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Has diversity benefited the USA?

Has ethnic/racial/cultural/religious diversity benefited the USA?

  • Yes, people are happier and the country is better than ever in history

    Votes: 48 44.0%
  • No, people are angrier with escalating conflicts and problems

    Votes: 20 18.3%
  • Yes and No. It depends which demographic you are

    Votes: 20 18.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 19.3%

  • Total voters
    109
The USA is more ethnically, racially, culturally and religiously diverse than it has ever been in our history. If diversity is a good thing, then the USA should be a better country in its better condition economically and socially with people the happiest they have ever been.

Has diversity benefited the USA?

A closely related question: "Did diversity benefit the only real Americans - now patronisingly called 'Native Americans' by the occupiers, who brought unimaginable amounts of 'diversity' with them.
 
That's just untrue. Silicon valley began almost 100 years ago, wasn't diverse until fairly recently, and still receives criticism for not hiring enough this or that. Nowadays it's primarily criticism that women, blacks and Latinos are not being hired for tech jobs, which of course doesn't address the qualifications of those groups.



That's just bad info your working with. Warm weather isn't the driving factor in crime. You don't seriously believe that residents of Maine and Vermont world suddenly become prone to violent crime if the weather warmed up a bit. And how would your idea about cold weather prohibiting violent crime hold up in light of Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit? Those cities are covered in frigid temps, snow, and heavy winds for a significant portion of the year.



'When was it ever great?' was a common rebuttal to Donald Trump's campaign slogan, 'Make America Great Again', by liberals and progressives. These people certainly don't appear to proudly identify as Americans to me.
Lets just condense differences to the lowest common denominator. My world view is one of toleration. Yours seems to be one of intoleration. Diversity on this thread seems to be about race. Brown skin bad, white skin good. Diversity is about much more than just skin color but since everyone wants to make it about race lets just do that. Democrats by far think diversity is a good thing. Conservatives by far think its a bad thing. How would you solve the problem if you could? What would be your conservative utopia? A pew research study shows that most Americans think diversity is a good thing. The pew research center is non partisan. The study is recent and even says that about half of Republicans think diversity is a good thing which contradicts what I just said. It further breaks down along educational lines with those having increasing levels of education thinking at increasingly positive levels.
 
Lets just condense differences to the lowest common denominator. My world view is one of toleration. Yours seems to be one of intoleration. Diversity on this thread seems to be about race. Brown skin bad, white skin good. Diversity is about much more than just skin color but since everyone wants to make it about race lets just do that. Democrats by far think diversity is a good thing. Conservatives by far think its a bad thing. How would you solve the problem if you could? What would be your conservative utopia? A pew research study shows that most Americans think diversity is a good thing. The pew research center is non partisan. The study is recent and even says that about half of Republicans think diversity is a good thing which contradicts what I just said. It further breaks down along educational lines with those having increasing levels of education thinking at increasingly positive levels.

BTW there are other common rebuttals to Trumps Make America Great Again. Crime does go down during cold weather. Since you think of diversity in purely racial terms ill give you the racial disparity in California since 1970. I don't think of diversity in purely racial terms.
 
I think diversity has helped, although we've probably fought and struggled with each other much more as a result of it. The result is a culture rich in arts and entertainment and world dominance in most categories. Would we be winning the Olympics every year if we were all British? We might have had Gordon Ramsey and Bear Grylls, but would we have dominated in the arms race, esp. the fist A-bombs?
 
That's just untrue. Silicon valley began almost 100 years ago, wasn't diverse until fairly recently, and still receives criticism for not hiring enough this or that. Nowadays it's primarily criticism that women, blacks and Latinos are not being hired for tech jobs, which of course doesn't address the qualifications of those groups.



That's just bad info your working with. Warm weather isn't the driving factor in crime. You don't seriously believe that residents of Maine and Vermont world suddenly become prone to violent crime if the weather warmed up a bit. And how would your idea about cold weather prohibiting violent crime hold up in light of Chicago, Baltimore and Detroit? Those cities are covered in frigid temps, snow, and heavy winds for a significant portion of the year.



'When was it ever great?' was a common rebuttal to Donald Trump's campaign slogan, 'Make America Great Again', by liberals and progressives. These people certainly don't appear to proudly identify as Americans to me.

