Is Elizabeth Warren a "Woman of Color"?

year2late said:

Dude, she was defending herself against the silly attacks from the right.

When she was not taking the test many on the right were saying she has something to hide.

Now that she took the test y'all are singing a different tune.:lamo

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what all the Fauxchontas fan club members miss is this

the left has created a system where it favors racial quotas in employment and academic selection environments. Lieyawatha apparently used ivy league law schools' desires for "ethnic diversity" among their faculty to get teaching positions in two such prestigious law schools despite having an academic resume that normally wouldn't be sufficient.

that is what we on the right poke fun at.

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Taylor said:

She claimed she was a minority for almost a decade as she was working her way up the ladder.

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Im sorry what one of my questions does this answer?

year2late said:

She is claiming to have ancestors multiple generations ago that were Native American,


I said this on another thread. I am Scottish on my mom's side. The last known Scottish descendant was 17th century. We used this heritage every year for multicultural days at my son's grade school. Even baked Scottish dishes for the multicultural days. Does this mean I am claiming to be Scottish? I am an American citizen, Both sides of my family have been here since the early 18th century. I am an American with Scottish heritage. I am not claiming to be "Scottish" I am claiming to have distant ancestors that were Scottish. And yeah, for multicultural day I pulled recipies off the internet to bake for the pot luck. Never made the recipes before either...

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In your example you made a distinction there that you are an American citizen. By doing so you are discarding your being Scottish. You acknowledge that you have Scottish ancestry but are more interested in being labeled an American than being Scottish. There are American's that claim to be Scottish, Irish, African, etc etc even though they are also American. Those that do so are actually interested in their ancestry and have invested time and effort into that ancestry. They try to follow the culture and customs of that ancestry and prefer to be labeled as Scottish, Irish, African etc etc more than being labeled American.

Tell me, what is the point in claiming Native American ancestry on an employment form?

year2late said:

Dude, she was defending herself against the silly attacks from the right.

When she was not taking the test many on the right were saying she has something to hide.

Now that she took the test y'all are singing a different tune.:lamo

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Specifically that she seems to have been dishonest, and it is funny; made even funnier by the Tribal Impulse To Defend even the Ridiculous... So long as it comes from a noted member of the Political Tribe.


Think of how you enjoyed Trump supporters desperately trying to insist that "Coveffe" was a word. That's how conservatives feel now .

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Basically, she's a mutt just like all the rest of us.



But Trump said that if she got a DNA test he'd donate a million bucks to charity. Her DNA test results show that she might have a 6th to 10th generation native american ancestor...which is enough to win the challenge.

I can trace my father's ancestry back to at least the mid 1600's when our Welch ancestors first stepped foot in N. Carolina. To this day the family still bears the name and considers themselves to be of Welch ancestry.

So why can't Warren do the same with her 6th generation ancestor?

year2late said:

Dude, she was defending herself against the silly attacks from the right.

When she was not taking the test many on the right were saying she has something to hide.

Now that she took the test y'all are singing a different tune.:lamo

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No, she was the one that originally used Native American status in UPenn and Harvard.

And no one is singing a different tune. That she has one ancestor from 6-10 generations ago does not make her Native American. The tune is the same. Those that "attacked" her before are still saying the same thing. She is not Native American.

Moot said:

Basically, she's a mutt just like all the rest of us.

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No. She's white. She just wanted the advantages of that and the advantages of minority status.

But Trump said that if she got a DNA test he'd donate a million bucks to charity. Her DNA test results show that she might have a 6th to 10th generation native american ancestor...which is enough to win the challenge.

I can trace my father's ancestry back to at least the mid 1600's when our Welch ancestors first stepped foot in N. Carolina. To this day the family still bears the name and considers themselves to be of Welch ancestry.

So why can't Warren do the same with her 6th generation ancestor?

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If you are 1/524th Welsh blood, does that make you "Welsh"?

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Moot said:

But Trump said that if she got a DNA test he'd donate a million bucks to charity. Her DNA test results show that she might have a 6th to 10th generation native american ancestor...which is enough to win the challenge.

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A single 6-10th generation ancestor doesn't make one a Native American. I think his words were: "if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian". She took the test and it showed she was White.

TurtleDude said:

it could be worse :mrgreen:

https://babylonbee.com/news/hillary...-results-proving-shes-only-half-lizard-person

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:lamo Hadn't see that one, but what do you expect from a satire site such as babylonbee.com?

Moot said:

Basically, she's a mutt just like all the rest of us.



But Trump said that if she got a DNA test he'd donate a million bucks to charity. Her DNA test results show that she might have a 6th to 10th generation native american ancestor...which is enough to win the challenge.

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Hardly.

Warren is no more Native American than almost anyone else who is Caucasian.

I can trace my father's ancestry back to at least the mid 1600's when our Welch ancestors first stepped foot in N. Carolina. To this day the family still bears the name and considers themselves to be of Welch ancestry.

