

SmartCat said:

I accept Darwin's claims about intrinsic racial differences.

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Why do you accept them? Is that because you understand the actual science or just because you like them?

Those who have come a long way from them ignore the central thrust of his findings.

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The “central thrust of his findings” are very much accepted and respected today in modern biology. They form one of the central tenets of modern biology. His views on race were not it. I am telling you this as someone with degrees in cellular and molecular biology.

SmartCat said:

Everyone can find confirmation of what they want to believe on the internet. If that article has merit, Explain it in your own words. If you can't do it, you do not understand it.

Non cosmetic racial and eexual differences overlap. Nevertheless, average differences are obvious to anyone who looks. They are durable enough to demonstrate genetic causation.

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My own words: geographic differences in some physical traits and in cultures has not been shown to correlate with any fixed intelligence traits.

SmartCat said:

Non cosmetic racial and eexual differences overlap. Nevertheless, average differences are obvious to anyone who looks. They are durable enough to demonstrate genetic causation.

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The Flynn effect demonstrates the lack of any durable effect.

So does history.

ataraxia said:

My own words: geographic differences in some physical traits and in cultures has not been shown to correlate with any fixed intelligence traits.

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Jews and Chinese demonstrate intelligence and obedience to the law everywhere they live, even when they are poor. That cannot be said of other racial groups.

An American Dilemma: The Negro Problem and Modern Democracy. by Gunnar Myrdal was published in 1944. In this book Dr. Myrdal, who later on won the Nobel Prize in Economics, acknowledged that Negroes tend to perform less well academically than whites, and that they have higher rates of crime and illegitimacy. He maintained that these characteristics were caused by racial discrimination. He also claimed that when Negroes were no longer discriminated against they would perform and behave as well as whites.

Since the civil rights legislation was passed into law, and since the War on Poverty began anti poverty programs designed to help Negroes, black rates of crime and illegitimacy have increased. Black academic performance has not improved. This substantiates arguments presented against the civil rights legislation and the War on Poverty when they were being debated.

ataraxia said:

The Flynn effect demonstrates the lack of any durable effect.

So does history.

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Even with the Flynn effect racial differences in average scores persist.

The Flynn effect demonstrates imperfections with earlier IQ tests. It is difficult to test the ability to learn, rather than what has been learned. Nevertheless, new IQ tests have been developed that require no knowledge of reading, mathematics, or even English. A space alien could take one of those tests.

As far as history is concerned, where is the Negro civilization that begins to compare with civilizations created in the West and the Far East? Where is there in the world today a black run country with a low crime rate, a flourishing economy, and a well functioning government?

The Right Whinge has a lot to learn about societies and civilizations.

As to our own, right here at home, nothing about any of this began with LBJ and his programs.

Racism necessarily establishes a relationship of superior-inferior which is why it's called original sin. The unrepentant place themselves at risk unnecessarily. For instance, the right seems to think and believe their god is a white guy which necessarily makes him the right guy.