BTW there were other common rebuttals to Trumps Make America Great Again. Crime does go down during cold weather. Would you have rather had Albert Einstein stay in Germany and give them the Atom bomb? That's just one example of how America has benefitted at a high technological level from contributions based on racial ethnic diversity.
 
I think diversity has helped, although we've probably fought and struggled with each other much more as a result of it. The result is a culture rich in arts and entertainment and world dominance in most categories. Would we be winning the Olympics every year if we were all British? We might have had Gordon Ramsey and Bear Grylls, but would we have dominated in the arms race, esp. the fist A-bombs?

Actually, many people think “the British” were this monolithic single race and culture. They were not. They, in turn, are a mongrel race of all sorts of other warring and contentious tribes, races, cultures and influences, from the Celts to the Angles, Saxons, Romans, Vikings, Normans, etc...

Racial purity is a myth.
 
Actually, many people think “the British” were this monolithic single race and culture. They were not. They, in turn, are a mongrel race of all sorts of other warring and contentious tribes, races, cultures and influences, from the Celts to the Angles, Saxons, Romans, Vikings, Normans, etc...

Racial purity is a myth.

I'm thinking cultural diversity as well. As a matter of fact, I don't think most people have problems with other races, I think they have problems with other cultures.
 
IQ tests. haha

Rarely do I see such stupid and pathetically ignorant racism.

For one hundred years IQ tests have seperated the stupid from the intelligent. They have proven their ability to accurately predict academic and economic sucess, as well as other favoable outcomes in life. Those who are unaware of that are ignorant.
 
im a white dishwasher my black and latino co workers seems to be smarter then me and not all that criminal you just seem like a racist and an ass to those of us who cant do much

The different races differ by average intelligence and criminal behavior. Those who deny that are beyond the range of rational debate.

I am used to being called a racist. Name calling is the refuge of those who know they have lost the argument.
 
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The different races differ by average intelligence and criminal behavior. Those who deny that are beyond the range of rational debate.

I am used to being called a racist. Name calling is the refuge of those who know they have lost the argument.

As most epidemiologists will tell you, correlation does not imply causation. Those differences go away when controlled for socioeconomic differences. There has been a correlation between various races and socioeconomic status. The Flynn effect shows
These effects appear to be environmental, not genetic/innate.
 
I have an idea. How about you cite this IQ BS so we can see what nazi ****hole you're plagiarizing.

RACE, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE BRAIN: THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS OF THE REVISED
EDITION OF S. J. GOULD'S THE MISMEASURE OF MAN

By J. Philippe Rushton
Department of Psychology
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario N6A 5C2

Gould withholds from his readers that The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of social stratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486 youths (3,022 of whom were African American) which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacks as well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those with low IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115, respectively, pp. 273-278). Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictive and are biased in favor of North Europeans.
Article...
 
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All this talk about 'selection.' Let's see the sources for this gigantic pile o' crap. And then assign it specifically to specific races.

And with a degree in biology...and constant exposure (academic debate and research) to evolutionary biology from my ex who had a masters degree in it....that load demonstrates no better grasp of evolution than the tripe that the evolution-deniers provide. It's called "starting with the result and then searching selectively for 'facts' that support that result."

My argument is presented in the following books:

The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution, by Henry Harpending and Gregory Cochran,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042FZRPC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, by Nicholas Wade.
https://www.amazon.com/Troublesome-..._rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=4JDE3MNC0RC4G4XZMH1Y

and A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World, by Gregory Clark.
https://www.amazon.com/Farewell-Alms-Economic-History-Princeton/dp/0691141282

You criticize "evolution deniers." Charles Darwin asserted that what matters in evolution are innate, rather than acquired, characteristics. If you really do have a degree in biology you should know that more is being discovered about the role genes play in determining intelligence and influencing criminal behavior.
 
Human civilization started in the Middle East and worked its way for the first time to Europe in Greece. It took another thousand years or so for the Romans to bring that civilization to “the cold climates” of Northern Europe by force. These were, at the time, just a bunch of small, violent, illiterate savage barbarian tribes. There are fascinating accounts of these Barbarian Germanic tribes by early Roman visitors to that area. Not very flattering. The Romans are where they got their culture, their writing script, their religion, a system of currency, and their introduction to philosophy, science, mathematics, and technology. One of the last places on Earth to be civilized.

History does not support the idea that there was anything innately intelligent there. They learned civilization and culture indirectly from the Middle East.

