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So, who won the midterms? IYHO

Who "won" Nov 6th 2018 Midterms?

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I'll give the edge to the D's for taking the house. But they seem more disappointed and the R's seem more relieved this morning, so moral victory to the R's for whatever that's worth.

No one seems entirely happy about the results, which says to me that we probably got the best outcome we could have hoped for.

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Spartacus FPV said:
Hard to say, every President loses seats during midterms. Trump lost the least in almost a century.

The Dems won more in the House than the Reps did in the Senate, but House seats have shorter terms.

Seems like the ones Trump campaigned for won, the ones he didn't (or didn't vote to confirm Kavanaugh) lost. Which means those running in 2020 will be decidedly more Trumpian if they want to win. Says a lot about the Trump bump.

Most interesting is that if the electoral college is tied in 2020, it'll be Nancy Pelosi (or whomever the Dems put in as speaker) will decide the next election.

I see a couple years of gridlock and campaigning in our future. I love gridlock, but I cannot stand the 2020 talk that has already begun.
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Greetings, Spartacus FPV. :2wave:

Well said, including the 2020 talk already starting, :sigh: and I completely agree with your post! :thumbs:
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Hard to say, every President loses seats during midterms. Trump lost the least in almost a century.
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By what metric? Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate during Bush’s first midterm for starters.
 
A solid Democratic Party win. Had Trump not busted his ass campaigning Democrats would have taken the Senate too. Worse, the entire "Blue Wall" Rustbelt states voting Democratic and the obvious "browning effect" of Texas, Florida and Arizona will turn those states blue. While Republicans MIGHT be able to hold the presidency (unlikely), Democrats taking both Houses of Congress appears imminent.

That's not what I want to happen. But only bad loser fools deny reality for what it is. Republicans have big problems - and it isn't Trump. It's that Democrats are winning with their perpetual social divide-and-conquer of us versus them tactic as a mathematical demographic war, given it is only white people who will hate themselves and will not vote as an racial voting block.

It looks like the nation is going to go like all big cities have - filling up with non-whites who vote Democrat as a block as a war against white people, while white people vote as if race is irrelevant.

Stupid white people. Stupid people of color.
 
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Dragonfly said:
Based on your own personal perceptions, who won yesterday's midterms?

D's

R's

Nobody won, we all lose regardless
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I said both R's and D's won. You now have a government where nothing get done except by cooperating. That should benefit "The People", no matter what lean they have.
 
I give it a win for the US. We got some of those checks and balances back.
 
Dragonfly said:
Based on your own personal perceptions, who won yesterday's midterms?

D's

R's

Nobody won, we all lose regardless
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In my home town, dems won for sure.
overall in the state id say thats true too since the governor stayed blue and won easily or maybe it was just a push I guess if you consider the house/senate.... i havent looked but id guess they stayed red . . i dont think there was a lot of talk about it switching though. There was a lot of talk saying governor seat was going to switch that didnt even come close to happening..

ass for nationally america won, when theres "potential" checks and balances its better
 
Looks like Felons in Florida won their right to vote once they serve their time.

Dems won, but it wasn't a decisive victory. Winning the House is the crack in the door, real test will be what follows. Does it get slammed shut on their foot or do they go on through.

Beto lost, sad, but a super close race in Texas, and while it's not a win, it was great progress...can it be leveraged to build on later is the question.
 
OlNate said:
I said both R's and D's won. You now have a government where nothing get done except by cooperating. That should benefit "The People", no matter what lean they have.
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There will be no cooperation. Democrats of the House will try to destroy Trump every way possible - including destroying the economy as much as possible - while doing everything possible for erasing our borders and kissing the asses of the international super rich for their political money.

The future is chaos and the entire Federal government is going to become a clown car of spitting and ranting fighting clowns. Our political system due to the primary system prohibits "compromise." People who compromise with the other side risk losing their primary election. There will be no compromises.

I've always believed one party or the other should have near total control so things get done. Then flip back and forth between the controlling party every 8 years. The federal courts would protect the Constitution and Bill Of Rights along the way.
 
What is the compromise on securing the border? A barrier only 15 feet tall? That it alternates between there being a wall and not being a wall ever 100 yards? There a ticket dispensers along the border and each one takes one ticket - and those with even numbered tickets get in?

There will be no compromising. It is only about power and the only influencing factor for an agreement will be if all the politicians make money for themselves off it.
 
joko104 said:
A solid Democratic Party win. Had Trump not busted his ass campaigning Democrats would have taken the Senate too. Worse, the entire "Blue Wall" Rustbelt states voting Democratic and the obvious "browning effect" of Texas, Florida and Arizona will turn those states blue. While Republicans MIGHT be able to hold the presidency (unlikely), Democrats taking both Houses of Congress appears imminent.

That's not what I want to happen. But only bad loser fools deny reality for what it is. Republicans have big problems - and it isn't Trump. It's that Democrats are winning with their perpetual social divide-and-conquer of us versus them tactic as a mathematical demographic war, given it is only white people who will hate themselves and will not vote as an racial voting block.

It looks like the nation is going to go like all big cities have - filling up with non-whites who vote Democrat as a block as a war against white people, while white people vote as if race is irrelevant.

Stupid white people. Stupid people of color.
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Your first sentence was a great observation. You can add the 5 weeks of 24/7 propaganda that the GOP TV and radio syndicated whores put in to Trump's effort.

The rest of your post I don't agree with. Well, I don't want the country to become the hellhole you think the dems want, but I don't think most dems want that either.
 
Mach said:
Looks like Felons in Florida won their right to vote once they serve their time.

