How Much Would It Take?

molten_dragon said:

Considering I have kids the bolded part would be a deal-breaker. There's no amount of money that would make me leave my kids behind to take a job.

But assuming I could take my kids with me, $50,000/year in CoL-adjusted money would do it. Obviously it would take a lot more than that in actual dollars if I was moving to somewhere really expensive like New York or San Francisco.

There are also places that I just flat-out don't want to live and it would take more to to lure me to somewhere like that.

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I amended my statement in post #21

That last sentence is the striking point, right? How much to go where you don't necessarily want to go...

ChezC3 said:

Let's say you get a job offer but it's across the country. You'd have to move someplace you never been, with only your spouse.

You're currently doing OK, but, hey, let's face it, who couldn't stand having a little more?

Now, there's a chance, that if you stay you might be able to match what that raise would be, but, you know, there are no guarantees.

How much of an income increase would make you move?

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To a degree it depends on the living/housing costs in the area that it would be necessary to move to.

But I'd be willing to move for a job paying $60,000/year, assuming the living expenses in the area don't eliminate the increase over my current income.

Of course, I don't have a spouse or partner.

Moderate Right said:

Is there an actual reason for this question, other than curiosity? Another factor to consider is advancement opportunities. It's not just about the money. When I was single I did this more than once and it was always a step up the ladder. That's the trouble with the left these days, they are content with doing nothing to improve their lives, they just want to be paid more for doing what they are already doing. This is particularly true of the poor. Many in the fast food industry have opportunities to improve their lives and all they have to do is move across town and they won't do it.

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I expect you would find the "left" more willing to move than the right (excluding those with military backgrounds)

Given that it seems the "left" typically has higher levels of education, they move to go for their education (college or uni). To get the jobs that their education can get them they typically need to move as well. This is why San Fran, Seattle, NYC, Boston etc, have high housing costs, the left moving to where higher paying jobs are. The "right" being more rural and traditional tend to stay in the communities they grew up in regardless of the economic conditions of the region. Ie Rural New York vs New York. Do you think it the left that are staying in rural North Carolina, or are those who lean left, the ones going to university and moving to the RTP region.

ChezC3 said:

The only thing good out of Rockford is the Rockford Institute. Don't know how the hell that ended up there.

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Around the Oil Embargo Mayor Mcgaw had us wearing huge ROCKY PRIDE! buttons talking about how we had more per capita park/forest preserve acres than almost any other city.

I took that as a bad sign....the stench of desperation I mean.

At this point in my life I am fortunate enough to be well enough off that money is no longer a driving influence in such decisions. I actually DO want to move across country but am staying put so my kids can grow up around family. More money won’t change that factor.

ChezC3 said:

That last sentence is the striking point, right? How much to go where you don't necessarily want to go...

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Depends on how much I don't want to go there.

If we're talking about somewhere I would just dislike, let's say a midsize city in Oklahoma for example, maybe another $25k/year. If we're talking about somewhere I would really despise, let's say Nome, Alaska, it might take a couple hundred thousand a year extra to lure me there. And I'd be going into it with the intention of doing it for a few years and leaving.

Another factor which I didn't mention earlier that would affect it is how easy it would be for my wife to get a job in the new place, and what her salary would be like.

tl;dr - it's a complicated question that's hard to give a simple answer to.

I did exactly that, was made an offer I could not refuse to work in Saudi. I retired from the military, never made much. Went to work for the Feds, never made much. Now its time to use those skills and cash in!

I have no spouse or children, a very easy decision to make once I got the numbers I wanted.

This is a very difficult question, and I have not answered it yet.

I probably make roughly twelve-thousand a year. I say roughly, because I've only seen two bi-weekly pay-checks at this new job, and while I'm technically part-time, I take on a lot of extra hours. I'm unmarried, without kids, but if I'm being honest with myself, I'd like to see that change, but never felt that I was financially secure enough or responsible enough to make that happen. A substantial increase in pay might change that situation, and the first option would qualify as a substantial increase in income.

The most I've ever brought in was probably a little over twenty-grand at a meat-processing plant. The plant is about forty-five minutes from my house, and I worked so many hours that I basically just slept and went to work throughout the week. I was at the job for two years, and I ended up quitting and settling for a part-time stocking position because the extra money wasn't actually doing anything to improve my life, or sense of self-worth, and it certainly wasn't making me any happier. All that job did was enable me to drink more. A lot more.

There have definitely been repercussions from my decision to quit, and I've gone through some ups and downs these past six years, but I got to spend more time with my grandmother during her last few years, so I regret nothing.