The German tribesmen Julius Caesar and Tacitus wrote about two thousand years ago were at about the same level of development as the Bantu two hundred years ago. The political unit was the tribe. Weapons were made from iron. The economy was based on primitive agriculture and hunting. There were no cities, and no systems of writing and mathematics.

Civilization was imposed on the Germans by the Holy Roman Empire, which was established in 800 AD. Two thousand years ago the Germans probably tended to be more intelligent than the Bantu, because of the colder climate in Germany. Since then the Germans have become one of the most intelligent nation on earth, although they are less intelligent on the average than Ashkenazi Jews.
 
As most epidemiologists will tell you, correlation does not imply causation. Those differences go away when controlled for socioeconomic differences. There has been a correlation between various races and socioeconomic status. The Flynn effect shows
These effects appear to be environmental, not genetic/innate.

The Flynn Effect demonstrates that in the past IQ tests, while valuable, were less accurate than they are now. It is difficult to test the ability to learn, rather than what has been learned.

Blacks born to parents with graduate degrees generally scrore the same on the SAT as whites born to parents who never advanced beyond high school. Blacks born to upper middle class parents generally score the same on the SAT as whites born to working class parents. This is due to a well known biological phenominon called "reversion to the average." Exceptinal qualities are based on rare and recessive genes that rarely match in the children. White children of brilliant parents revert to a higher average than do black children of brilliant parents.
 
The ignorant are those who still think IQ is a fixed trait reflecting purely genetic influences.

Why People Keep Misunderstanding the 'Connection' Between Race and IQ - The Atlantic

Because many people do not want to believe that there are strong correlations between genes, intelligence, crime, and race, anyone who is articulate and who argues against the correlations receives a respectful hearing. Those who argue on the basis of genetic evidence that the correlations exist are often punished, as was James Watson who helped to discover the chemical basis of DNA.
 
For one hundred years IQ tests have seperated the stupid from the intelligent. They have proven their ability to accurately predict academic and economic sucess, as well as other favoable outcomes in life. Those who are unaware of that are ignorant.

When computers first became a household necessity say around 1990 I read an article from the NY Times & made a note of it concerning
IQ's of various ethics. If I was an Ashkenazi Jew I would have been strutting around after digesting it, but I am not. From NY area
almost half of the women I dated in my prime were Jewish & after reading that article I'm sure glad I didn't marry one of them.
I have no dog in this fight as a white male but I imagaine generally speaking their is substance to this arrticle.
The thrust of this piece in my opinion are:

IQ distribution by race/ethnicity:

• Ashkenazi Jews = 115
• East Asians = 106
• Whites = 100
• South East Asians = 87
• Non-White Hispanics = 86
• American Blacks = 85 (average 25% White admixture)
• Middle East and North Africans = 84
• Sub-Saharan Blacks = 67 (Only 2% of Whites score this low)
• Australian Aborigines = 62

Genetic distance is a measure of the genetic divergence between species or between populations within
a species. Populations with few similar genes have large genetic distances which indicates that they are
not closely related and have distant ancestors.

Incidentally, though the average IQ of East Asians is 6 points higher than the average non-Jewish White, the percentage
distribution of East Asians with IQs above 140 is slightly lower. The reason for this is that the range of cognitive variation
among Whites is greater than among East Asians. Specifically, Asians' IQs are more clustered around the mean; therefore,
Whites produce more geniuses, but also more morons.
 
My argument is presented in the following books:

The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution, by Henry Harpending and Gregory Cochran,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042FZRPC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, by Nicholas Wade.
https://www.amazon.com/Troublesome-..._rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=4JDE3MNC0RC4G4XZMH1Y

and A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World, by Gregory Clark.
https://www.amazon.com/Farewell-Alms-Economic-History-Princeton/dp/0691141282

You criticize "evolution deniers." Charles Darwin asserted that what matters in evolution are innate, rather than acquired, characteristics. If you really do have a degree in biology you should know that more is being discovered about the role genes play in determining intelligence and influencing criminal behavior.

LOL Nobody denies new findings in evolution nor genetics' effect on those things...it's how and where they are shared and expressed among a population that makes a difference. Nowhere is it claimed that any one race has a higher accumulation or expression.

I will have to validate your sources before I can comment on them.
 
