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Is Jared Right?

Will the Khashoggi Affair Peter Out?

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Rexedgar said:
Kushner has reportedly told Trump that the outrage will die down soon, just as it did after reports emerged that Saudi Arabia was responsible for killing 40 children in a brutal attack during Yemen's civil war.



https://thehill.com/policy/internat...top-intel-officer-for-khashoggi-disappearance
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The overt outrage will die down. Let's face it, There'll be a new one before long. That's how it goes in Trump world. It will be remembered, though. Yet another repulsive feature of our president to remember at the polls.
 
Rexedgar said:
Kushner has reportedly told Trump that the outrage will die down soon, just as it did after reports emerged that Saudi Arabia was responsible for killing 40 children in a brutal attack during Yemen's civil war.



https://thehill.com/policy/internat...top-intel-officer-for-khashoggi-disappearance
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Well...sure. If a Congress is not willing to exercise its oversight duties and if their constituents are not willing to punish them for not exercising oversight duties, then sure, Trump will just be able to skate past this.

If, however, at least one chamber of Congress exercised its oversight duties, then the White House would be considerably less likely to slide past issues such as this. But it's not inaccurate to point out that Trump has de facto immunity through majority. And it's not inaccurate to point out that a White House happy with replacing one scandal with the next is able to keep skating on that strategy. For a while, at least.
 
We are supposed to be dropping MOABs on that countries cities. According to President Trump anyway.
 
Bucky said:
I wonder what happened to all those kavanaugh accusers? Michael Avanatti sure has been silient on that topic.
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WTF does that have to do with this topic? Troll elsewhere........
 
glug glug glurp


That's the sound of this story sinking into the Trump swamp.
 
Bucky said:
I wonder what happened to all those kavanaugh accusers? Michael Avanatti sure has been silient on that topic.
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Ah so trumptard is in trouble so you try to swoop in and deflect trumptard’s despicable actions. Typical of his supporters.
 
Rexedgar said:
Kushner has reportedly told Trump that the outrage will die down soon, just as it did after reports emerged that Saudi Arabia was responsible for killing 40 children in a brutal attack during Yemen's civil war.



https://thehill.com/policy/internat...top-intel-officer-for-khashoggi-disappearance
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He's likely correct. A good portion of the country no longer believe that america is the shining city on the hill that the world looks up to as Reagan or JFK would describe it. More happy being the ignorant bully. It's sad. It makes it even more noticeable when it follows a very thoughtful presidency as Obama's was. The contrast is that more glaring. Very little room left for any uniting of americans. Very little room for intelligent discussion. Very little room for leading the world. Our power around the world has diminished in ways that most americans will never even think about.
 
If you get too close to or touch a skunk, you get some on ya'. We been a little to close to this reprehensible skunk for too long and we begin to smell the same. It's up to the Mighty Wurlitzer and now we'll see who has control of that. The Saudis can afford a lot of MSM. The MIC, Saudi Arabia's best customer, can afford a lot of MSM. Who represents virtue and moral standards? I haven't heard any organized Churches plaintive wails.
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Rexedgar said:
Kushner has reportedly told Trump that the outrage will die down soon, just as it did after reports emerged that Saudi Arabia was responsible for killing 40 children in a brutal attack during Yemen's civil war.



https://thehill.com/policy/internat...top-intel-officer-for-khashoggi-disappearance
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Trump has employed a unique and unfortunately effective strategy of burying one outrage with another. Trump has more controversies in a week than most Administrations have in a calendar quarter, or even a year. The public and (the news organizations) simply lack the capacity to keep any of these otherwise presidency killing outrages in focus for more than a few days.
 
DaveFagan said:
If you get too close to or touch a skunk, you get some on ya'. We been a little to close to this reprehensible skunk for too long and we begin to smell the same. It's up to the Mighty Wurlitzer and now we'll see who has control of that. The Saudis can afford a lot of MSM. The MIC, Saudi Arabia's best customer, can afford a lot of MSM. Who represents virtue and moral standards? I haven't heard any organized Churches plaintive wails.
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That's a good segue to this gem:

Evangelical Leader Pat Robertson On Saudi Arabia: 'We've Got To Cool The Rhetoric'

Evangelical Christian leader Pat Robertson called this week for Americans to “cool the rhetoric” on Saudi Arabia over the apparent killing of U.S. resident Jamal Khashoggi because the Middle Eastern nation is an ally and has a lucrative arms deal with the United States.

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The Saudi regime is ..... investigating itself. What a novel concept of law enforcement!

At any rate, the Trump administration is going to do whatever is the least possible. KSA pours money into Trump properties in D.C. and New York.
 
Mycroft said:
Before I can answer your question I'll need to see a quote from Kushner.
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You and Kavanaugh won’t answer hypotheticals!? Carry on, Justice, if you think about it, bring me a beer too!
 