I'm very close to my family. When I moved out of my mother's house, I stayed in the same town, and I currently live with two of my siblings. I've thought about the prospect of moving to a place with a better job-market, but I can't actually imagine being happy like that. Even if I was willing to turn my back on the few people in my life, I am not someone who makes friends easily; on the outside I'm a guy who can seem confident and I daresay charismatic, but on the inside, I'm an extreme introvert.

I already work Overseas and get paid very well.

Lord Tammerlain said:

I expect you would find the "left" more willing to move than the right (excluding those with military backgrounds)

Given that it seems the "left" typically has higher levels of education, they move to go for their education (college or uni). To get the jobs that their education can get them they typically need to move as well. This is why San Fran, Seattle, NYC, Boston etc, have high housing costs, the left moving to where higher paying jobs are. The "right" being more rural and traditional tend to stay in the communities they grew up in regardless of the economic conditions of the region. Ie Rural New York vs New York. Do you think it the left that are staying in rural North Carolina, or are those who lean left, the ones going to university and moving to the RTP region.

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You may have a point there, except for the dirt poor, the uneducated left. I have been in retail for decades and I have personally witnessed hundreds, if not thousands, over the years who had a chance to better their lot in life merely my moving to a different neighborhood in the same town (we're talking apartments here, not homes) and they won't do it.

Moderate Right said:

You may have a point there, except for the dirt poor, the uneducated left. I have been in retail for decades and I have personally witnessed hundreds, if not thousands, over the years who had a chance to better their lot in life merely my moving to a different neighborhood in the same town (we're talking apartments here, not homes) and they won't do it.

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How would moving to another neighborhood substantially better a person's life? Are we talking about cheaper housing, or changing jobs entirely and then moving closer to that location?

Personally, I've always had a bit of a commute. There are no jobs in the small village I reside in, and have always worked somewhere between twenty to forty-five minutes from my house. I might be a little better off if I moved into one of the larger towns in the area—easier on gas, and I might be able to forgo all expenditures that are related to owning a car, but I would also be giving up a rent-free situation.

Also, I think it was you who mentioned moving up in position, but I apologize if I'm actually responding to the wrong person on that. I don't personally think that everybody is suited to be a supervisor or to be in any sort of management position. Some people are simply not meant to run the place, regardless of how much of a hard-working cog they may actually be.

When you're good at something, or semi-competent, at least, it may be hard to imagine how others might not be.

DH Kirkwood said:

How would moving to another neighborhood substantially better a person's life? Are we talking about cheaper housing, or changing jobs entirely and then moving closer to that location?

Personally, I've always had a bit of a commute. There are no jobs in the small village I reside in, and have always worked somewhere between twenty to forty-five minutes from my house. I might be a little better off if I moved into one of the larger towns in the area—easier on gas, and I might be able to forgo all expenditures that are related to owning a car, but I would also be giving up a rent-free situation.

Also, I think it was you who mentioned moving up in position, but I apologize if I'm actually responding to the wrong person on that. I don't personally think that everybody is suited to be a supervisor or to be in any sort of management position. Some people are simply not meant to run the place, regardless of how much of a hard-working cog they may actually be.

When you're good at something, or semi-competent, at least, it may be hard to imagine how others might not be.

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Job opportunities. I have seen many instances where a company has offered someone a promotion working at a store or restaurant on the other side of town, requiring a move, and these people wouldn't do it. I don't even remember one case where they did. If people are content being Indians then they shouldn't complain about their pay. Everyone, everywhere is paid what they are worth, including me. I want to be an astronaut or a major league baseball player or an actor or the CEO of a large corporation making millions of dollars per year but the fact is I'm not doing it and it's not their fault or society's fault that I'm not. It's my fault. Everyone making minimum wage is making minimum wage because that is all they are worth. If they were worth more then they would have a job paying more.

Moderate Right said:

You may have a point there, except for the dirt poor, the uneducated left. I have been in retail for decades and I have personally witnessed hundreds, if not thousands, over the years who had a chance to better their lot in life merely my moving to a different neighborhood in the same town (we're talking apartments here, not homes) and they won't do it.

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I doubt the dirt poor lean identify as left. They certainly are not likely to be US style leftists, most I expect will profess being religious and at least for non immigrants, anti immigrant in nature. In general I doubt that the dirt poor identify left or right, but those in rural or smaller cities or towns I expect will identify as being more conservative than liberal

ChezC3 said:

Let's say you get a job offer but it's across the country. You'd have to move someplace you never been, with only your spouse.

You're currently doing OK, but, hey, let's face it, who couldn't stand having a little more?

Now, there's a chance, that if you stay you might be able to match what that raise would be, but, you know, there are no guarantees.

How much of an income increase would make you move?

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Depends on where your asking me to move. There's more to consider than just distance

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