So why can't Warren do the same with her 6th generation ancestor?

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eohrnberger said:

:lamo Hadn't see that one, but what do you expect from a satire site such as babylonbee.com?

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I guess that means she isn't as good as high quality luggage?

RabidAlpaca said:

Ah conservatives, as usual, totally obsessed with race. Who ****ing cares what combination of races she is? We're all a grab bag of various races genetically and your obsession with pinning down exactly what she is and isn't is unhealthy.

I really do hope your strategy for 2020 is "**** her for having a native American parent, we need a pure bred!" We saw how you attacked, berated and antagonize Obama for daring to be mixed race, going for it again?

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...?

What the hell are you on about now, or is your only purpose on DP is to try and derail any thread that doesn't fit into your narrow world view?

TurtleDude said:

I guess that means she isn't as good as high quality luggage?

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:lamo No, Hillary was never 'good'. Not even as luggage.

Maybe as shark bait? But sharks may recognize one of their own and refuse.

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RabidAlpaca said:

She neither claims to have a native American parent nor be 1/1024th native American.. If you're going to attack her for her race at least get the details right.

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Actually she has said that her dad's parents were against his marriage to her mom because she was Native American.

RabidAlpaca said:

She did it because she naively thought it would take the wind out of the sails of the massive campaign conservatives have started to attack her on her ancestry. I know better, your racial attacks are only warming up.

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Has nothing to do with her racial makeup. Has to do with the claims she has made in order to attempt to take advantage of something that she has no moral right to take advantage of.

Re: Is Elizabeth Warren a "Woman of Color"?

She's a phony.

RabidAlpaca said:

I really do hope your strategy for 2020 is "**** her for having a native American parent, we need a pure bred!" We saw how you attacked, berated and antagonize Obama for daring to be mixed race, going for it again?

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New math?

cpwill said:

Does being 1/512th - 1/1024th minority make one a "Person of Color?

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She is a person of color: shades of pink and tan with a brown spot here and their, plus other odd shades here and there.

Sounds like a hatchet job to me!

Pretty soon the left will be creating new races!

Kal'Stang said:

She's claiming to be Native American. So yes.

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Ah, no. She claimed to have some Native American ancestry.

It's you -- like, I suspect white supremacists would -- who apparently are applying the theme of the "one-percent rule" and inferring that because one claims to have some measure of non-European blood/ancestry, one must therefore also be laying claim to minority status.

Warren got caught lying about her minority status. She’s a Liberal so that sort of thing is just normal ops.

Xelor said:

Ah, no. She claimed to have some Native American ancestry.

It's you -- like, I suspect white supremacists would -- who apparently are applying the theme of the "one-percent rule" and inferring that because one claims to have some measure of non-European blood/ancestry, one must therefore also be laying claim to minority status.

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What is the difference between claiming to be Native American and claiming to be a woman of color? Is there an actual difference? No. There isn't.

cpwill said:

No. She's white. She just wanted the advantages of that and the advantages of minority status.



If you are 1/524th Welsh blood, does that make you "Welsh"?

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But Warren didn't need the minority status because she already had the advantages just by being white....



According to the DNA expert, Warren's DNA was 1/64 native American because her great, great, great grandmother was part Cherokee.




I think as more people get their DNA tested and find they have DNA from several races and ethnicity's that race will become less important. In fact, the US Census should probably just stop asking people what race they are because most almost everyone on the planet has chromosomes from more than one race and/or ethnicity. I think probably the only pure race, if there is such a thing, are Africans whose ancestors never migrated out of Africa.

I don't consider myself Welch...but I believe I have some Welch ancestry...or at least some of their chromosomes.

Xelor said:

Ah, no. She claimed to have some Native American ancestry.

It's you -- like, I suspect white supremacists would -- who apparently are applying the theme of the "one-percent rule" and inferring that because one claims to have some measure of non-European blood/ancestry, one must therefore also be laying claim to minority status.

Kal'Stang said:

What is the difference between claiming to be Native American and claiming to be a woman of color? Is there an actual difference? No. There isn't.

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There isn't any difference; however, as I indicated, Warren didn't claim to be Native American. She claimed to have some Native American ancestry.

What exactly is/was Dr. Warren's declaration re: her Native American (NA) ancestry? AFAIK, she has said "she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother’s side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood."

• Did she assert membership in or that she's a member of a specific NA tribe, namely the Cherokee tribe? No.
• Did she assert merely having NA ancestry? Yes.
• Did she assert she's a woman of color? No.
• Did she assert she's a Native American? No.

Truly, if you don't understand the difference between saying one has some bit of XYZ ancestry/blood and being a member of XYZ ethnic identity group, you and I have nothing further to say on this matter because you want to make Warren's words be and mean something they are not and do not mean.

I have ancestors from a number of extractions, and like Warren, there's tale of at least one of my forebears having been a Native American, but most of my ancestry that's been identified is Dutch, English, Spanish German, Italian and French.

