Which is Worse?

calamity said:

So, it seems to me the most egregious thing Obama did was mandate that everyone have health insurance or face a stiff fine. Trump's big sin is stoking hate and animosity toward those in the media, liberals and any brown skinned refugee seeking asylum after leaving a ****hole country.

Which is worse?

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If you want to post a poll and expect realistic participation, you should try to avoid making it look stupidly partisan. It should be about health insurance coverage, not Trump.

calamity said:

Feel free to point out why you believe that. Oh, and be sure to support it with facts.

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You posted a ****ing opinion poll and you want others to support their opinion with facts, meanwhile you **** your opinion all over the place.

Bad poll is bad.

ObamaCare. Only crybaby snowflakes are destroyed by words they don't like.

calamity said:

So, it seems to me the most egregious thing Obama did was mandate that everyone have health insurance or face a stiff fine. Trump's big sin is stoking hate and animosity toward those in the media, liberals and any brown skinned refugee seeking asylum after leaving a ****hole country.

Which is worse?

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A little premature considering that there is an active investigation still going on.

We'll hate to wait for Trump stoking hate. Thus far, all the stoking seems to be coming from the left. The right is merely on the defensive.

Grand Mal said:

What kind of bull**** are you trying to pull?

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What kind of contradiction is that? Not trying to pull anything off just revealing this situation as it is.
And BTW there is no responsible contradiction to my post you replied to.

ObamacareFail said:

If you want to post a poll and expect realistic participation, you should try to avoid making it look stupidly partisan. It should be about health insurance coverage, not Trump.

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So, me pointing out the worst thing Obama did (as your screen name implies) and the worst thing Trump is doing is somehow partisan. lol...sounds like you have a conscience after all.

And, your conscience would be right. The worst thing Trump is doing is a million times worse than the worst thing Obama did.

Lovebug said:

We'll hate to wait for Trump stoking hate. Thus far, all the stoking seems to be coming from the left. The right is merely on the defensive.

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Is that why the Right Winger shot all those Jews? He was on the defensive? :roll:

Xelor said:

Red:
I disagree. Trump's big sins are:

• Pride
• Avarice
• Lust
• Wrath
• Sloth

Those are his sins, and from them issue all his actions.

While his actions can be weighed on a "scale of sinfulness," the fault is that he is sinful, and thus befouled be all he does. Trump's "big sin" is that he is an innately sinful man.

SDET said:

I voted, but neither Clinton nor Trump, hence my kick in the nuts or poke in the eye comparison. The GOP will dump trump if he were to become too big of a political liability.

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Red:
Perhaps your remarks were intended for someone other than me?

• If not, did you share a comparison in this thread and that was supposed to have obtained my attention?

I have no idea to what comparison your "red" remark above refers....The only content from this thread that I've read is the title, poll question, OP and, now, your remark above that quoted my post.

Lovebug said:

We'll hate to wait for Trump stoking hate. Thus far, all the stoking seems to be coming from the left. The right is merely on the defensive.

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A bit early for that position. You should wait to do that after the midterms.

I said that Obama's actions are worse, but not because I dislike him or particularly like Trump. My choice is primarily due to the long-term repercussions of the actions themselves.

Trump has definitely done his fair share of "stoking hate", but I'm not sure how detrimental that will be in the future. The people he's riling up generally already hold the views that Trump espouses; the only difference now is that they're a little louder. This, of course, might risk potentially swaying more people over to bigoted view points, but the more likely scenario is that these louder people have just become easier targets for active liberals to discredit and make an example of. In truth, Trump has probably done more to HELP tolerant view points by being such a deplorable figurehead to supremacists and intolerance.

Obama's health coverage mandates, on the other hand, have had more long-lasting effects that both threaten stability of future medical legislation and set a terrible precedent. I have many issues with government-controlled, tax payer-funded health insurance, but most significantly I take issue with its lack of longevity. If we were to enact such a huge overhaul of both the healthcare system and government responsibilities, we need to make sure that it's changed for the long haul. As it stands, every time we get a new administration, there's going to be huge upheaval, huge changes, and millions of people in healthcare limbo, because the Republicans and Democrats can't just find a common ground. When Democrats come into power, they'll implement their version of Obamacare; when Republicans come into power during the next administration they're going to work their hardest to dismantle it. This damaging cycle is going to go on-and-on, leaving the most vulnerable and needy American citizens in a constant battle for care in an already maimed system. Adding insult to injury, Obamacare has now created an expectation in people that they deserve this healthcare and that they're going to get it. Congress doesn't have time to formulate a plan and work out the kinks, because they're so desperate to keep their seats and adhere to their constituents' expectations that they're willing to hurry along any legislation supported by their party without considering the possibility of bipartisan compromise and long-term plans.

calamity said:

So, me pointing out the worst thing Obama did (as your screen name implies) and the worst thing Trump is doing is somehow partisan. lol...sounds like you have a conscience after all.

And, your conscience would be right. The worst thing Trump is doing is a million times worse than the worst thing Obama did.

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My point is that on this thread, your poll is nothing more then click bait. All the hate stoking has come from the left, not Trump. The left has been figuratively nipping at Trump and his supporters heels since election day. You did not post a poll. You posted a hate stoking political rant.

calamity said:

Is that why the Right Winger shot all those Jews? He was on the defensive? :roll:

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That is such a childish game to play. The right does not claim that nutcase anymore then the left claims that nutcase that shot up the congressional baseball park nearly killing republican Representative Steve Scalise. He was specifically targeting republicans.

I think mandating insurance is an infringement on rights. Trump's rethoric may be harsh but to say he is stoking hate is an exaggeration. What he does is advocate for a strong America, strong borders and control of illegal immigration. He has said he has no problem with immigration when done by the laws we have. His words are always taken out of context and exaggerated by the leftist politicians and left media. I don't like everything he does or says but the exaggeration is hurting more than his words.