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Will MBS remain as Crown Prince?

Will MBS remain as Crown Prince?


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Will MBS remain as Crown Prince?
 
Depends what Erdogan has to say in his speech tomorrow.......imo.
 
Depends what Erdogan has to say in his speech tomorrow.......imo.

Yes, that will be interesting. Guess I should have waited
 
I have no idea, plain and simple. What is going on to make me think otherwise?
 
Hope not, but I don't have new insights.
 
Depends what Erdogan has to say in his speech tomorrow.......imo.
I don't think that's going to be the deciding factor. Rather, it's whether the US and other nations create enough pressure to enable his domestic opponents of things like letting women drive, trying to modernize the economy, etc., And whether they, in turn, can put enough pressure on the King.
 
Has he any brothers with whom his father might replace him?
 
I don't think that's going to be the deciding factor. Rather, it's whether the US and other nations create enough pressure to enable his domestic opponents of things like letting women drive, trying to modernize the economy, etc., And whether they, in turn, can put enough pressure on the King.

Red:
I agree with that assertion. I'm not certain what, if anything, will alter the decision that made MBS the crown prince, but Erdogan's speech featurely very, very low on any list of "deciding factors" I might posit.


Blue:
Does the King even know what's been going on, let alone heard tell of his son's potential role in it? The state has admitted the man has "pre-dementia." Now unless SA is incredibly honest and forthcoming about such things -- and I heartily doubt it is -- that depiction of the King's mental status is a gross understatement and more likely a flat out mischaracterization.

How much pressure can one put on a senile man who is technically an absolute ruler and who's always thought of himself as nothing other than that? Unlike an aged American's addled mind that can be cowed into compliance by arms and organs of state power, that man and his son, in his mind, literally is the state.

One must consider matters of succession in a theocratic absolute monarchy from the standpoint of monarchy, not from the standpoint of democracy overlaid onto a monarchy as may be somewhat apt were SA a constitutional monarchy of some stripe. To wit, SA doesn't even have a constitution or well defined body of laws, other perhaps than Islamic Law. It just has the King and his appointees. What the king says goes, and whether it goes has nothing to do with precedent or any other notions of equitable and rationally arbitered jurisprudence.

FWIW, I think about the only thing that's going to "defrock" the crown price is his assassination or a domestic revolt, on an order greater than the "Arab Spring," that dethrones his family and replaces it with another or something other than an absolute monarchy. Quite frankly, I don't see that happening.
 
Red:
I agree with that assertion. I'm not certain what, if anything, will alter the decision that made MBS the crown prince, but Erdogan's speech featurely very, very low on any list of "deciding factors" I might posit.


Blue:
Does the King even know what's been going on, let alone heard tell of his son's potential role in it? The state has admitted the man has "pre-dementia." Now unless SA is incredibly honest and forthcoming about such things -- and I heartily doubt it is -- that depiction of the King's mental status is a gross understatement and more likely a flat out mischaracterization.

I'll admit, I wasn't tracking that. You are likely right.

Damn, that puts the rest of the royal family in a bind :lol:.

One must consider matters of succession in a theocratic absolute monarchy from the standpoint of monarchy, not from the standpoint of democracy overlaid onto a monarchy as may be somewhat apt were SA a constitutional monarchy of some stripe. To wit, SA doesn't even have a constitution or well defined body of laws, other perhaps than Islamic Law. It just has the King and his appointees. What the king says goes, and whether it goes has nothing to do with precedent or any other notions of equitable and rationally arbitered jurisprudence.

Hm. As I understood it, the position really up for grabs was the Deputy Crown Prince - third in line. That way, when the transfer happens, everyone knows exactly who is up for the throne, has had time to get used to it, and the will of the previous King has already been made clear. As I recall, MBS replaced a cousin in his current role.
 
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