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How many immigrants should we take in?

What percentage of people in the USA should be immigrants?

  • At least 30%

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  • At least 40%

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  • At least 50%

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  • Total voters
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Agreed. In short, the best way to help refugees is to fix the problem causing refugees. This requires an international diplomatic effort and, when necessary, an international military effort.

We cannot fix the problems of World poverty and violence. We are also never going to seal our borders. We can certainly work to improve the world but we also need to manage the large scale flow of people into this country. The solution is to provide incentives for people to enter and leave the country legally and with documentation without becoming citizens until they have proven themselves. Refugees pay their own way. It is more expedient to manage them than to criminalize them.

We have the advantage of Geography. It is a long hard trip to get to this country with limited resources. Central and South Americans already come if they want to but with great hardship. Africans can barely make it to Europe much less the US. Forget about Asians. They will never come in large numbers. The barriers are too great. There will not be hoards and a few hundred thousand a year is insignificant to the population as a whole.
 
Legal immigrants?


As many as the US can safely integrate into our society.


Illegals ? Zero.

Agree with zero illegals! The problem with our legal immigrant policy is that those who come here through chain migration
are legal immigrants & I am not for chain migration. I'm not certain of this but I think the 'immigration lottery' is an avenue
for legal entry also, that should be eliminated. So no illegal & only certain avenues of legal immigration, that's what i say!
 
Right now, we already have too many as it is (legal AND illegal). We need tougher border security and we need to halt immigration for a good while (until we can fix our problems here at home). We don't have the means to keep accepting more and more people into this country. Maybe accept a very limited amount of well vetted people at the most, but we do need to accept WAY less than we currently are. We need to take care of our own who are in poverty and such... We are already overpopulated as it is.
 
Right now, we already have too many as it is (legal AND illegal). We need tougher border security and we need to halt immigration for a good while (until we can fix our problems here at home). We don't have the means to keep accepting more and more people into this country. Maybe accept a very limited amount of well vetted people at the most, but we do need to accept WAY less than we currently are. We need to take care of our own who are in poverty and such... We are already overpopulated as it is.

How do you propose to seal the border and how much do you think it will cost? How much are you willing to pay to improve border security?
 
How do you propose to seal the border and how much do you think it will cost? How much are you willing to pay to improve border security?

Whatever the cost would be it will save the USA countless billions because stopping entry will save billions more
in education, medical & housing.
 
Whatever the cost would be it will save the USA countless billions because stopping entry will save billions more
in education, medical & housing.

Huh? Why not just make it illegal to give illegals benefits or hire them or rent to them? WTF is so hard about this? Pass some laws, enforce the laws and let them self-deport. I fail to see why the Republicans are so anxious to blow BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars when it isn't necessary. It makes them look like RW Democrats when they pull this crap.
 
The poll and title ask two different questions.
What percentage of people in the USA should be immigrants?
Economically, whether, within a given pool of laborers and proprietors, the individuals comprising that pool be or be not immigrants (legal) is irrelevant. To wit, as a former business owner, I cared about the citizenship status of sellers of labor I sought to buy is because the law required me to do so. Otherwise, however, I'd have been indifferent about that trait of a seller of labor (aka, a job applicant); I wanted a certain type of labor so I could achieve my business goals, namely delivering a particular set of services from my clients. I wanted excellent developers, project managers and analysts, not immigrant or non-immigrant developers, managers and analysts.

I'm sure folks can posit all sorts of reasons why the ratio of immigrant to non-immigrant buyers and sellers matters to them, but none of those reasons hold water on a macroeconomic level.

The best one can do to answer the question above is to identity an empirically coherent quantity at a point in time and convert that quantity to a percentage.​

How many immigrants should we take in?
Whatever change in the quantity of authorized new immigrants that, in the short run, allows the economy to operate at the limit of its production possibilities curve.







(See also Nash Equilibrium)​



With regard to the quantity of immigrants isn't something for which there is a constant figure. Sometimes the nation needs X-quantity of new immigrants and sometimes the nation needs a quantity other than X to achieve the same end.



Applying the Above Ideas to Government Policymaking:
To be clear, as goes governmental policy, what matters most to me is that the government enact policies that yield maximum economic efficiency. Such policies, in turn, function as the "rules of the game." Upon the rules of the game being published, it's then incumbent on the "players" to develop their skills and comprehension of them so as to, playing by the rules, maximize their personal utility.

Obviously, some people will be better absolute "players" of the "game" and others, in fact most, will be good players at one or another aspect of the "game." That's fine for so long as there is a way for everyone to obtain the maximum possible satisfaction that is possible given their relative investment in their playing ability, nobody, most especially native born citizens, has due cause to be dissatisfied. (One reaps what one sows, as it were.)

For example in the applied context of careers:
  • Accounting careers have a range of lifetime earnings potentials. Other careers have greater and smaller ranges, as well as higher and lower range endpoints.

