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Who will protect people with pre-existing conditions?

Who will protect people with pre-existing conditions?

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TurtleDude said:
free? no it was part of my employment contract with my last employer and part of my pension pays for it
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okay, so you're paying for it by giving up part of the pension you're going to need once you retire. Wouldn't it be better for you if you could retire with a larger pension? Nothing in this life is free and the majority of Americans are paying for healthcare for themselves directly and also for others in the form of taxes for programs like Medicaid.
 
Obamacare... the really big lie from Obama! You can keep your Dr! You can keep your health insurance if you like it! The average middle class family will save $2000 a year.

All big fat lies!
 
HumblePi said:
okay, so you're paying for it by giving up part of the pension you're going to need once you retire. Wouldn't it be better for you if you could retire with a larger pension? Nothing in this life is free and the majority of Americans are paying for healthcare for themselves directly and also for others in the form of taxes for programs like Medicaid.
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I hate to rain on your parade-I was paying more in taxes a QUARTER than my salary was at DOJ a Year
 
jimbo said:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The question is where in the Constitution are the Feds delegated the right?
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I don't know how you associate the 10th Amendment with the government providing universal healthcare.
 
TurtleDude said:
tell me why someone should be able to not buy insurance until they have a problem and then demand the insurance company cover that pre-existing problem
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Tell me why if i switch jobs tomorrow which by default switches my insurance my new insurance should be able to tell me they wont cover my asthma meds cause i had that before they started covering me? or continue to pay for my rehab because i broke that bone before they were covering me?

the answer is they shouldn't and theres no logical reason why they should be allowed too


My point is preexisting conditions are not a black white issue but dropping them would make it a black white issue. . . I agree it should NOT be wide open but dropping it like many politicians are trying to do would make it closed and not open at all. If i have to choose between closed and wide open i pick wide open everytime. Maybe they should quit bickering like little kids and come up with something in the middle.
 
TurtleDude said:
I hate to rain on your parade-I was paying more in taxes a QUARTER than my salary was at DOJ a Year
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Exactly how would that be 'raining on my parade' ?
 
AGENT J said:
Tell me why if i switch jobs tomorrow which by default switches my insurance my new insurance should be able to tell me they wont cover my asthma meds cause i had that before they started covering me? or continue to pay for my rehab because i broke that bone before they were covering me?

the answer is they shouldn't and theres no logical reason why they should be allowed too


My point is preexisting conditions are not a black white issue but dropping them would make it a black white issue. . . I agree it should NOT be wide open but dropping it like many politicians are trying to do would make it closed and not open at all. If i have to choose between closed and wide open i pick wide open everytime. Maybe they should quit bickering like little kids and come up with something in the middle.
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that's a good point.
 
HumblePi said:
It's not substandard at all and there's plenty of Canadians right here in this forum who can speak better to this issue than I can. Saying that, I have known many Canadians that were absolutely satisfied with their free healthcare.
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But again, I don't want to cough up my hard earned for stoners who wound up messed up because they decided that drugs were more important than life. It is NOT my job to do that.
 
HumblePi said:
I don't know how you associate the 10th Amendment with the government providing universal healthcare.
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Because NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that the government is to be the end all be all and our big daddy. America, at least for now, is still about the INDIVIDUAL!!!!. Not some collective bullsh*t.
 
HumblePi said:
I don't know how you associate the 10th Amendment with the government providing universal healthcare.
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Why am I not surprised?

The question is where in the Constitution are the Feds delegated the right?
 
TurtleDude said:
free? no it was part of my employment contract with my last employer and part of my pension pays for it
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So the employees in your employer's company are paying and you're okay with that. You've got a good thing going, but God forbid than anyone should ask you to contribute.
 