Rexedgar said:
You and Kavanaugh won’t answer hypotheticals!? Carry on, Justice, if you think about it, bring me a beer too!
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I don't drink. Neither do I believe rumors.
 
upsideguy said:
Trump has employed a unique and unfortunately effective strategy of burying one outrage with another. Trump has more controversies in a week than most Administrations have in a calendar quarter, or even a year. The public and (the news organizations) simply lack the capacity to keep any of these otherwise presidency killing outrages in focus for more than a few days.
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True. It would only work for a leader that has a following that would stick with him even if he shot someone dead in the streets. His following seems to be just that. Compiling a list of all major scandals during the obama administration could be done in under an hour. Compiling a list of all major Trump scandals boggles the mind. With Trump, if you are planning on listing scandals the easiest way to get the point across is listing only those that occurred in the last brief period of time, be it a week or a month depending on just how many scandals have been uncovered lately. On top of that you have a president unwilling to divulge any information to hold him accountable (like financial info or tax returns), lying about all details big or small (just the other day he lied about having no financial ties or interest in Saudi Arabia which is a lie, unwilling to divest from his company in any meaningful way even though they mostly deal in foreign countries and goes around begging foreign banks for loans, seemingly wants to go toe to toe with anyone who has been a long standing ally, seemingly wants to netflix and chill with any leader who is essentially a ruthless dictator etc. etc.

There was a very brief moment right after Trump won where he gave a speech that in his own way really seemed as if the entire goal of it was to unite the country. I wasn't happy with his win and still didn't he was qualified or capable, but at least there was some kind of outward sign that he understood the country as a whole was what was important and to be put above all else. Our people, our integrity, our reputation. Since then he has very much demonstrated that he's incapable of uniting. He's incapable of governing. He's incapable of deep thought at all I'm afraid to say. He's a salesman. He's a hype guy. But after he sold you the car and it turns out he lied about it, it cost more than he promised, it doesn't run like it should, he will point you at someone else that handles that because he'll be busy trying to sell something else to someone else. It wasn't his fault that he lied to you. That's your fault.
 
Everything depends on what gets proven. If it is proven that this Jamal was killed in the consulate then the Saudi's will have to deal with it, the best response would be to remove the Crown Prince due to incompetence.... this disaster would then be self inflicted, and he has in a short period of time done a lot of dumb things. .
 
roughdraft274 said:
True. It would only work for a leader that has a following that would stick with him even if he shot someone dead in the streets. His following seems to be just that. Compiling a list of all major scandals during the obama administration could be done in under an hour. Compiling a list of all major Trump scandals boggles the mind. With Trump, if you are planning on listing scandals the easiest way to get the point across is listing only those that occurred in the last brief period of time, be it a week or a month depending on just how many scandals have been uncovered lately. On top of that you have a president unwilling to divulge any information to hold him accountable (like financial info or tax returns), lying about all details big or small (just the other day he lied about having no financial ties or interest in Saudi Arabia which is a lie, unwilling to divest from his company in any meaningful way even though they mostly deal in foreign countries and goes around begging foreign banks for loans, seemingly wants to go toe to toe with anyone who has been a long standing ally, seemingly wants to netflix and chill with any leader who is essentially a ruthless dictator etc. etc.

There was a very brief moment right after Trump won where he gave a speech that in his own way really seemed as if the entire goal of it was to unite the country. I wasn't happy with his win and still didn't he was qualified or capable, but at least there was some kind of outward sign that he understood the country as a whole was what was important and to be put above all else. Our people, our integrity, our reputation. Since then he has very much demonstrated that he's incapable of uniting. He's incapable of governing. He's incapable of deep thought at all I'm afraid to say. He's a salesman. He's a hype guy. But after he sold you the car and it turns out he lied about it, it cost more than he promised, it doesn't run like it should, he will point you at someone else that handles that because he'll be busy trying to sell something else to someone else. It wasn't his fault that he lied to you. That's your fault.
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Well stated. You and I went through the same thought process. For a little while, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I thought he might actually be alright. Unfortunately, he was not capable of "pivoting" to presidential. His need for admiration and self-aggrandizing was just too great for him ever to be a good, much less competent, president.
 
upsideguy said:
Well stated. You and I went through the same thought process. For a little while, I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I thought he might actually be alright. Unfortunately, he was not capable of "pivoting" to presidential. His need for admiration and self-aggrandizing was just too great for him ever to be a good, much less competent, president.
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Self promotion is not a sign of lack of skills, especially in the political game.

Where do you get your ideas?
 
bearpoker said:
The overt outrage will die down. Let's face it, There'll be a new one before long. That's how it goes in Trump world. It will be remembered, though. Yet another repulsive feature of our president to remember at the polls.
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The media is incapable of reporting on most stories for very long unless something new comes out or it's a major political figure, so it's not unique to President Trump. It has been the norm long before he ever arrived on the scene.
 
Well, of course, the uproar will die down. Everything does.

What's relevant is whether people will remember it and remain pissed about how the Trump Administration has handled the relationship with the Saudis along with the Khashoggi matter itself.
 
Frankly, I think a material share of "grass roots" Trumpkins already don't and never did give a damn about the matter. I suspect they just think one more dead Arab/Muslim is a good thing.
 
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