Dems won, but it wasn't a decisive victory. Winning the House is the crack in the door, real test will be what follows. Does it get slammed shut on their foot or do they go on through.

Beto lost, sad, but a super close race in Texas, and while it's not a win, it was great progress...can it be leveraged to build on later is the question.
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I was amazed how close Beto/Cruz was. Also how close the Senate and Gov races in FL were.
 
It's good from the view that now the Dem congress can deadlock the government, so it's either bipartisan bills or nothing (guess which.)

It's bad from the view that a lack of an emphatic rejection of Trump (even though he wasn't running) legitimizes him.

Another bad angle on this is that now that the GOP isn't fully running the federal government, Trump has an empowered opponent to point the finger at.

A radio commentator suggested that this election just locked in Trump for reelection in 2020. I wouldn't go quite that far, but it certainly improved his chances, especially if the Dems can't produce an appealing candidate (name one, I can't.)

It's a ways off yet, but the 2020 election is starting to look like the GOP's to lose.
 
Praxas said:
Trump's policies and actions were indeed on the ballot and the people decided they didn't want a Republican monopoly on the government. The ACA is safe until 2021 at the very least.
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But the insured aren't because ACA is a disaster and failure.
 
Dragonfly said:
Based on your own personal perceptions, who won yesterday's midterms?

D's

R's

Nobody won, we all lose regardless
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It really was a mixed bag.

The dems picked up governor seats but the gop won key ones for 2020.

Dems won control of the house by a modest margin. Some of the dems that won did so by positioning themselves as willing to work with Trump on issues.

Dems made some gains in the central north so they started repairing that blue wall.

The gop picked up enough senate seats to get trumps nominees through without problems.

Dems get to play politics and investigate everything under the sun

Trump gets to play politics by blaming a Democrat controlled house for anything that does not get done.

Me personally I am a trump supporter and want to see him advance more of his agenda but I prefer when the houses are split as a general rule of thumb. Too much power for either party typically turns out bad.

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No real winners, the populace is the ultimate losers. Nothing will be accomplished by either side while the circus plays out.

Pelosi and Waters have a long list of subpoenas they intend to launch, Trump says he will launch investigations into Democrats.

Congratulations to all the haters who, through their myopic goal, have effectively brought the government to a standstill for the next two years, we are now entering government by revenge.

The only group I see feeling as winners is another group of haters, those who hate America and want to see it brought down. But for them it is a short and hollow victory, America has withstood this before and will do so again. It will be a rollercoaster ride for two years so sit back, buckle up and try to enjoy the ride.
 
Looking for a wave somewhere but it was quite mild.


Now clean out the hundred million dollars of out of state funded oroarke trash off our yards.

I guess in the end he gave some sanitation workers some long term jobs. Its going to take awhile to clean up.

They probably would have just appreciated the cash....*flush*
 
I didn't know that the previous (and wasted) Republican monopoly was a Trump policy. It seems to me that it was the voters' policy, a repudiation of Obama and his nonsensical administration. We've gotten over that now, so this outcome is much better than was expected.
Praxas said:
Trump's policies and actions were indeed on the ballot and the people decided they didn't want a Republican monopoly on the government. The ACA is safe until 2021 at the very least.
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Anagram said:
By what metric? Republicans gained seats in the House and Senate during Bush’s first midterm for starters.
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9/11 helped the GOP for sure, but it was an anomaly
 
Dragonfly said:
Based on your own personal perceptions, who won yesterday's midterms?

D's

R's

Nobody won, we all lose regardless
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Split decision and tRump lost.

That the Senate advances for the GOP and the House flips to the Dems can't be viewed separately. They have to be viewed as a whole. The Republicans left a lot of legislative opportunities on the table over the last two years, and now if they want to get anything done they are going to have to reach across the aisle.

And oh yeah, get ready for some wide-open investigations and subpoenas. If tRump thought that being held accountable by the press was difficult, he ain't seen nothing yet!
 
The 2020 Senate elections 20 GOP incumbents defending, with 11-Dems defending there seats. 2020 will be no cake walk in the Senate for the GOP.
 
Phys251 said:
Split decision and tRump lost.

That the Senate advances for the GOP and the House flips to the Dems can't be viewed separately. They have to be viewed as a whole. The Republicans left a lot of legislative opportunities on the table over the last two years, and now if they want to get anything done they are going to have to reach across the aisle.

And oh yeah, get ready for some wide-open investigations and subpoenas. If tRump thought that being held accountable by the press was difficult, he ain't seen nothing yet!
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Trump will ignore/refuse any subpoenas. The SCOTUS will let him get away with it. He will probably try to shut down the ongoing investigations in a similar way. Trump is an authoritarian/totalitarian. He's ignored the law his entire life and largely gotten away with it.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Trump will ignore/refuse any subpoenas. The SCOTUS will let him get away with it. He will probably try to shut down the ongoing investigations in a similar way. Trump is an authoritarian/totalitarian. He's ignored the law his entire life and largely gotten away with it.
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Any request from the House for Trumps tax returns will be from the IRS, Trump will have no option.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Trump will ignore/refuse any subpoenas. The SCOTUS will let him get away with it. He will probably try to shut down the ongoing investigations in a similar way. Trump is an authoritarian/totalitarian. He's ignored the law his entire life and largely gotten away with it.
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He can try. But if all the smoke surrounding him is any indication, he is going to have a LOT of fire to deal with. And his incredibly thin ego has shown his remarkable inability to deal with accusations. I.e., he may very well take a lot of "executive time" and more hate rallies to soothe his ego, instead of showing grace under fire like Obama did.
 
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