TurtleDude said:
tell me why someone should be able to not buy insurance until they have a problem and then demand the insurance company cover that pre-existing problem
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Is it really that simple for you? Reduce the issue to an absurdity and then lazily refute that absurdity?
My sister bought cancellation insurance for an extended overseas vacation she planned. A couple weeks before her departure date our mother was diagnosed with a malicious form of cancer. When my sister cancelled her trip and claimed the insurance she was told that it was a pre-existing condition, that our mother had the cancer before the insurance policy was entered into.
That's what you're defending.
 
bearpoker said:
So the employees in your employer's company are paying and you're okay with that. You've got a good thing going, but God forbid than anyone should ask you to contribute.
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I pay over a half million in taxes each year. I suspect I am paying for lots of peoples' government benefits
 
Bassman said:
But again, I don't want to cough up my hard earned for stoners who wound up messed up because they decided that drugs were more important than life. It is NOT my job to do that.
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Well it's a epidemic that will eventually touch a great portion of our population if it goes unchecked as it has been. Providing education, rehabilitation and recovery options to those who are addicted to drugs will actually save the government more money in the long run than not addressing this problem as a medical condition and an urgent issue now.
 
Grand Mal said:
Is it really that simple for you? Reduce the issue to an absurdity and then lazily refute that absurdity?
My sister bought cancellation insurance for an extended overseas vacation she planned. A couple weeks before her departure date our mother was diagnosed with a malicious form of cancer. When my sister cancelled her trip and claimed the insurance she was told that it was a pre-existing condition, that our mother had the cancer before the insurance policy was entered into.
That's what you're defending.
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nope-try again
 
Master PO said:
get rid of your cell phone, your cable tv, stop drinking booze and going out on weekends, and use the money for health care
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And if you still get cancer? No matter how cleanly you live, bad thing can happen.
 
Oh my God, there are so many people that have no idea how insurance is supposed to work.

"The gubmint will take care of me and make da insurance cumpnie cover my sickness, but only AFTER I get sick. That's what the Gubmint is four. To pay for **** I don't want to pay for before I just plain haf to."
 
TurtleDude said:
that's a good point.
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Thanks

but its not just a point its reality. Its ist just SOME of the things that were going on before ACA.


the other thing that is brain baffling and we the american people let it happen is even if the politicians get together and come up with a middle of the road decision that decision will be made mostly by politicians. Politicians persuaded by INSURANCE money and PHARMACEUTICAL money and LITTLE influence from . . . . . . wait for it . . DOCTORS . . .

so sad and jacked up
 
Beaudreaux said:
Oh my God, there are so many people that have no idea how insurance is supposed to work.

"The gubmint will take care of me and make da insurance cumpnie cover my sickness, but only AFTER I get sick. That's what the Gubmint is four. To pay for **** I don't want to pay for before I just plain haf to."
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Hmm, maybe we should impose a financial cost on free-riding, to discourage adverse selection and get people to maintain insurance before they get sick.

That's a great idea!
 
TurtleDude said:
nope-try again
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Try what? To guess what you're saying, 'nope' to?
No, wait, you mean 'nope' to "Is it really that simple for you?" Implying that your quote, "tell me why someone should be able to not buy insurance until they have a problem and then demand the insurance company cover that pre-existing problem" isn't reductio ad absurdum. Theres absurdities at both ends of the scale. If you rely on an absurdity from the starboard side you have to accept another from the port side. That okay?
 
Greenbeard said:
Hmm, maybe we should impose a financial cost on free-riding, to discourage adverse selection and get people to maintain insurance before they get sick.

That's a great idea!
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You don't honestly think that the IRS "penalty" for not getting insurance is high enough actually make people get insurance, do you? Who gets that penalty money, the insurance companies or the gubmint? If the penalty isn't given to the insurance companies, it doesn't do a freaking thing to off-set costs.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Oh my God, there are so many people that have no idea how insurance is supposed to work.

"The gubmint will take care of me and make da insurance cumpnie cover my sickness, but only AFTER I get sick. That's what the Gubmint is four. To pay for **** I don't want to pay for before I just plain haf to."
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Just judging from your comment, I don't think you have a clue as to how health insurance is supposed to work either.
 
HumblePi said:
Just judging from your comment, I don't think you have a clue as to how health insurance is supposed to work either.
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Sure. That single small post told you all you needed to know. If that's the case, your post says a hell of a lot more than what I posted.
 
bearpoker said:
And if you still get cancer? No matter how cleanly you live, bad thing can happen.
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thats true, however if you need insurance, you do without cell, cable and what other things you dont have to have to get that insurance.

life is not a guarantee.
 
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