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  • 95% or more. There's a shred of doubt, but they almost certainly lied.

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  • 80% they probably lied, but I'd allow it in court.

    1 4.17%
  • 80%, but that's not good enough to serve even as evidence in court.

    4 16.67%
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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Know what works better? 7 up and seagrams 7, aka, 7 and 7s. After about...4-5 of those, the truth starts to come out.
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    Re: Lie Detectors

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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    I realize that lie detectors are not admissible in court, and they certainly have their faults and criticisms, but most experts do seem to think they are fairly reliable in most cases when the operator is a professional who really knows what they're doing. Certainly, if the only evidence you had against someone that they committed a crime was that they failed a lie detector test when they were asked if they'd committed the crime I would have to say that's not enough to justify a guilty verdict and it shouldn't be allowed in court, but what about a scenario like this...

    Two different people who both witnessed an event are both required to take a polygraph with a certified professional operator. The session can be filmed and recorded in case there are any anomalies that look weird they can be challenged. One person(person A)passes the test. The other person(person B) tells a contradicting story to the first person and fails the test. The person who failed is then allowed to take a second polygraph, on a different day, on a different machine, with a different certified professional operator and once again fails the test. What level of confidence would you have that Person B was lying?
    In that particular case I would guess that the odds are greater than 50/50 but I'm not going to say 80%. There are just far too many variables and that's why they should never be admissible. Take Ms Ford in the recent Kavanaugh case. Her lawyers submitted a polygraph but the polygraph could have been rigged to giver her an advantage. If you start out with wanting a prejudiced outcome and use your own people to give you that prejudiced outcome, then you will get a .................................................. ...... (drumroll please) prejudiced outcome.

    Now if you have a completely unbiased and fair test or tests and they come out one way then I would say that the results would be somewhere between 50/50 and 80/20. But, certain people can and do pass tests that don't give the correct result. Take Ford again, she may have believed that Kavanaugh did what she said he did but there have been two men who came forward and said that they had had consensual sex with Ford in circumstances very similar to what she reported with Kavanaugh. The girl was drunk and she was 15 years old and it was 35 years ago. There are any number of reasons why someone can lie and pass a lie detector test or they may wholeheartedly believe in their own testimony, which might actually be incorrect.

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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Polygraphs are notoriously unreliable. It's a useful interrogation technique, particularly for the gullible. Otherwise they're worthless.
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    Polygraph tests are a interrogation tactic.... nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    "Justice" Kavenaugh disagrees with you.
    It's Justice Kavanaugh, without the quotes. He IS a Justice of the US Supreme Court whether you like it, accept it, or not.

    And considering his accusers track record so far of recanting and admitting that they lied I wouldn't keep up with supporting the farce that went on by the Dems.
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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's Justice Kavanaugh, without the quotes. He IS a Justice of the US Supreme Court whether you like it, accept it, or not.

    And considering his accusers track record so far of recanting and admitting that they lied I wouldn't keep up with supporting the farce that went on by the Dems.
    None of that negates Dr Ford's account. And "Justice" Kavenaugh is a strong proponent of lie detectors. Did you know that?
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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    I realize that lie detectors are not admissible in court, and they certainly have their faults and criticisms, but most experts do seem to think they are fairly reliable in most cases when the operator is a professional who really knows what they're doing. Certainly, if the only evidence you had against someone that they committed a crime was that they failed a lie detector test when they were asked if they'd committed the crime I would have to say that's not enough to justify a guilty verdict and it shouldn't be allowed in court, but what about a scenario like this...

    Two different people who both witnessed an event are both required to take a polygraph with a certified professional operator. The session can be filmed and recorded in case there are any anomalies that look weird they can be challenged. One person(person A)passes the test. The other person(person B) tells a contradicting story to the first person and fails the test. The person who failed is then allowed to take a second polygraph, on a different day, on a different machine, with a different certified professional operator and once again fails the test. What level of confidence would you have that Person B was lying?
    Lye detectors dont detect lies, they detect physiological changes. People who stutter for example give completely unreliable results, as do most who have learned English as a second language.

    I can see them as useful to butress claims of innocence, but not giilt.
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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    I realize that lie detectors are not admissible in court, and they certainly have their faults and criticisms, but most experts do seem to think they are fairly reliable in most cases when the operator is a professional who really knows what they're doing. Certainly, if the only evidence you had against someone that they committed a crime was that they failed a lie detector test when they were asked if they'd committed the crime I would have to say that's not enough to justify a guilty verdict and it shouldn't be allowed in court, but what about a scenario like this...

    Two different people who both witnessed an event are both required to take a polygraph with a certified professional operator. The session can be filmed and recorded in case there are any anomalies that look weird they can be challenged. One person(person A)passes the test. The other person(person B) tells a contradicting story to the first person and fails the test. The person who failed is then allowed to take a second polygraph, on a different day, on a different machine, with a different certified professional operator and once again fails the test. What level of confidence would you have that Person B was lying?
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    More than 50%, but absent knowing the questions asked and the circumstance(s) about which B was asked, I can't hazard how much more.
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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Can you imagine if they were truly reliable.

    Would totally change our judicial system. No more hung juries. Most likely a sharp increase in confessions.


    Heck, they could even bring a lie detector to a political debate. Get out the popcorn.
    I read a sci-fi book in the late 90s with that exact premise. A 100% accurate truth machine was invented and eventually was miniaturized and mass produced so people wore them like watches and their watch would tell them if they were being lied to. It changed the entire culture. It was called “Truth Machine” by James Halperin. After 20 years I don’t remember much more about it but I do remember enjoying it.

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    Re: Lie Detectors

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    None of that negates Dr Ford's account. And "Justice" Kavenaugh is a strong proponent of lie detectors. Did you know that?
    Nothing corroborates Dr. Fords account. Tell me, when are we ever going to see her polygraph results? You know, the ones that she has refused to give over...assuming she actually took one.

    And considering Kavanaugh's background how much would you want to bet that he's taken such tests before?

    And yes, I know his opinion on them. In fact, he said nothing that I didn't say. They're a valuable tool for investigations, but unreliable to use in a court of law.
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