    If what one wants to do professionally is accounting, one's delusional if one thinks one's going to become a billionaire merely by doing so. On the other hand, a career commenced in accounting (as an accountant) can lead to opportunities that may abet one's becoming a billionaire, or something close to it; however, one must have developed skills in addition to the accounting skills with which one started one's career.

    So, if one's maximized one's potential as an accountant and one's yet dissatisfied (i.e., there remains unobtained utility that one nonetheless seeks), one must come to grips in one of the following ways:
    [*=1]Expand the body of skills and abilities one has.
    [*=1]Acknowledge that one chose a course that simply couldn't provide the utility one sought, and adjust one's utility expectations.
So it is with all careers. Even so, it's not, IMO, the government's role to do anything more than facilitate an environment that makes economic efficiency and production maximization possible. Thus, if we need 10M immigrants because we haven't enough non-immigrants, we need 10M of them. If we need fewer, we need fewer, or if we need more, we need more. The quantity needed is what it is and it's empirically determinable.
 
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As many as necessary to save the lives of the refugees and their families.

These are asylum seekers from war-torn areas in Central America, who have seen people (and loved ones) shot dead in the streets, seen children kidnapped from their homes to be raised as soldiers, drug runners or sex toys, and are desperately trying to stay alive.

I don't care how many people genuinely seeking asylum we take in, as long as they come in legally, we know who they are and we know where they are. Apparently, however, our asylum laws have either been unilaterally changed or re-interpreted to mean "absolutely none." That kinda sickens me.
 
If that's uncertain, then allow me to reword my question accordingly.
How many legal immigrants are we in need of?
How many illegal immigrants are we in need of?

Ask the employers who hire them. Our country has been addicted to cheap labor since the slaves arrived.
 
The number immigrants in the USA continues to rapidly grow, increasing about 400% in the last 30 years. Currently there are 43,000,000 immigrants (not 12 or 20) in the USA, constituting 13.5% of the USA's population. This includes legal and illegal immigrants.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time

In the past, government policy was to set limits on immigrants per region and country they came from. Now the overwhelming majority are from Mexico, Central America and South America by coming here illegally.

If you were setting USA immigration policy, what percentage of people in the USA do you say should be immigrants?

ALL Immigration policy should be based on our resources vs unemployment rate vs jobs available. Asylum seekers get first dibs, everyone else can wait. All of it based on a first come first served basis. Illegals never.

Not what country they're from. Not the color of their skin. Not politically motivated. Not feelings. Or anything else that can be thought up.
 
Why on earth should we put a number on it? If you come in legally and obey our laws, come one - come all.
 
Given that they're a net benefit to the nation, as many as want to come. Retaining the option to deport any criminals after they serve their time.
 
Why on earth should we put a number on it? If you come in legally and obey our laws, come one - come all.

Because our resources are finite. If we had an infinite amount of resources then yeah, fine. But we don't. Necessity demands that we limit the number of immigrants.
 
Given that they're a net benefit to the nation, as many as want to come. Retaining the option to deport any criminals after they serve their time.

If you're talking about LEGAL immigrants...yes they are a net benefit. If you're talking about illegal immigrants, then no, they're not.
 
Ask the employers who hire them. Our country has been addicted to cheap labor since the slaves arrived.

You must be referring to illegals as decades ago when I was still living in the U.S., all my legal immigrant friends, including my wife, were making well above the minimum wage. Where my wife worked were a number of Americans who would only work part time as there was a limit to what they could earn and not reduce their government assistance. That was back in the 80's, and my wife began working for $7.50 an hour raised to $10 an hour in less thqn a couple of months.
 
If we can get the right kind of immigrant; those with skills we need, I say take as many as we can get. but we don' need no stinkin' unskilled workers no mo'
 
This was an attempt by racist white people to promote white European immigration and ignore brown people. Disgustingly stupid policy.


There is no correct percentage. It should be based on supply and demand. We saw during the Financial Crisis that net migration went negative. Many immigrants left because they had a difficult time finding work here in America. The lack of opportunities sent them packing. Today, as the unemployment rate falls below 4% of employers, are having a difficult time finding cheap labor to fill unskilled positions. More immigration is now necessary to fill these open jobs and it should be allowed to naturally increase.

It is amazing how conservatives who talk all day about the free market and the evils of big government regulation want to turn around and be such amazing hypocrites when it comes to this specific situation.

That was then, this is now. Now the "racism" in immigration statistically is racism against anyone who isn't "brown."
 
Agreed and well said, Marine. The wall is a waste of money; we can do better simply by enacting and enforcing laws against employing or harboring (such as renting to) illegals. Let them self-deport. Additionally, most illegals came here legally on a visa then overstayed be it a work or school visa. The wall won't stop them but laws about residency requirements to work or rent will stop them. We, the People need to push Congress for immigration reform including justice for Dreamers.