• If a DNA test reveals I have at least one Native American ancestor, my saying I have Native American ancestry/blood is an accurate statement and has nothing to do with whether I am today a white guy or a Native American.
• Does my having the mix of ancestors I do make me Dutch or French, etc? No. It no more makes me be those things than would my indeed having a Native American ancestor make me be Native American.

I see no reason why I should be derided for telling folks there's lore of Native American ancestors in our family if that is indeed the stories I've been told.

Similarly, there are some folks of color in the U.S. who are descended from my European ancestors and who can accurately assert that they have European blood/ancestry, yet they are nor claiming to being Europeans or anything other than Americans -- ethnically, culturally and politically. That too is all I claim to be.



I find ridiculous the "debate" about Warren's assertion and discovery that she has Native American ancestors. The woman isn't claiming to be a Native American, she's merely claiming to have some Native American blood in her, and the DNA test has shown that she does. In contrast, there are plenty of well known folks (some perhaps, in certain quarters, more well known than Sen. Warren, if Twitter followers is any indication) who openly share the nature and extent of the multiraciality, yet there's no national outcry or debate about their having done so.

Peter Wentz -- Maternal grandparents are non-white Jamaican.




Jennifer Beals -- Black and Irish




Carol Channing -- Black and European ancestry




Wentworth Miller -- Black and European ancestry




Gabrielle Reese -- Black Trinidadian and European ancestry

eohrnberger said:

Hardly.

Elizabeth Warren may be less Native American than average U.S. ...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/.../warren-may-be-less-native-american-average/
1 day ago - Elizabeth Warren may be less Native American than average U.S. white ... Question of the Day. Help her. Hurt her. Not sure. View results ... and Christine Blasey Ford, his accuser, on Capitol Hill ... more > ... Ms. Warren's results show she has anywhere from 0.09 percent to 1.5 percent. .... And nothing else!

Elizabeth Warren Has Statistically Less Native American Blood Than ...
https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/15/elizabeth-warren-less-native-american-dna/
1 day ago - In general, the numbers seem to agree with what one would expect given the history ... Are You More Native American Than Elizabeth Warren?
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Warren is no more Native American than almost anyone else who is Caucasian.

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Sorry, both of your sources are too partisan and biased to be objective.

Xelor said:

There isn't any difference; however, as I indicated, Warren didn't claim to be Native American. She claimed to have some Native American ancestry.

What exactly is/was Dr. Warren's declaration re: her Native American (NA) ancestry? AFAIK, she has said "she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother’s side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood."

• Did she assert membership in or that she's a member of a specific NA tribe, namely the Cherokee tribe? No.
• Did she assert merely having NA ancestry? Yes.
• Did she assert she's a woman of color? No.
• Did she assert she's a Native American? No.

Truly, if you don't understand the difference between saying one has some bit of XYZ ancestry/blood and being a member of XYZ ethnic identity group, you and I have nothing further to say on this matter because you want to make Warren's words be and mean something they are not and do not mean.

I have ancestors from a number of extractions, and like Warren, there's tale of at least one of my forebears having been a Native American, but most of my ancestry that's been identified is Dutch, English, Spanish German, Italian and French.

• If a DNA test reveals I have at least one Native American ancestor, my saying I have Native American ancestry/blood is an accurate statement and has nothing to do with whether I am today a white guy or a Native American.
• Does my having the mix of ancestors I do make me Dutch or French, etc? No. It no more makes me be those things than would my indeed having a Native American ancestor make me be Native American.

I see no reason why I should be derided for telling folks there's lore of Native American ancestors in our family if that is indeed the stories I've been told.

Similarly, there are some folks of color in the U.S. who are descended from my European ancestors and who can accurately assert that they have European blood/ancestry, yet they are nor claiming to being Europeans or anything other than Americans -- ethnically, culturally and politically. That too is all I claim to be.



I find ridiculous the "debate" about Warren's assertion and discovery that she has Native American ancestors. The woman isn't claiming to be a Native American, she's merely claiming to have some Native American blood in her, and the DNA test has shown that she does. In contrast, there are plenty of well known folks (some perhaps, in certain quarters, more well known than Sen. Warren, if Twitter followers is any indication) who openly share the nature and extent of the multiraciality, yet there's no national outcry or debate about their having done so.

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Yes, she is claiming to be Native American. She listed herself as Native American in the AALS. That is a claim to being Native American. It is not simply an "I have Native American ancestry" statement. But an actual claim to being Native American. She did it in an attempt to get special consideration. She would of course deny such as doing such a thing is considered taboo. There is no other valid explanation for listing herself as such. Oh, she CLAIMS that she did it in order to get in touch other other people of similar ancestry but when she was reached out to by various tribal groups she never met with them. Always declining to meet with them. That alone shows that her excuse of "wanting to meet people with similar ancestry" was BS. Which, when considering this, leaves the very obvious reason that she listed herself as Native American...to lay claim to a minority status in order to make an attempt to get special consideration.