RACE, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE BRAIN: THE ERRORS AND OMISSIONS OF THE REVISED
EDITION OF S. J. GOULD'S THE MISMEASURE OF MAN

By J. Philippe Rushton
Department of Psychology
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario N6A 5C2

Gould withholds from his readers that The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of social stratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486 youths (3,022 of whom were African American) which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacks as well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those with low IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African Americans was found to be lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115, respectively, pp. 273-278). Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictive and are biased in favor of North Europeans.
Article...

Here's a quick summary of the 'paragon' you sourced:

Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research,[1] with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda.[2] From 2002 until his death, he served as the head of the Pioneer Fund, a research foundation that has been accused of being racist, with its founders being American sympathizers for the Nazi eugenicist program.[3]

n 1989, geneticist and media personality David Suzuki criticized Rushton's racial theories in a live televised debate at the University of Western Ontario.[52] He said, "There will always be Rushtons in science, and we must always be prepared to root them out!" At the same occasion, when Rushton was asked if he believed in racial superiority, he said, "Oh, no!" He said, "from an evolutionary point of view, superiority can only mean adaptive value—if it even means this. And we've got to realize that each of these populations is perfectly, beautifully adapted to their own ancestral environments."[53]

Also in 1989, Michael Lynn published a paper in the Journal of Research in Personality criticizing a study by Rushton & Bogaert that had been published in the same journal two years earlier. Lynn cited four reasons he considered Rushton & Bogaert's study to be flawed:

First, they did not explain why natural selection would have favored different reproductive strategies for different races. Second, their data on race differences are of questionable validity because their literature review was selective and their original analyses were based on self-reports. Third, they provided no evidence that these race differences had significant effects on reproduction or that sexual restraint is a K characteristic. Finally, they did not adequately rule out environmental explanations for their data.[54]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton
 
Actually, many people think “the British” were this monolithic single race and culture. They were not. They, in turn, are a mongrel race of all sorts of other warring and contentious tribes, races, cultures and influences, from the Celts to the Angles, Saxons, Romans, Vikings, Normans, etc...

Racial purity is a myth.

When our conservative friends think of diversity they thinking of skin color and voting blocs. Any appeal to them of a deeper understanding of diversity doesn't fit their narrative.
 
For one hundred years IQ tests have seperated the stupid from the intelligent. They have proven their ability to accurately predict academic and economic sucess, as well as other favoable outcomes in life. Those who are unaware of that are ignorant.

I see you cited your lies. Haha. So glad someone else took care of exposing your nazi BS.


"The Bell Curve" is BS targeting sales to men with small dicks. And it made a ton of money. :lol: "Hey, mushroom caps, you're super smart!" They bought it up. But no... sorry, little dicks, your IQ runs the same range as everyone else. Better luck next scam.
 
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The German tribesmen Julius Caesar and Tacitus wrote about two thousand years ago were at about the same level of development as the Bantu two hundred years ago. The political unit was the tribe. Weapons were made from iron. The economy was based on primitive agriculture and hunting. There were no cities, and no systems of writing and mathematics.

Civilization was imposed on the Germans by the Holy Roman Empire, which was established in 800 AD. Two thousand years ago the Germans probably tended to be more intelligent than the Bantu, because of the colder climate in Germany. Since then the Germans have become one of the most intelligent nation on earth, although they are less intelligent on the average than Ashkenazi Jews.

The Japanese went from being an isolated, fairly primitive, warrior culture in the 19th century to one of the most technologically advanced, sophisticated, and peaceful countries in the world today. This seems to be pretty good evidence that there is nothing genetic or innate about this stuff.

Does the fact that civilization started in the middle east so many thousands of years before it came to the Germans, and by force at that, provide evidence that Germans are genetically inferior to Middle Easterners?
 
When computers first became a household necessity say around 1990 I read an article from the NY Times & made a note of it concerning
IQ's of various ethics. If I was an Ashkenazi Jew I would have been strutting around after digesting it, but I am not. From NY area
almost half of the women I dated in my prime were Jewish & after reading that article I'm sure glad I didn't marry one of them.
I have no dog in this fight as a white male but I imagaine generally speaking their is substance to this arrticle.
The thrust of this piece in my opinion are:

IQ distribution by race/ethnicity:

• Ashkenazi Jews = 115
• East Asians = 106
• Whites = 100
• South East Asians = 87
• Non-White Hispanics = 86
• American Blacks = 85 (average 25% White admixture)
• Middle East and North Africans = 84
• Sub-Saharan Blacks = 67 (Only 2% of Whites score this low)
• Australian Aborigines = 62

Genetic distance is a measure of the genetic divergence between species or between populations within
a species. Populations with few similar genes have large genetic distances which indicates that they are
not closely related and have distant ancestors.