Semper Fi

Ah, see what you did there? Work requirement reform won't exactly stop them, but it will change how we perceive them by way of a different label.

This is exactly why they are considered illegals in the first place. Where once, people just walked across a territory, now they are "illegals" because somebody drew a line on a map. And what are the vast majority of these people's intentions? To pick our crops, something we raise our children not to do? We lack perspective because we have politicized this to such an alarming degree that we associate "illegal" immigrants to a loss of culture, identity, terrorism, rape, murder, and national security.

But there is no middle ground here. The Republican side is being accused of hating immigrants (as it hangs all ideals on impractical walls and the Active Army), while the Democrat side is being accused of wanting no border at all (as it fails to make any argument whatsoever.)

Semper Fi.
 
I agree with all of the above; but I dont think the solution is to ignore existing law anymore than using the Armed Forces to patrol the border.

Oh, no. But considering that we non-stop deport illegal immigrants every single year, we haven't really been ignoring written law. We pick and choose. I think our problem is that our laws are written in a way that it created a situation where the numbers are too overwhelming, thus we can't address every single individual. But this is no different from the rest of our criminal law, where we create criminals and then can't handle the workload.

- American citizens across the nation can commit the same "crime," but the punishments (if any) will be mixed because often enough its only about a process, not justice.
- We want to create new criminals? Make alcohol illegal.
- We want to create a new criminal? Draw a line on a map and call everybody "illegal."

My point is that a vast majority of "illegals" are only labeled as such because the inadequate laws we created tell us to call them that. Exacerbating laws that need reformed just for shallow political points is not reforming laws. It drives me crazy how conservatives parade Trump around as being tough on immigration, yet for two years he has really done nothing but complain about the issue and play political games. In the meantime, some farmer in Southern California needs the grapes picked, and I don't see a lot of white/black Americans lining up for those jobs. Who tells their kids that when they grow up they can pick tomatoes?
 
ALL Immigration policy should be based on our resources vs unemployment rate vs jobs available. Asylum seekers get first dibs, everyone else can wait. All of it based on a first come first served basis. Illegals never.

Not what country they're from. Not the color of their skin. Not politically motivated. Not feelings. Or anything else that can be thought up.

Those seeking asylum, if in fact their reason for leaving their home country, should be made known to other countries allowing them to be offered asylum in a location where a need might exist and most similar to their culture and language abilities.
Those seeking to immigrate for economic reasons, the requirements should be more stringent.
 
Ah, see what you did there? Work requirement reform won't exactly stop them, but it will change how we perceive them by way of a different label.

This is exactly why they are considered illegals in the first place. Where once, people just walked across a territory, now they are "illegals" because somebody drew a line on a map. And what are the vast majority of these people's intentions? To pick our crops, something we raise our children not to do? We lack perspective because we have politicized this to such an alarming degree that we associate "illegal" immigrants to a loss of culture, identity, terrorism, rape, murder, and national security.

But there is no middle ground here. The Republican side is being accused of hating immigrants (as it hangs all ideals on impractical walls and the Active Army), while the Democrat side is being accused of wanting no border at all (as it fails to make any argument whatsoever.)

Semper Fi.

They come for the money and benefits. Cut out both and 1) they'll stop coming and 2) those who are here will self-deport. I fail to see why that's changing them from being illegal aliens.

Semper Fi
 
Whatever the cost would be it will save the USA countless billions because stopping entry will save billions more
in education, medical & housing.

You do realize that non-citizens don't qualify for benefits. They go to school but the also pay local taxes that pay for the schools. Property (rent) and sales taxes usually pay for public education. They can go to an ER but they will be billed for it.
 
You do realize that non-citizens don't qualify for benefits. They go to school but the also pay local taxes that pay for the schools. Property (rent) and sales taxes usually pay for public education. They can go to an ER but they will be billed for it.

Non-citizens help to depress wages in many industries/occupations which increase citizens qualifying for (means tested) benefits. Non-citizens beget citizens which then do qualify for 'household' benefits.
 
Ah, see what you did there? Work requirement reform won't exactly stop them, but it will change how we perceive them by way of a different label.

This is exactly why they are considered illegals in the first place. Where once, people just walked across a territory, now they are "illegals" because somebody drew a line on a map. And what are the vast majority of these people's intentions? To pick our crops, something we raise our children not to do? We lack perspective because we have politicized this to such an alarming degree that we associate "illegal" immigrants to a loss of culture, identity, terrorism, rape, murder, and national security.

But there is no middle ground here. The Republican side is being accused of hating immigrants (as it hangs all ideals on impractical walls and the Active Army), while the Democrat side is being accused of wanting no border at all (as it fails to make any argument whatsoever.)

Semper Fi.

That (bolded above) is a myth. While many (some lie even more and say most) crop pickers are illegal immigrants most illegal immigrants are not working as crop pickers - far more illegal immigrants work in service, construction, production and maintenance jobs.

Occupations of unauthorized immigrant workers
 
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