Incidentally, though the average IQ of East Asians is 6 points higher than the average non-Jewish White, the percentage
distribution of East Asians with IQs above 140 is slightly lower. The reason for this is that the range of cognitive variation
among Whites is greater than among East Asians. Specifically, Asians' IQs are more clustered around the mean; therefore,
Whites produce more geniuses, but also more morons.

What you say about Orientals may be true. Nevertheless, I have read that the science and mathematics departments of the best universities are dominated by Orientals. Moreover, in high tech firms in Silicon Valley Orientals outnumber whites.
 
Here's a quick summary of the 'paragon' you sourced:

Rushton's controversial work was heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research,[1] with many alleging that it was conducted under a racist agenda.[2] From 2002 until his death, he served as the head of the Pioneer Fund, a research foundation that has been accused of being racist, with its founders being American sympathizers for the Nazi eugenicist program.[3]

n 1989, geneticist and media personality David Suzuki criticized Rushton's racial theories in a live televised debate at the University of Western Ontario.[52] He said, "There will always be Rushtons in science, and we must always be prepared to root them out!" At the same occasion, when Rushton was asked if he believed in racial superiority, he said, "Oh, no!" He said, "from an evolutionary point of view, superiority can only mean adaptive value—if it even means this. And we've got to realize that each of these populations is perfectly, beautifully adapted to their own ancestral environments."[53]

Also in 1989, Michael Lynn published a paper in the Journal of Research in Personality criticizing a study by Rushton & Bogaert that had been published in the same journal two years earlier. Lynn cited four reasons he considered Rushton & Bogaert's study to be flawed:

First, they did not explain why natural selection would have favored different reproductive strategies for different races. Second, their data on race differences are of questionable validity because their literature review was selective and their original analyses were based on self-reports. Third, they provided no evidence that these race differences had significant effects on reproduction or that sexual restraint is a K characteristic. Finally, they did not adequately rule out environmental explanations for their data.[54]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton

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Philippe Rushton's assertions regarding differences in average intelligence, and criminal and sexual behavior between the races were well documented.

Race, Evolution, and Behavior:

Rushton's debate with David Suzuki can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9FGHtfnYWY

Rushton came across as a polished gentleman scholar. Suzuki came across as a beligerant thug. He did not even bother to wear a suit.

Different parenting practices can be explained by the fact that in cold climates children require more care, but caring for them does make a difference in their survival. Nevertheless, the more children one has, the more difficult it is to care for each one. In sub Saharan Africa food was traditionally easy to find, but there was a high death rate from African diseases. It was difficult to defend against the diseases. They struck everyone equally. A person who had many children could expect some of them to live.

I do not believe that the Pioneer Fund ever endorsed the Nazi movement. Drawing a connection between the Pioneer Fund and the Nazi movement is a result of the guilt by association falacy.

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An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another. Two types of association fallacies are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
 
I see you cited your lies. Haha. So glad someone else took care of exposing your nazi BS.


"The Bell Curve" is BS targeting sales to men with small dicks. And it made a ton of money. :lol: "Hey, mushroom caps, you're super smart!" They bought it up. But no... sorry, little dicks, your IQ runs the same range as everyone else. Better luck next scam.

Since The Bell Curve was published in 1994 more scientific evidence of its validity has come forward. IQ genes are gradually being discovered, despite taboos and sanctions against looking for them. The expensive failures of Head Start and No Child Left Behind provide more evidence of assertions made in The Bell Curve. Your arrogant vulgarity is more evidence of the validity of The Bell Curve. That kind of rhetoric is unacceptable in a scientific dispute that must be discussed calmly.

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If we're all going to be disagreeing more, we should be careful to do it well. What does it mean to disagree well? Most readers can tell the difference between mere name-calling and a carefully reasoned refutation, but I think it would help to put names on the intermediate stages. So here's an attempt at a disagreement hierarchy:

DH0. Name-calling.

This is the lowest form of disagreement, and probably also the most common. We've all seen comments like this:
u r a fag!!!!!!!!!!
But it's important to realize that more articulate name-calling has just as little weight. A comment like
The author is a self-important dilettante.
is really nothing more than a pretentious version of "u r a fag."
How to Disagree
 
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